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Having noted the efforts of Jenniver here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366498), the government of the supremely democratic states of Hirota wishes to submit it's own effort to repeal the resolution for the consideration of the UN.

Hirota is concerned that whilst this resolution makes prostitution legal, thus reducing the legal consequences to the victim, it makes no effort to target the forces responsible for prostitution. The DSH is wholly determined to stamp out the exploitation of women, and make amends for the failures of the previous resolution.

The previous resolution made no efforts to encourage the rehabilitation of the victims, made no effort to ensure appropiate medical care was given. The United Nations failed when they seeked to protect women - instead the resolution made it easier for the exploitation to occur.

The DSH has drawn up a potential proposal concerning prostitution and the exploitation within the sex industry, a proposal which seeks to redress these glaring oversights. A proposal which seeks to punish the perpetrators of sexual exploitation, a proposal which makes efforts to protect the victims of sexual exploitation and bring about equality of the sexes.

DRAFT FOLLOWS:

The general assembly;

Accepting that this resolution makes prostitution legal, which does reducing the legal consequences to the victim;

Highly Concerned that it makes no effort to target the forces responsible for prostitution, namely the procurement, promotion, organisation, perpetration and usage of prostitution and sexual exploitation as a whole;

Noting the resolution made no efforts to encourage the rehabilitation and treatment of the victims,

Further noting the resolution made no effort to ensure appropiate medical care of victims.

Eager to submit alternative legislation concerning prostitution and the exploitation within the sex industry, which seeks to redress these oversights, notably to punish the perpetrators of sexual exploitation, legislation which makes efforts to protect the victims of sexual exploitation and bring about equality of the sexes.

Determined to stamp out the exploitation of women, and make amends for the failures of the previous resolution.

Urges member states to endorse this repeal.



Comments are welcome.

Got to run, but looking nice. I'm sure "some" member(s) will have a cow (a Jersey to be specific) over the idea of repealing it, but I like it.

"some" would include me. I would welcome resolutions trying to provide more labour rights, safety, and freedom, but not to attack the actual rights that people have over their own bodies.

You'd get my support.

"some" would include me. I would welcome resolutions trying to provide more labour rights, safety, and freedom, but not to attack the actual rights that people have over their own bodies.

I would not be seeking to prevent induviduals from using their bodies however they want. However, I don't think there is a single woman who would voluntarily surrender themselves into prostitution and be under the control of profittering males.

This repeal seeks to give the victims more rights over their bodies, at least when the actual resolution I have drafted will pass (and I will include the draft on this topic on MOnday)

However, I don't think there is a single woman who would voluntarily surrender themselves into prostitution and be under the control of profittering males.

You have proof? and what about males in prostitution?

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World

IF you make it illegal, you encourage pimps.

If you make it legal, you make the pimps illegal ("sexual harrassment, intent to enslave") and you give the prostitute a way to bring down the law on their head.

Here - read this page first. If you're really into the topic, read the whole book.
But at least review this page.

http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/101.htm#controversial

When you're done, then come back and speak your piece. But, please, first, read.

Here - read this page first. If you're really into the topic, read the whole book.
But at least review this page.

http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/101.htm#controversial

When you're done, then come back and speak your piece. But, please, first, read.

Okay, it's fine if you have your own opinion and philosophy about government, but please do not insist that every one else follows the same dogma. Just because you agree with the author of the web page, doesn't mean that everyone else will. It is, in no way, a "read-before-speaking-your-peace" document, such as the FAQ, or the Writing Guide might be called.

Having noted the efforts of Jenniver here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366498), the government of the supremely democratic states of Hirota wishes to submit it's own effort to repeal the resolution for the consideration of the UN.

Hirota is concerned that whilst this resolution makes prostitution legal, thus reducing the legal consequences to the victim, it makes no effort to target the forces responsible for prostitution. The DSH is wholly determined to stamp out the exploitation of women, and make amends for the failures of the previous resolution.

The previous resolution made no efforts to encourage the rehabilitation of the victims, made no effort to ensure appropiate medical care was given. The United Nations failed when they seeked to protect women - instead the resolution made it easier for the exploitation to occur.

The DSH has drawn up a potential proposal concerning prostitution and the exploitation within the sex industry, a proposal which seeks to redress these glaring oversights. A proposal which seeks to punish the perpetrators of sexual exploitation, a proposal which makes efforts to protect the victims of sexual exploitation and bring about equality of the sexes.

