NationStates Jolt Archive

Hello, I'd like help getting endorsed so I can make two separate UN proposals. (This is just tossing the idea around, I have not written it up properly).

The first proposal is the the Region of "New York City" in Nationstates be walled off and turned into a massive maximum security prison; indeed, the maximum security prison in Nationstates, as the supermax prisons of all other nations can be dumped there. This way, no other countries will ever have to support their own maximum security prisons again, and it will greatly increase the revenue of all nations (making capitalists happy) and it is also a conveniant way of disposing of policial prisoners (making more hardline-governments happy). [New York City is a real 2-nation region; essentially, with this resolution passed crime would go down, economy would go up, but freedom would go down].

My second proposal that I need endorsement for is for the United Nations to divert funds for the creation of a Foundation, which will preserve all nationstates scientific knowledge; hopefully to survive any periods of nationstates instability and worldwars, or at least drastically shortening the post-war recovery period.

The current Alliances and powerblocs will one day tear nationstates apart; this will lead to a period of general anarchy. If the United Nations diverts funding the establishment of an independent Foundation, to preserve all Scientific knowledge, this can be averted. This Foundation must be created in a very isolated Region, which (when created) will be named "Terminus" for its extreme isolation. The Foundation will be the only nation allowed to exist in the Terminus Region. However to remain politically aloof for the time being it will not be allowed a UN Delegate (one nation having a UN Delagate would be disproportionate power). It would be required to cease to exist if it ever left the UN, however if the UN ceased to exist first it would continue to exist after the UN's dissolution. The Foundation, although without a delegate, would be able to act as an observer in the UN, and to make UN proposals.

[Essentially, a UN-created semi-autonomous nation/region answerable only to the UN Assembly, (someone would be assigned to start this new nation basically) probably tasked with encycopedia duties, that within the story will be technologically very advanced. Will cause taxation,etc. to support, but morale will go up, as the common people think it's protecting their future; I mean it's only a matter of time before Meritocracy Senate makes its move on the UN, or the ADN and PRP tear each other apart; or the ADN itself fractures after the declaration of martial law and member states try to split from Nasicournia].

Thank you,

the First Citizen of the Cartesian Alliance.

Hello, I'd like help getting endorsed so I can make two separate UN proposals. (This is just tossing the idea around, I have not written it up properly).

The first proposal is the the Region of "New York City" in Nationstates be walled off and turned into a massive maximum security prison; indeed, the maximum security prison in Nationstates, as the supermax prisons of all other nations can be dumped there. This way, no other countries will ever have to support their own maximum security prisons again, and it will greatly increase the revenue of all nations (making capitalists happy) and it is also a conveniant way of disposing of policial prisoners (making more hardline-governments happy). [New York City is a real 2-nation region; essentially, with this resolution passed crime would go down, economy would go up, but freedom would go down].


No. I am not sending my prisoners anywhere else, and governments should be forced to support their own political prisoners, so that hopefully they will stop taking them in the future.


My second proposal that I need endorsement for is for the United Nations to divert funds for the creation of a Foundation, which will preserve all nationstates scientific knowledge; hopefully to survive any periods of nationstates instability and worldwars, or at least drastically shortening the post-war recovery period.

The current Alliances and powerblocs will one day tear nationstates apart; this will lead to a period of general anarchy. If the United Nations diverts funding the establishment of an independent Foundation, to preserve all Scientific knowledge, this can be averted. This Foundation must be created in a very isolated Region, which (when created) will be named "Terminus" for its extreme isolation. The Foundation will be the only nation allowed to exist in the Terminus Region. However to remain politically aloof for the time being it will not be allowed a UN Delegate (one nation having a UN Delagate would be disproportionate power). It would be required to cease to exist if it ever left the UN, however if the UN ceased to exist first it would continue to exist after the UN's dissolution. The Foundation, although without a delegate, would be able to act as an observer in the UN, and to make UN proposals.

[Essentially, a UN-created semi-autonomous nation/region answerable only to the UN Assembly, (someone would be assigned to start this new nation basically) probably tasked with encycopedia duties, that within the story will be technologically very advanced. Will cause taxation,etc. to support, but morale will go up, as the common people think it's protecting their future; I mean it's only a matter of time before Meritocracy Senate makes its move on the UN, or the ADN and PRP tear each other apart; or the ADN itself fractures after the declaration of martial law and member states try to split from Nasicournia].

Thank you,

the First Citizen of the Cartesian Alliance.

How would it possibly support ALL knowledge? Unless I actively supply the knowledge I have to it? Which I might not want to do cause I might want to keep it to myself for various reasons.

(Also (ooc) I think you are straying in to game-rule manipulatation, which I believe is forbidden by the rules of the UN as it stands).

technically this could go as little as just words on paper or at most someone could actually make a new country called the Foundation.

