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quiet resently it came to my attention that the world at large is making more and faster advances in the field of spacetravel deep space researce and robotica i therefore propose to instate a law to protect alien and extra-terran lifeforms meaning any lifeform sentient or otherwise not originating from earth past present or future to do this in the best interest of all nations religions trading ventures i have made a few simple but significant rules

1. there will be no permanent city's colony's mines farms or outposts with exception of small environmently friendly research stations
2. all menmade objects not from the alien planet at large shoot be torelly cleant and sanitize so not to introduce a
earthborn virus pathogen fungi or otherwise into the alien ecosystem
3. all terran scientist probes or otherwise shoot minimise contact with the local enviroment or any alien civilization present in the past present and future
4. all U.N. member are responsible for the potection of the alien planet at large by means of donating time resources money and military sevices
5. there will be now battles skirmishes or personel vendettas being fought out unless it is to protect the alien planet at large
6.shoot there be an alien civilization present first
contact shoot not be made unless the civilization is advanced and peacefull enough and the aliens culture language customs and norms and values are studied intensly

i hope these few simple rules help to bring peace and order to the rest of the vers

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That sounds interesting. I think this is good for nations whose level of civilization is technologically advanced.

OOC: Some of your english seems incorrect, but I can still make sense of the info.

quiet resently it came to my attention that the world at large is making more and faster advances in the field of spacetravel deep space researce and robotica i therefore propose to instate a law to protect alien and extra-terran lifeforms meaning any lifeform sentient or otherwise not originating from earth past present or future to do this in the best interest of all nations religions trading ventures i have made a few simple but significant rules

1. there will be no permanent city's colony's mines farms or outposts with exception of small environmently friendly research stations
2. all menmade objects not from the alien planet at large shoot be torelly cleant and sanitize so not to introduce a
earthborn virus pathogen fungi or otherwise into the alien ecosystem
3. all terran scientist probes or otherwise shoot minimise contact with the local enviroment or any alien civilization present in the past present and future
4. all U.N. member are responsible for the potection of the alien planet at large by means of donating time resources money and military sevices
5. there will be now battles skirmishes or personel vendettas being fought out unless it is to protect the alien planet at large
6.shoot there be an alien civilization present first
contact shoot not be made unless the civilization is advanced and peacefull enough and the aliens culture language customs and norms and values are studied intensly

i hope these few simple rules help to bring peace and order to the rest of the vers

visit the U.N. to vote now

First, I will translate this into proper english.


Quite recently, it came to my attention that the world at large is making more and faster advances in the fields of space travel, deep space research, and robotica. I therefore propose to instate a law to protect alien and extra-terrestrial life-forms (meaning any lifeform sentient or otherwise not originating from earth past, present, or future). In the best interest of all nations, religions, and trading ventures, I have made a few simple but significant rules:

1. There will be no permanent cities, colonies, mines, farms, or outposts with exception of small environmently friendly research stations.
2. All manmade objects, not from the alien planet at large, should be totally clean and sanitized so as not to introduce an alien virus, pathogen, fungus, or otherwise into the extra-terrestrial's ecosystem.
3. All Terran scientists, probes, or otherwise should minimize contact with the local enviroment, or any extra-terrestrial civilization past, present, or future.
4. All U.N. members are responsible for the protection of the alien planet at large by means of donating time, resources, money, and military sevices.
5. There will be no battles, skirmishes, or personel vendettas fought out unless it is to protect the alien planet at large.
6.Should there be an extra-terrestrial civilization present, first contact should not be made unless the civilization is advanced and peacefull enough, and the aliens culture, language, customs, and values are studied intensly.

I hope these few simple rules help to bring peace and order to the rest of the universe.


I do however have two problems this resolution fails to take into account... Being a spacefaring nation already...

4. All U.N. members are responsible for the protection of the alien planet at large by means of donating time, resources, money, and military sevices.

Why? And would this not be in violation of interfering with the extra-terrestrial's culture? Why should we donate military services to them, unless they have a mutual defense pact with us?

5. There will be no battles, skirmishes, or personel vendettas fought out unless it is to protect the alien planet at large.

This fails to factor the possibility of aliens starting war with us or others...

