NationStates Jolt Archive

When are you people gonna realize no matter how many times you propose this, the repeal will never make it to the UN floor for vote?

How do you know that a repeal for this proposal won't ever make it on the the floor, can you predict the future or something? (And if you can, can I get next week's lottery numbers? ;))

Seeing as people have been trying to reverse that decision since its be enacted and they have failed everytime, its pointless to keep proposing it, especially when there is already another proposal in place. Its getting kinda old seeing more then one of these at the same time.

And as for the lottery, i suggest you pawn everything you own and use all your money buying lottery tickets. ;)

I can't imagine why anyone would want to legalise it in the first place.

This is the most assinine thing I've every heard of. This is something that every nation should decide for itself.

And why something so petty would even be brought to the floor is a mystery to me.

This is the most assinine thing I've every heard of. This is something that every nation should decide for itself.

And why something so petty would even be brought to the floor is a mystery to me.

Exactly. Everything *you* disagree with is a matter of national sovereignity, and should be decided by individual countries.
And if you approve of it, it's good UN matter.

Exactly. Everything *you* disagree with is a matter of national sovereignity, and should be decided by individual countries.
And if you approve of it, it's good UN matter.
No, I define "good UN matter" as proposals that deal with things that as international in nature, and legalizing prostitution is not one of them.

Unfortunately, it was made a UN matter, and has been made such.

And this illustrates my point.

If you chose to legalize prostitution in your country, it would have no direct effect on the "goings on" of another country. But by legalizing it world wide, you would have a direct effect on another country that does not share your point of view.

That is why the UN is for international issues.

The sociological "structural-fuctional" paradigm can help us appreciate how prostitutions latent functions actually benefit society. Prostitution is one way for the vast amount of people who do not have ready access to sex, such as soldiers, anti-socials, travelers, etc. to actually have an opportunity to channel that sexual energy. Moreover, it prevents a lot of potential sex offenses. To repeal prostitution would be detrimental.

No, I define "good UN matter" as proposals that deal with things that as international in nature, and legalizing prostitution is not one of them.

Except that sometimes prostitutes go from one country to another to get work (if they are a "fine upstanding and morally decent" nation then they might not get anywork).

And also it means if it is legal everywhere the rights of protitutes are better protected - they can't be taken to another nation where it is not a protected profession and be made to work in sucky (if you will pardon the choice of word) conditions.

If the UN can rule that no children can work, why can't it rule that men/women can do whatever they want for a job?

For one simple reason: moral consideration.

Morality must be considered at all times; it is important to think of what sort of an environment our children will be growing up in - if it is wrong, or harmful in any way, it should, ideally, be made illegal. And after all, aren't we all desiring the ideal principals?

Also, consider the rapid and uncontained spread of disease that would undoubtedly result from such an insane UN act. The very idea of this proposal reaching the floor is an intolerable outrage!

Of course prostitution, being what it is, is looked down upon, as it should be. There is another consideration, however - income. How many prostitutes are going to report their income? Let us simply make it illegal, and then we can deal with the effects (none but good).

This has nothing to do with morals.

Once again, this is not for us to decide. Each individual nation should have the right to determine whether or not this practice is legal within its own borders.

For one simple reason: moral consideration.


Who's morals?

Morality must be considered at all times; it is important to think of what sort of an environment our children will be growing up in - if it is wrong, or harmful in any way, it should, ideally, be made illegal. And after all, aren't we all desiring the ideal principals?


Why most morality be considered? And who's morality?

And if children are growing up and being taught that they have a choice about their future, and that everyone is considered equal, regardless of what they do for a living, don't you think that that will help make them better people? Where as if they are taught, from the earliest age, to look down on people and consider them as "lesser beings" it will only foster elitism and discrimination.


Also, consider the rapid and uncontained spread of disease that would undoubtedly result from such an insane UN act. The very idea of this proposal reaching the floor is an intolerable outrage!


Ok - now I am just confused. Are you in support of the repeal, or the original resolution? Cause so far you have argued on both sides and it's getting harder and harder to keep up :}


Of course prostitution, being what it is, is looked down upon, as it should be.


Why? Why should it be looked down on? Give me one answer that has nothing to do with morals, ethics or legallity. Just one simple answer as to why it should be looked down on.


There is another consideration, however - income. How many prostitutes are going to report their income? Let us simply make it illegal, and then we can deal with the effects (none but good).

Yeah, cause that has helped so well with lots of other things. (OOC - prohibition anyone?)

This has nothing to do with morals.

Once again, this is not for us to decide. Each individual nation should have the right to determine whether or not this practice is legal within its own borders.

But as I pointed out this is an international issue.

But as I pointed out this is an international issue.
But it shouldn't be, whether or not my nation allows prostitution does not directly affect your nation, does it?

But it shouldn't be, whether or not my nation allows prostitution does not directly affect your nation, does it?

I am really not up on my geography of the NS world, but just say your nation borders on mine.

Prositution is now banned in your nation. So a lot of the people who were doing it decide to come and live in my nation so they can keep doing it. Or they stay on the border of your nation, but come over to mine to do their job, then go back when they are done.

Due to a lack of prostitutes in your nation (the ones that are't coming over the border) some of the organizers of former brothals decide to either hire or co-erce some of my people in to breaking the law. They are kidnapped and held in your nation, until such time as they die, they escape or your police force frees them.

And all the people in your nation who used to visit houses of ill repute can't, so they come to mine instead, making life ever so much more difficult for the border patrols etc.

So yeah - I would say that banning it in one nation has an affect on another.

And I did :-


Except that sometimes prostitutes go from one country to another to get work (if they are a "fine upstanding and morally decent" nation then they might not get anywork).

And also it means if it is legal everywhere the rights of protitutes are better protected - they can't be taken to another nation where it is not a protected profession and be made to work in sucky (if you will pardon the choice of word) conditions.

I just checked the proposals and there are already 6 repeals for this matter. There is no need to post it more then one at a time, especially since each one has fewer votes then the one before it. If you're going to keep at this, then atleast have the decency to let the original proposal expire before posting again instead of spamming the proposal section.

If you're going to keep at this, then atleast have the decency to let the original proposal expire before posting again instead of spamming the proposal section.
While I agree with you in principle, no single author is or has been responsible for "spamming the list" with multiple repeal proposals. There have been some annoying nations who proposed repeals for 5 or 10 at a time, but they generally aren't repeating themselves on the same proposal. If they are, bring it to Getting Help and let the mods warn them about spamming.

If you're just annoyed by the preponderance of dumbass repeals like the rest of us, vent away. Just don't look for an individual target.

Mass amounts of people traveling over borders for the sole act of finding a prostitute is not realistic in the least. And wanting to legalize prostitution to alleviate the pressure on your border patrols is really reaching.

Do you realize how this will totally subvert cultures and governments?

Do you realize how this will totally subvert cultures and governments?

No - please explain.

In Villiapange we have legalized prostitution districts in all of our major cities such as Storyville (New Orleans), Red Way (Esplanade), Venus Alley (Atlanta), and Tremé (Savannah). These "districts" were set up to limit prostitution to one area of town where it could be watched and regulated by authorities. In the late 1890s the Villiapange government studied the legalized red light districts of northern German and Dutch ports and set up the "districts" based on such models. Since then rape crimes have been non-existent because the establishments in the “districts” range from cheap "cribs," rooms furnished with little more than a mattress where low-priced prostitutes turned tricks service people, through more expensive prostitutes in elegant mansions along the city’s river for well-heeled customers. These "districts" are now major attractions for many tourist.