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Repeal "Legalize prostitution"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #46
Proposed by: Jennivier

Description: UN Resolution #46: Legalize prostitution (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Due to a slim margin of victory, and overall demoralizing nature of said bill, Jennivier hereby repeals United Nations Resolution number 46.

Prositution is an unquestionable, demoralizing act against both parties in said act. Prostitution is NOT an acceptable means of income, and is rarely used for that purpose. It supports both the illegal usage of various drugs deemed illegal and harmful to society. Prostitution sets a negative example for youth as a positive means of living and gaining income. It sets the idea that it is right to sell ones self for a few mear dollars to the benefit of another individual. But at what risk: murder, rape, sexually transmitted diseases, and the list goes on, as the UM of Jennivier assures you.

Prostitution must be outlawed. Nations should encourage other, moraly acceptable, means of income and living. Said career supports a false idea that a few bucks everynight is an acceptable income and means of living. While in actuality, these individuals are forced into the lower class of society, drawing off wellfare. If we do not allow this, said inviduals will seek other, more proficient careers, thus reducing:

1. Taxes due to poor income
2. Illegal drug trafficing
3. Unecessary medical expenses due to STDs, abortions, injuries sustained (eg rape)

In turn, we gain:

1. Safety on the streets
2. City beautification is improved
3. More individuals employed

The UM of Jennivier assures you that the list of negatives is far too great, and the items to gain too much to lose. We hereby urge all UN nations to repeal this resolution and ban prositution in all member nations. Said lifestyles of such a demoralizing nature musn't be allowed in the civilized world.


I ask that you please approve this resolution. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. I thank you for your time.

How can I get the UN to propose this as a possible new Resolution?

You must be the delegate of the region and then vote to approve the proposal under listed proposals. The support of your regional delegate is needed.

I support this repeal because I think this is yet another issue that should be left to national governments.

I agree. This is the basis of my argument for the same proposal on page 17. Please work to get delegates to approve.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/61592/page=UN_proposal/start=80

Perhaps rather than illegalise it, which will just send it underground and mean more crime, you could propose that governments offer support to all those involved in prostitution. The support could be in the form of govt. housing, education (both on the risks of prostitution and in other aspects) to give them an opportunity to escape the life their leading.

The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites supports this repeal attempt as we believe that this is an issue best left for individual nations to decide on.

My government has directed me to express our limited support on this repeal. My government campaigned against this resolution during it's inception, mainly against it's failure to make any efforts to provide support for the prostitutes, it's failure to provide any form of unified action on the organised crime responsible for prostitution, and it's failure to make efforts to allow prostitutes to seek alternative career paths.

This repeal in it's current form is an improvement, although it's critical tone which would appear to be directed against the victims (the prostitutes themselves) is concerning.

If this resolution was repealed, with the intent of bringing about policies outlined above, the DSH would campaign for it's inception.

1. Taxes due to poor income
2. Illegal drug trafficing
3. Unecessary medical expenses due to STDs, abortions, injuries sustained (eg rape)

These are ALL http://winace.andkon.com/pics/unsupported_assertion.jpg. Please support each of these, especially why illegal prostitution will actually reduce prostitution.

Also, rapes are likely to increase, especially against prostitutes, because they cannot report the crime for fear of being jailed for breaking the law.

In turn, we gain:

1. Safety on the streets
2. City beautification is improved
3. More individuals employed

Same for these. Prostitutes need help if you wish them to stop being prostitutes.

The UM of Jennivier assures you that the list of negatives is far too great, and the items to gain too much to lose. We hereby urge all UN nations to repeal this resolution and ban prositution in all member nations. Said lifestyles of such a demoralizing nature musn't be allowed in the civilized world.

Demoralising lifestyles. Right. And just how do they hurt other people? If it is decided that religous lifestyles are demoralising because they encourage passing the buck to an imaginary being, will you support the outlawing of all religious sects, ESPECIALLY those of Christianity?

I support this repeal because I think this is yet another issue that should be left to national governments.

If you're so hot about national souvereignity of your nation, why did you join the UN?

Sorry, but your arguement comes down to "you don't like it".

Insufficient.

I suggest you review the COYOTE website, and read T'ain't Nobodys Business If I do.

I'll start you off at : http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/101.htm#controversial

Its a freebie.

As to Vastiva - we realize significant tax income from prostitution. We have far less teen pregnancy, sexual assault, sexually transmitted disease, and crime? Crime is unknown. We gave organized crime nothing to sink its teeth into, no vice to peddle secretly. And we protected sex workers as workers, not chattle. There is no shame in being a prostitute of either sex in Vastiva - and the retirement can be early and well financed.