DRAFT FOLLOWS:

The general assembly;

Accepting that this resolution makes prostitution legal, which does reducing the legal consequences to the victim;

Highly Concerned that it makes no effort to target the forces responsible for prostitution, namely the procurement, promotion, organisation, perpetration and usage of prostitution and sexual exploitation as a whole;

Noting the resolution made no efforts to encourage the rehabilitation and treatment of the victims,

Further noting the resolution made no effort to ensure appropiate medical care of victims.

Eager to submit alternative legislation concerning prostitution and the exploitation within the sex industry, which seeks to redress these oversights, notably to punish the perpetrators of sexual exploitation, legislation which makes efforts to protect the victims of sexual exploitation and bring about equality of the sexes.

Determined to stamp out the exploitation of women, and make amends for the failures of the previous resolution.

Urges member states to endorse this repeal.



Comments are welcome.


My comment... the proposed resolution is a few metric tons of horse maneur.

For one, all of the proposed concerns are enviromental constraints typified under legal systems where prostitution is illegal... Under the legalized system, the entire proposal is redundant, by the effective legalization of prostitution the industry including employers and employees, is protected by several other NSUN resolutions including but not limited to #6, #14, #22, #25, #38, #59, #68, and #69. As such, the Republic considers your argument completely invalid, and without any merit or redeeming quality... and will therefore not push or support its approval, or vote in affirmation should it reach quorum.

Here - read this page first. If you're really into the topic, read the whole book.
But at least review this page.

http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/ain...m#controversial

When you're done, then come back and speak your piece. But, please, first, read.

Okay, it's fine if you have your own opinion and philosophy about government, but please do not insist that every one else follows the same dogma. Just because you agree with the author of the web page, doesn't mean that everyone else will. It is, in no way, a "read-before-speaking-your-peace" document, such as the FAQ, or the Writing Guide might be called.

Uhm, Chip? I don't care if you agree with me or not. Honestly. Couldn't care less. The purpose is to display another line of thought. "Here's what someone else said". Lots of good charts and research in that tome. Maybe it will open some discussion.

But I really don't care if you read it or not. Or agree with it. I'd appreciate your reading it, as it would give more information of the "other sides arguements". But you don't have to.

Feel better now?

But I really don't care if you read it or not.

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review this page.

...

When you're done, then come back and speak your piece....first, read.

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:confused:

Feel better now?
No.


In other news, I think Hirota's repeal proposal is fine and it's on probably the best resolution (besides, perhaps the "fight the axis of evil" resolution) to repeal, because, I think, it passed by the narrowest margin. Definitely not a consensus within the UN. The UN where you automatically vote "yes" to a proposal, Unless, of course, you're voting "yes", in which case your vote is cast as "yes".

Before I respond to some of the points outlined above, the DSH also wishes to submit a copy of a draft proposal which Hirota would immediately submit upon successful adoption of the repeal:

_______________________________

The general assembly:

Considering that recognition of the equal and unalienable rights of all members of the human family without distinction as to sex is the foundation of freedom, justice, and peace in the world,

Recognizing that those rights derive from the inherent dignity of the human person,

Having regard to the End slavery resolution, and the Sexes Rights Law, which prohibit slavery and the slave trade in all its forms, efforts to promote equality between the sexes

Having regard to Article 5 of The Universal Bill of Rights, which recognizes the right of all persons to be free from cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment,

Concerned that human rights are seriously threatened by the massive and growing sexual exploitation of women and children,

Recognizing further that sexual exploitation, including prostitution, abrogates these rights and subordinates women as a group, and therefore violates human dignity and the right of equality,

Concerned that sexual exploitation inflicts grave harm and often takes the extreme forms of sexual slavery, torture, mutilation and death, Concerned that sexual violence and prostitution are not inevitable but are forms of sexual exploitation,

noting that the victims of sexual exploitation are not limited to females and children;

Have agreed as follows:

Defines Sexual exploitation as the sexual violation of a person's human dignity, equality, and physical and mental integrity. It is a practice by which some people (primarily men) achieve power and domination over others (primarily women and children) for the purposes of sexual gratification, financial gain, and/or advancement

Determined that it is a fundamental right to be free from sexual exploitation. Member states will take all necessary measures to eliminate all forms of sexual exploitation. The violation and harm of sexual exploitation is not obviated by the consent of the victim.

Calls upon member States to initiate preventive policies and practices to prevent all forms of sexual exploitation and agree to:
a) Reject state economic policies and practices of development that help precipitate persons into situations of sexual exploitation;
b) Ensure that valid written contracts of employment are entered into and that existing labor laws protect migrant workers, monitoring the provisions of such contracts in order to protect these workers from sexual exploitation in the host country;
c) Enact or enforce such regulations, as the right to retain one's own passport or travel documents, that are necessary for the protection of persons in the migrating process at places of departure, arrival and while en route;
d) Monitor public transportation and port facilities for the presence of persons who appear to be principals, accomplices and customers engaged in prostitution and trafficking and to protect the victims of prostitution and trafficking;
e) Adopt special provisions to prevent the sexual exploitation of persons during all situations of armed conflict. In refugee camps and evacuation centers, States Parties will appoint a special team of observers to prevent and monitor violations of sexual exploitation.