Also, wouldn't it make more sense to replace this with a resolution that forbids interfering with the development of non-spacefaring extra-terrestrial civilizations found? Sic. No form of interferance what-so-ever... No planet bound research, no direct contact?

quiet resently it came to my attention that the world at large is making more and faster advances in the field of spacetravel deep space researce and robotica i therefore propose to instate a law to protect alien and extra-terran lifeforms meaning any lifeform sentient or otherwise not originating from earth past present or future to do this in the best interest of all nations religions trading ventures i have made a few simple but significant rules

Okay, a couple of comments:
1. Punctuation is your friend. Use it. If you are not a native English speaker, please indicate such.
2. This proposal happens to include my entire nation and at least two others under its scope. My people do not originate from Earth. You need to consider that with this proposal.

1. there will be no permanent city's colony's mines farms or outposts with exception of small environmently friendly research stations

I must oppose this. My nation was originally a colony of a different nation before that nation fell and my nation relies on expansion into other worlds in order to survive, as our own does not hold enough inhabitable land to allow for large nations. Also, many Earth nations are either already relying or will soon be relying on expanding into space to relieve overburdening population problems. This is not a practical solution.

2. all menmade objects not from the alien planet at large shoot be torelly cleant and sanitize so not to introduce a
earthborn virus pathogen fungi or otherwise into the alien ecosystem

This is a standard operating procedure for many nations, but in some cases (terraforming) that is done intentionally to make a planet otherwise useless to be inhabitable. That is also something that must be considered.

3. all terran scientist probes or otherwise shoot minimise contact with the local enviroment or any alien civilization present in the past present and future

I advise against this. Scientists should actively seek to contact other species and other civilizations. Science is one of the few things most civilizations share and is a language my scientists and those from Earth can both speak and understand. 2+2=4 whether on my planet, in high orbit over the colony-world of Terrator, or on Earth. It is through scientists that cultures can gain understanding and help create diplomatic ties, as it requires scientists to decipher the languages (just like it took my scientists a short time to decipher English). Otherwise, you have misunderstandings and intergalactic wars that should never happen.

4. all U.N. member are responsible for the potection of the alien planet at large by means of donating time resources money and military sevices

Actually, this is a bad idea. Donating military sources goes against the voting record of the UN and may be illegal. Plus, not all UN nations can afford to devote their resources to this project.

5. there will be now battles skirmishes or personel vendettas being fought out unless it is to protect the alien planet at large

Which won't help when ships of some militaristic dictatorship decide to come into orbit and bomb your natiion into pieces. You might want a self-defense clause in this, otherwise you make it illegal for UN nations to defend themselves.

6.shoot there be an alien civilization present first
contact shoot not be made unless the civilization is advanced and peacefull enough and the aliens culture language customs and norms and values are studied intensly

Problem: No alien civilization is truly peaceful. All probably have the need of a military force and have had to use that force at one time. Plus, this contradicts #3.

i hope these few simple rules help to bring peace and order to the rest of the vers

visit the U.N. to vote now

It won't. It'll just make it easier for nations such as a certain one I know to attack a nation, then try to get them kicked out of the UN for violating the rules. It needs a serious rewrite, and several clauses dropped, to be viable.

We, the delegates of the BSR, regard such a resolution absurd and a waste of the UN's time. The mathematical odds for a planet to be able to sustain life are astronomical, not to mention the added variables of higher life-forms and advanced civilizations. For all we know there aren't any aliens at all, or at least none that are technologically advanced.

I believe we should first concentrate on proving the existance of aliens, and then enacting appropriate UN resolutions regarding such (assuming we find any aliens).

~Incomming Electronic Transmission to Sanity and Reason~
To: Sanity and Reason
From: DemonLordEnigma
Origin of message: Unknown Location (not anywhere on Earth)

Message:

Your wish is granted. If you want, I can show you the world my nation is based on, which was terraformed to be inhabitable, or the planet I found that I am currently colonizing that is also inhabitable. I can also show the delegates you send along several alien species, both sentient and not, and introduce you to a few very advanced civilizations that call space home.
-Ministress Octa
~End transmission~

OOC: The point to the above? There are some NS nations that are based in space, and some that are not even native to Earth at all. And, yes, some of them are members of the UN despite not being on Earth or even in the same solar system in some cases. This does affect those in the UN, and not in a good way.