So, no, we will not support you.

Government has no right to interfere in the sexual activity of consenting adults. Not to mention, legalising prostitution makes it much safer for the prostitutes themselves, and allows government to encourage greater standards of health and to give prostitutes the same labour rights as other workers.

I will therefore fight any attempt to repeal this legislation. I'd also like to make some specific points about your text.

Prositution is an unquestionable, demoralizing act against both parties in said act.

Who are you to decide this - surely it's for the participants to decide whether they like something? Can you provide a basis for your moral argument?

Prostitution is NOT an acceptable means of income

On what basis do you make this assertion?

and is rarely used for that purpose

So you're saying that most prostitutes aren't in it for the income? So for what? Fun? If they are, why does that make it worthy of being illegal?

It supports both the illegal usage of various drugs deemed illegal and harmful to society

In _Myopia_, and in many other NS nations, all drugs are legal, so this statement is actually incorrect. And even if you apply it to nations where those drugs are illegal, why is prostitutes taking drugs a reason to illegalise prostitution? Quite apart from the fact that it's easier to provide help and rehab services for them if it's legal, why should the commission of a crime lead to the illegalising of a career? You might as well say, "accountants are more likely to commit fraud to steal large sums of money than plumbers, so we should ban the practice of accountancy".

But at what risk: murder, rape, sexually transmitted diseases, and the list goes on, as the UM of Jennivier assures you.

All of which are obviously more easily preventable when prostitution is legal.

moraly acceptable

To you, perhaps.

Said career supports a false idea that a few bucks everynight is an acceptable income and means of living.

Quite apart from the fact that the US dollar doesn't exist in NS as a general currency standard, who says they're charging so little?

While in actuality, these individuals are forced into the lower class of society, drawing off wellfare.

Actually, many of _Myopia_'s prostitutes are doing quite well for themselves.

If we do not allow this, said inviduals will seek other, more proficient careers

That, or they'll just do it illegally, and thus less safely.

1. Taxes due to poor income

Like I said, who says they're so cheap?

2. Illegal drug trafficing

Not an issue for us, and quite frankly it's rather stupid to assert that simply by illegalising their profession, you will cause all drug-addicted prostitutes to stop being addicted.

3. Unecessary medical expenses due to STDs, abortions, injuries sustained (eg rape)

Again, with prostitution legal, prostitutes will have workers' rights, so they'll be assured more safety in the workplace and the right to demand that a condom is used. Oh, and rape isn't an injury. It's an act in which injuries are often inflicted.

1. Safety on the streets

Yeah, because you'll be much safer with all those prostitution-funded organised criminals. :rolleyes:

3. More individuals employed

Yeah, 'cause illegalising a profession will decrease unemployment :rolleyes:


_Myopia_ might support a proposal to specifically support the rights, safety and general protection of prostitutes.

BUMP - Please endorse. Tonight is the last night and it needs 61 endorsements. Thanks for your time!

I, the Delegate of the 10000 Islands endorse this repeal.

BUMP - Please endorse. Tonight is the last night and it needs 61 endorsements. Thanks for your time!

You know, you might get more endorsements if you actually went and replied to the questions in this thread.

Hasslehoffburg says no to this repeal. Bad idea. :gundge:

The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites supports this repeal attempt as we believe that this is an issue best left for individual nations to decide on.
Please note: that's not what this repeal says that its gonna do.

The UM of Jennivier assures you that the list of negatives is far too great, and the items to gain too much to lose. We hereby urge all UN nations to repeal this resolution and ban prositution in all member nations. Said lifestyles of such a demoralizing nature musn't be allowed in the civilized world.

Please note: that's not what this repeal says that its gonna do.
No, the resolution urges people to do two things 1. repeal the resolution and 2. ban prostitution. All the repeal does is return control of the issue to the individual nations where they can either ban or allow it.

Flibbleites is technically correct, a ban will not become law across the UN unless it's passed separately, this text is just endorsing a ban. It's still wrong though, and I would like to see the thread's author respond to my comments.

Flibbleites is technically correct, a ban will not become law across the UN unless it's passed separately, this text is just endorsing a ban. It's still wrong though, and I would like to see the thread's author respond to my comments.

They can't.

The UN should have never have really messed with that. We need to leave it to the individual nations. We need to count on the nations to take care of some things by themselves.


God Bless
Erica

They can't.

Why not?