As for possibility of making a compendium of all scientific knowledge, 100,000+ researchers from all fields (plus families and support staff, roughly 1 million all told) would be gathered for this task. Obtaining the knowledge is not what is difficult; what is difficult is turning it all into one comprehensive, codified reference.

Further, no national security or state secrets would be breached; the knowledge would not include that of black projects, but of more essentialy knowledge to civilization; i.e. how to build a hyrdoelecric dam, a fusion power plant, cancer cure, advanced nucleics: things that are common enough now (gameverse) that all developed nations have them at a fairly common rate, and would not really require continual addition of more knowledge.

The Foundation would at its inception would have its local economy established to the point that it can survive and require no outside assistance, but it wouldn't really be an economic power of any kind. Indeed it would be situated in a habitable region poor in precious metals, etc. All the raw knowledge would also be dumped there at its inception, to be incorporated (in due course of time) into the Encyclopedia. After its establishment the Foundation would need little new contact with the outside world; no new knowledge would have to be actively supplied.

Hello, I'd like help getting endorsed so I can make two separate UN proposals.Well,

1) If you mean you yourself want to be endorsed, you can only be endorsed by U.N. members in the region you inhabit. You need at least two endorsements to submit a proposal.

2) If you mean your proposals, then of course, your specifically looking at targeting delegates.

The first proposal is the the Region of "New York City" in Nationstates be walled off and turned into a massive maximum security prison; indeed, the maximum security prison in Nationstates, as the supermax prisons of all other nations can be dumped there.Sorry, this can't be done, proposals may not target specific regions. Also since its looking at effecting all nations, this is also not allowed, as a proposal may only directly effect member nations.This way, no other countries will ever have to support their own maximum security prisons again,Oh, I think this would also make it a game mechanics, thus invalid, proposal.and it will greatly increase the revenue of all nations (making capitalists happy) and it is also a conveniant way of disposing of policial prisoners (making more hardline-governments happy).Heee, nice idea in a way, $_$ ... ;)[New York City is a real 2-nation region; essentially, with this resolution passed crime would go down, economy would go up, but freedom would go down].Sadly though, as I said the U.N. cannot target specific regions/nations/people.My second proposal that I need endorsement for is for the United Nations to divert funds for the creation of a Foundation, which will preserve all nationstates scientific knowledge; hopefully to survive any periods of nationstates instability and worldwars, or at least drastically shortening the post-war recovery period.So far ... this could be interesting.The current Alliances and powerblocs will one day tear nationstates apart;Heee, ADN ... NPO ... just a sample of acronyms tossed about, usually hand in hand with certain four letter words ... ;)this will lead to a period of general anarchy.Which willl no doubt be a major pain ... :DIf the United Nations diverts funding the establishment of an independent Foundation, to preserve all Scientific knowledge, this can be averted.Good so far ...This Foundation must be created in a very isolated Region, which (when created) will be named "Terminus" for its extreme isolation.Once again, not allowed by the rules.The Foundation will be the only nation allowed to exist in the Terminus Region. However to remain politically aloof for the time being it will not be allowed a UN Delegate (one nation having a UN Delagate would be disproportionate power).Actually, to be delegate you need to be having 2 nations at least in a region, both of them in the U.N. and one endorsing the other.It would be required to cease to exist if it ever left the UN, however if the UN ceased to exist first it would continue to exist after the UN's dissolution.Actually, the N.S. U.N. will not cease to exist as we know it any time soon, you may want to read the threads stickied in this forum as well as the U.N. F.A.Q. ... ;)The Foundation, although without a delegate, would be able to act as an observer in the UN, and to make UN proposals.Even if this were legal ... one wonders, who control the nation account ? [Essentially, a UN-created semi-autonomous nation/region answerable only to the UN Assembly, (someone would be assigned to start this new nation basically)I'd explain my concerns if this idea was preformable but unfortueately I think it is not. Its also ... 12:30 AM sooo ... Hmmm, no sleep emoticon ... " zzz " + ;) probably tasked with encycopedia duties, that within the story will be technologically very advanced. Will cause taxation,etc. to support, but morale will go up, as the common people think it's protecting their future; I mean it's only a matter of time before Meritocracy Senate makes its move on the UN, or the ADN and PRP tear each other apart; or the ADN itself fractures after the declaration of martial law and member states try to split from Nasicournia]. Holy-crap, as your either a very well versed R.P. 'er or a defender, :eek: sad to say we don't get to many of your kind around here, :) :eek: Thank you,

the First Citizen of the Cartesian Alliance.[/QUOTE]And our thanks I'm sure, but currently I don't think the game rules or programming support your ideas, sadly.

* I hope that made sleep, my " textual coherancy usually - as awake time + " :D

As most ways we are agreeing with our founder; these proposals are illegal.

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

Neither of these proposals is worth the UN's consideration, and would be immediately deleted once seen by a moderator. I reccommend you not submit them.

Neither of these proposals is worth the UN's consideration, and would be immediately deleted once seen by a moderator. I reccommend you not submit them.
Correct.