Also, wouldn't it make more sense to replace this with a resolution that forbids interfering with the development of non-spacefaring extra-terrestrial civilizations found? Sic. No form of interferance what-so-ever... No planet bound research, no direct contact?
Or, to put it in "Star Trek" terms, a "Prime Directive."

On to the matters at hand, The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites cannot support this proposal as it makes no allowances for the encountering of a hostile alien race.

best nation you where right concerning this law iwill make adjustments based on the Prime Directive concerning not only alien civilizations but alien life in general

From the GEDRA (Galactic Exploration, Defense, and Research Alliance) Treaty, Article 7....

No member world/system will interfere with the development or advancement of any culture that has not attained interstellar travel.

I do not see any reason why an advanced extra-terrestrial civilization, space-faring... should be treated any differently than humans... Non-advanced, non-spacefaring civilizations, on the other hand, should be placed under strict non-interferance rules (which includes any form of direct, or planet-bound research on the race)... These rules apply to any civilization/culture, human or otherwise...

It makes some good points, but what if the alien beings want to make significant cultural interplay with us and exchange goods, land, etc.? It seems it would go against the principles of free trade to bar citizens from my country going to work or study or build businesses on their planet or vice-versa.

after a bit of googeling i found this explanation what the prime directive might mean

As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal
cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Star Fleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely. Star Fleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral
obligation.

everyone understand this law is ment to protect alien LIFE and ECOSYSTEMS
from CONTAMINATION and FREE TRADE

everyone understand this law is ment to protect alien LIFE and ECOSYSTEMS
from CONTAMINATION and FREE TRADE

Why do they need protecting from free trade?

They need protection from free trade, to prevent the blantant interference in their normal and natural course of development. They should also be protected from direct research... Which this proposal fails to take into account... I'm sorry, Heidenburg's principle stands... No direct research, as that too can alter their natural course of development.

trade and busniss should be monitored by a strong and wise goverment not by individuals

after a bit of googeling i found this explanation what the prime directive might mean

As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal
cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Star Fleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely. Star Fleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral
obligation.

If you want, I can show you the world my nation is based on, which was terraformed to be inhabitable, or the planet I found that I am currently colonizing that is also inhabitable. I can also show the delegates you send along several alien species, both sentient and not, and introduce you to a few very advanced civilizations that call space home.

Your point is taken. The delegates of BSR withdraw our previous statement and apologize for our lack of knowledge. We now support this proposal.

I'm sorry, I do not even believe the NSUN has the right or authority to interfere with an extra-terrestrial civilizations development... GEDRA is implimenting the PPT (Protected Planets Treaty)... Those non-advanced civilizations protected under this treaty are to be considered off-limits by all personnel, and all parties, including the UN... Any attempt to land on, or enter the system of any civilization protected under this treaty, whether sanctioned by the NSUN or not, will be met with ultimate force by the Primary Reaction Force, of the combined membership of GEDRA...

Guys, what about the fact this effectively bans all UN nations from trading or having any form of contact with my nation or any other space-based nation? This is the UN regulating trade and forcing embargos on certain nations without some of those nations even having a say in it.

Perhaps Hollandia could add that any alien nation that wishes to engage in open trade could do so, as long as they do not interfere with other aliens that are protected in this proposal.

A more prudent course of proposal, I suggest, would be to try and find an acceptable way to include all forms of life - whether robotic, alien, amphibian, etc. - in a protection clause to be included in all future proposals and resolutions.

I think we should also be careful about what we class as life exactly. The methods we use to determine whether something is classed as alive eg. respiration etc. may not necesarilly be the same on any other planets where life has evolved.

I think we should also be careful about what we class as life exactly. The methods we use to determine whether something is classed as alive eg. respiration etc. may not necesarilly be the same on any other planets where life has evolved.