Declares that member states will provide those most vulnerable to sexual exploitation and victims of sexual exploitation with:
a) Educational programs and work to increase their economic opportunities and enhance their status and worth;
b) Shelter and housing assistance;
c) Voluntary and confidential counseling and medical services, particularly for prevention, treatment of sexually transmitted diseases, HIV and AIDS, and substance abuse.

Determined that Member States shall punish perpetrators of sexual exploitation and redress the harm done to victims by developing penal, civil, labor and administrative sanctions. Member States shall reject any policy or law that legitimizes the prostitution of anyone and that renders lawful or regulates prostitution in any way

Urges Member States to adopt legislation that recognizes prostitution as sexual exploitation by punishing anyone who procures a person for prostitution by any means, even with that person's consent; anyone who knowingly keeps, manages or finances or takes part in the financing of a brothel; anyone who knowingly lets or rents a building or other place for the purpose of prostitution;

Urges member states to punish customers who promote the demand for the prostitution of others;

Urges member states to punish their military personnel, diplomatic officials, peacekeeping forces, and related personnel, whether on home territory or outside the country, for any involvement in the sexual exploitation of others, including prostitution;

Requests member states Repeal criminal or civil penalties, where they exist, against the victims of sexual exploitation and prostitution.

Member States agree to punish individuals and enterprises, including customers, who organize, profit from, or engage in sex tourism.

Determined that Member States shall insure that victims' history of prostitution, cannot be used against them.

Declares member states undertake to make the principles and provisions of the resolution widely known by appropriate and active means to adults and children alike.

Determined to remain seized on the matter

You have proof? and what about males in prostitution?I said think, as in it's my opinion. Of course I should have said there is not "a single SANE woman who would voluntarily surrender themselves into prostitution and be under the control of profittering males." Perhaps its the not-so-sane we should be working to protect?

As for males, I recognise the point you are making, and I adjusted the draft resolution posted earlier to avoid making any distinction on victims of sexual exploitation based on gender.IF you make it illegal, you encourage pimps.Indeed, and upon repealling this resolution, it would be illegal. Unfortunately. For a while anyway.
If you make it legal, you make the pimps illegal ("sexual harrassment, intent to enslave") and you give the prostitute a way to bring down the law on their head.Which is also recognised in the draft proposal submitted earlier. It also makes efforts to provide some medical and social care for the victims of exploitation.
Here - read this page first. If you're really into the topic, read the whole book.
But at least review this page. Fair enough, but effectively pointless. I'm not trying to restrict consensual activities (and they are protected in other resolutions). I am trying to restrict sexual exploitation and also make efforts to provide routes to exit the industry, and also protect the victims of exploitation.
Under the legalized system, the entire proposal is redundant, by the effective legalization of prostitution the industry including employers and employees, is protected by several other NSUN resolutions including but not limited to....That's your understanding of the resolution, not mine. Your entitled to your opinion, but I'll just ignore it (especially since you've said nothing constructive on the matter).and will therefore not push or support its approval, or vote in affirmation should it reach quorum. <shrugs> Fair enough. I'll live.

Actually, it's redundancy isn't an opinion, its an established fact (reference resolutions)... That you choose to ignore fact I find in no way surprising... petty dictators and other self-labled "rightists" generally ignore fact in favor of their own personal dilusions and fantasy...... It is the typical operations of a disturbed mind. Considering your entire view is based on bigotry, disguised as equality..... So you can take your lies and self deception... and shove it....

And since you can make the remark that you consider anyone who would enter such an industry voluntarily, insane..... I will patently declare that anyone who thinks entering into any particular profession can equate to insanity, as mentally retarded..... The simple fact is, people do become prostitutes volunarily, and a majority of the industry is owned and ran by women, especially in localities where it is legal, since the exploiting male street pimp is done away with in favor of actual establishments..... The simply fact is, NSUN resolution or no, prostitution is legal and it will always be legal, recreational drug use is legal, and it will always be legal..... what our people choose to do with their bodies is of no concern to the government.... and that is the way it always will be.....

Actually, it's redundancy isn't an opinion, its an established fact (reference resolutions)... That you choose to ignore fact I find in no way surprising... petty dictators and other self-labled "rightists" generally ignore fact in favor of their own personal dilusions and fantasy...... It is the typical operations of a disturbed mind. Considering your entire view is based on bigotry, disguised as equality..... So you can take your lies and self deception... and shove it....