I definitly agree that prostitution should be left to individual nations to decide upon. This isn't a law that the whole UN should have to conform to. I now see why so many people leave the UN on a daily basis. :headbang:

I definitly agree that prostitution should be left to individual nations to decide upon. This isn't a law that the whole UN should have to conform to. I now see why so many people leave the UN on a daily basis. :headbang:
Yep they just didn't notice all the FAQ's and stickies that say the UN can do pretty much anything it wants when they clicked 'join'.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World

Why not?

Because, Myopia, if they answer you, all the answers will bring out prejudices.

I've never seen an arguement in *coughdecadescough* that stood up to questioning on this issue.

The UN should have never have really messed with that. We need to leave it to the individual nations. We need to count on the nations to take care of some things by themselves.


God Bless
Erica

They did.
It's done.
You're in the UN?
Live with it.

The Council of State of the Commonwealth of South of Market wishes to register our official opposition for such a repeal. Our country, until fairly recently, suffered from criminalized prostitution, especially in regards to violence against prostitutes and their clients. Since the legalization of prostitution after independence, local prostitutes were able to organize themselves into a cooperative to regulate activity and to work with authorities on relevant matters such as public health and neighborhood safety. A repeal and a ban based on narrow definitions of morality is detrimental to the improvements that have been made for this neglected and maligned group in society.

The Council of State of the Commonwealth of South of Market wishes to register our official opposition for such a repeal. Our country, until fairly recently, suffered from criminalized prostitution, especially in regards to violence against prostitutes and their clients. Since the legalization of prostitution after independence, local prostitutes were able to organize themselves into a cooperative to regulate activity and to work with authorities on relevant matters such as public health and neighborhood safety. A repeal and a ban based on narrow definitions of morality is detrimental to the improvements that have been made for this neglected and maligned group in society.

SoM, you ever need an economic aid package, TG me.

Because, Myopia, if they answer you, all the answers will bring out prejudices.

I've never seen an arguement in *coughdecadescough* that stood up to questioning on this issue.

Oh, lol, I thought you meant they were actually incapable of posting a reply to the forum.

Prositution is an unquestionable, demoralizing act against both parties in said act. Prostitution is NOT an acceptable means of income, and is rarely used for that purpose. It supports both the illegal usage of various drugs deemed illegal and harmful to society. Prostitution sets a negative example for youth as a positive means of living and gaining income. It sets the idea that it is right to sell ones self for a few mear dollars to the benefit of another individual. But at what risk: murder, rape, sexually transmitted diseases, and the list goes on, as the UM of Jennivier assures you.


Why is it demoralizing? Is it better that a man goes out and rapes a woman because he can't get sex? No - he goes to someone who will help him.
Is it better that a woman can't afford to feed her kids, or herself? No - so she makes money any way she can.

Banning prostitution will have the same effect as prohibition had in the fictional country of the USA (I read about it in a book once!) - it will give birth to a huge criminal empire. Is that what you want to be remembered for?

Also - murder, rape, STDs - they are not going to go away if you ban prostitution. Prostitutes get murdered, but so do Presidents. Prositutes get raped, but so do little children. I can show you a list of millionaires who died of Aids, none of whom are prostitutes.

Your repeal would meet none of the targets it is has set out, so why should anyone endorse it?

Let's see... how about bigotry, small mindedness, believing the propaganda that is out there...

*brrraaakkk*spoik!*

I'd go on, but my sarcasm just broke. ;) :p

The UN made prostitution legal.

Our Sultan put a tax on it. And a license. And manditory weekly health checkups for practitioners (paid for by the state). Part of the license included education on STDs - signs, prevention, treatment. It also included use of condoms and other devices.

We won't get into the rest of the classes. But we will say there was a healthy leap in the Furniture Restoration and Mattress Manufacturing sectors of our economy.

Not being licensed was declared "unsafe". Not "illegal" but "unsafe". Clauses were inserted in health insurance that made contact with an unsafe sex practitioner grounds not to pay claims. Also life insurance. The presence of these clauses was made very public. Our Sultan passed a law insuring those clauses would be present, in plain english, and would be read to each and everyone purchasing a policy.

As such, there isn't any illegal prostitution as Vastiva's population is well aware of the health risks.

At the same time, prostitutes add to the tax base. They invest. They buy insurance. They have unions (oy, do they have unions!). They donate to political races, they have a voice. They help in the further suppression of criminal activity (wanna see what an attempt to control prostitutes who have the police and the law on their side looks like? I'll send you photos. Bring a barf bag).

Male and female prostitutes are present. They make wonderful informers. And our cruise liners made a huge leap in overall profits when we made "professional escorts" part of ... certain packages.

The UN made it legal. Vastiva made it work for us.