I definitely agree with Kailel's statement. Defining "life" and "lifeforms" might be trickier than anything.

let me explain the law abit further



Quite recently, it came to my attention that the world at large is making more and faster advances in the fields of space travel, deep space research, and robotica. I therefore propose to instate a law to protect alien and extra-terrestrial life-forms (meaning any lifeform sentient or otherwise not originating from earth past, present, or future). In the best interest of all nations, religions, and trading ventures, I have made a few simple but significant rules:

1. There will be no permanent cities, colonies, mines, farms, or outposts with exception of small environmently friendly research stations.
(there can still be trading in outerspace )
2. All manmade objects, not from the alien planet at large, should be totally clean and sanitized so as not to introduce an alien virus, pathogen, fungus, or otherwise into the extra-terrestrial's ecosystem.
(you can visit the planet and a alien civilization seeing you where a spacesuit and dont plan to live their)
3. All Terran scientists, probes, or otherwise should minimize contact with the local enviroment, or any extra-terrestrial civilization past, present, or future.
9im talking about primitive societies and contamination of the local enviroment)
4. All U.N. members are responsible for the protection of the alien planet at large by means of donating time, resources, money, and military sevices.
( ive a evil dead ship is heading to a pre-warp societie its our right to protect it)
5. There will be no battles, skirmishes, or personel vendettas fought out unless it is to protect the alien planet at large.
( number 4 explains that)
6.Should there be an extra-terrestrial civilization present, first contact should not be made unless the civilization is advanced and peacefull enough, and the aliens culture, language, customs, and values are studied intensly.
( thats only logical when it is advanced enough their can be more interaction)

I hope these few simple rules help to bring peace and order to the rest of the universe

(remember this law is about protecting alien planets from terran lifeforms freetrade and any agresive entity

Despite the well-known xenophobia of the Drow nations, I hope this point will be regarded as still valid.

There is much mention of protection of alien nations against any cultural changes we would cause to them, but there is no mention of protection of us against cultural changes they would cause to us.
It's a well-known fact that the act of observing changes both the observed and the observer. Any changes would be two-way

Also, there is mention of protecting alien nations and planets from any military threat from Earth. However, very little mention of protection of Earth against military threats from other planets.

4. All U.N. members are responsible for the protection of the alien planet at large by means of donating time, resources, money, and military sevices.
( ive a evil dead ship is heading to a pre-warp societie its our right to protect it)

Indeed, we have the right to interfere. However, we do not have the obligation. I will not sacrifice the people of my nation out among the stars for a war that does not affect me or any of the states in my region.

2. All manmade objects, not from the alien planet at large, should be totally clean and sanitized so as not to introduce an alien virus, pathogen, fungus, or otherwise into the extra-terrestrial's ecosystem.
(you can visit the planet and a alien civilization seeing you where a spacesuit and dont plan to live their)
And what about an alien flu? In the morning, you have a rash. In the afternoon, your legs explode, or you dehydrate to death. An alien pathogen could lead to equally disastrous effect on the population of a Terran race


6.Should there be an extra-terrestrial civilization present, first contact should not be made unless the civilization is advanced and peacefull enough, and the aliens culture, language, customs, and values are studied intensly.
( thats only logical when it is advanced enough their can be more interaction)
Spider Queen Lolth is NOT a peaceful nation. Every Drow above the age of 17 is expected to wield sword, bow or firearm in defence of our nation. Would you define us as not peaceful enough to be contacted by any other nation within the UN?


Also, bear in mind this resolution would only bind UN members. If you were to add a clause stating the UNs duty to defend alien planets and nations against 'unacceptable' intrusion by non-UN nations. But then a reasonable definition of unacceptable would have to be put forward.

people i give up the lawis ment to protect the alien planet protecting yourself from an alien menace is something completly different and besides how are you going to get alien flue when there are safty measures against terran based flues

I understand the point of the resolution, but I see inter-cultral interaction as not being harmful, but as being good and benficial to all involved. If we're talking one nation going in and killing and taking over the government, thats one thing. But if we're talking about building permanant outposts and banding together with each other and mixing our species, that has historically shown to be of enormous benefit.

I posted a new version of this, since it was abandonned by the originator. Check it.

i will

keeping the tread alive

life thread

Hollandia mayor, if no one is responding to this thread, it's not a "life thread" and there is probably a reason. There is really no need to bump proposal topics in the UN. If people want to respond, they will.

keeping it alive