Oh my....

I hate playing teacher, but Tekania, after watching your mean-spiritedness in this and so many other threads, I think you need to be reminded that the UN forum has a certain level of tact required. Dissention does not have to be nasty, as you are obviously convinced it must be. I'm afraid that flaming and trolling around the forums only decreases the likelihood that your arguments are given even a moments notice. I would, for your credibility's sake, tell you the best path is to stop being so harsh, but I think the damage has already been done.

What gets me is how Hirota presents a very compromise-oriented alternative (a good one; the way these repeals should be done, in many cases), and only after that do you start spouting off that someone stole your cookies...That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I said think, as in it's my opinion. Of course I should have said there is not "a single SANE woman who would voluntarily surrender themselves into prostitution and be under the control of profittering males." Perhaps its the not-so-sane we should be working to protect?

'Profiteering males?' eh? That's assuming quite a bit. Sure there are some women who are forced into prostitution by pimps and the like (not legally in TBlack) or forced to stay in it but there are sell employed prostitutes and prostitutes working for profiteering females.

Come to think of it most jobs make you work for profiteering individuals. Some of them use things like salary, emotional abuse, and the instability of the job market to keep you doing as you are told. In my opinion that is always wrong and bosses like that deserve to be punished (whether the government does that is another point entirely). It is no reason to ban employment. The difference with prostitution is that the skill they are selling is sex.

The fact is that a growing number of women are switching to work in sex rather than in other jobs because they find it gives them more freedom and job satisfaction. You chose your hours, you make more money per hour than most of your friends and you spend your time giving pleasure (and often receiving it too). http://www.iusw.org/policy/index.html

Slavery is illegal under 'End slavery' so sex slaves should be no different. If you want to protect these 'insane' women prove their insanity. I hardly see a job in the sex industry as a indicator of mental health. Or, in most cases, the voluntary surrender of power, we all do it in one way or another.

I'm not sure if you are aware of this but you are coming across as quite sexist (to males and females), implying women, who would never think about using sex to her advantage, need to be protected from the money grabbing manipulative men.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World

Exactly, the failed logical connection to realize legalized prostitution creates a valid and legal protection which is shares the same exploitation protections as all other "employees" within other industries. These people can't be slaves, so that argument is redundant, because of other in-effect established resolutions, they can't work more than 40 hours a week, also protected by NSUN resolution, children can't be employed or exploited in it, also by other NSUN resolutions.

So the arguments made by Hirotas proposal are based on an "idea" (albeit a false idea) that it needs to be repealed because it does not protect against certain conditions... of course while at heart it is true, the resolutions the proposal seeks to repeal does not ITSELF have stipulated protections granted to those employed in the industry.... HOWEVER the idea is based on deception, failing to understand that because it is legalized, the industry is protected under SEVERAL other UN resolutions. So the fact that the reasoning is redundant isn't my opinion... it's established fact.... Hirota's proposal seeks to repeal the Legalize Protestution resolution based on the fact that the resolution to legalize it does not provide protection against things which other resolutions already provide protections to...

If women are being exploited by the industry within a nation, it means the nation allowing it is not in conformity with NSUN resolutions as they stand, adding more resolutions does not protect against this anymore.... it means the NSUN is failing to enforce its policies on its members, and that its members are not living up to their responsibilities as NSUN members. If Prostitution creates the scenarios listed in Hirota, then I move Hirota be put on notice by the NSUN for failing to comply with the entire LIST of resolutions in my first post, and they be placed under sanction untill they are in compliance with en-force estalbished NSUN resolutions.

There's a real simple logical equivalent here.

Sweatshops are destroyed by unions and making a minimum wage manditory.

Pimps and sex slavery is destroyed by making prostitution legal, protected, and voluntary.

Simple.

There's a real simple logical equivalent here.

Sweatshops are destroyed by unions and making a minimum wage manditory.

Pimps and sex slavery is destroyed by making prostitution legal, protected, and voluntary.

Simple.

Exactly. And this is, as has been said, done by the joint effects of previous UN resolutions.

Member States shall reject any policy or law that legitimizes the prostitution of anyone and that renders lawful or regulates prostitution in any way

I was about to say I'd support the proposal until I read that. Under NO circumstances will the Roman government support the abolition of prostitution, as the industry itself can be made to be compliant with fair working conditions (i.e., it is voluntary, provides a liveable income and can be bound to fair treatment laws (i.e. the prostitutes cannot be beaten or forced to live 19 to a 4x4 room)).

This repeal will not be getting our support.