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It has come to my attention that unless we all decide to agree on one proposal that there is no way this resolution will be repealed. I would like to welcome all nations who have previously tried to repeal this resolution to come together so that we can all agree on one proposal and then finally get this thing repealed. It'll take a lot of work, but I think we can do it. The only problem is, is that we'd have to make sure only this proposal is submitted for that one day to give everyone ample time to vote for it. Whoever would like to join me in this please note it at the bottom of the post. Oh and the idea for this post is courtesy of Mikitivity. Thank you Mikitivity :).

I will join you in this. I propose waiting until the current slab runs out - say, next Monday, 18th October.

Harhun Emyn,
UN Delegate for Havocaos

If you are serious about repealling this resolution, then you would be best off monitoring delegates which endorse the repeal, and when you submit your own, contact those delegates and inform them of your own effort.

Let other nations do the hard work of getting nations on board.

Hirota has the right idea here.
There are currently 5 or 6 repeals in place. Check out and get a list of all those who have supported at least one of them and telegram each one in turn.

It's a tedious job, but it should have the desired effect.

Alright, I won't be able to get to this until friday, most likely so I would appreciate if some nations would start me off and then after friday I'll really get into it. Maybe someone could start posting a list of people that previously supported such repeales on this thread so that people can more easily access it. :)

Here is a thread that will have some of the Delegates that endorsed this two weeks ago:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7141473

After the "fictional" Presidential debate tonight, I can create a form letter and then sort those lists into a "Repeal Call List". I'd be happy to get a number of nations started working on this and feel that I might have a way that will work.

I do believe that my proposal on repealing Fight the Axis of Evil has been the best one written to date and would be willing to allow others to add/delete/modify it in the interest of co-authorship to make this repeal possible.

Here is a thread that will have some of the Delegates that endorsed this two weeks ago:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7141473

After the "fictional" Presidential debate tonight, I can create a form letter and then sort those lists into a "Repeal Call List". I'd be happy to get a number of nations started working on this and feel that I might have a way that will work.

By all means Mikitivity, I would be most obliged if you did so. As for the resolution I say that in order to create one that we can all agree on that we not only modify Tuesday Heights proposal, but every resolution that has been written on the subject. Taking it a step further, I say that anyone that has ever written an alternative propsoal to the "Fight the Axis of Evil" resolution should post it. That way we can pick and choose the best parts from each proposal and combine them into a proposal that everyone can agree on and that everyone has taken part in creating. Then we would be submitting a truly universally acceptable proposal, both in scope and ideas. So, anyone that has a proposal and would like to post it, would like to create a proposal write now and post it, or just has some ideas for the proposal please, by all means do so. Perhaps we could create another page for editing this thing.

Here is my repeal:

Description: UN Resolution #1: Fight the Axis of Evil (Category: International Security; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The following elements must be taken into consideration in the repealing of “Axis of Evil” from United Nations legislation:

“As the world becomes a more dangerous place, UN member nations must act swiftly in the interests of peace.”

First, and foremost, the United Nations is not a body of international infiltration. By spreading the interests of “peace” without defining what the UN sees as the epitome and state of peace at any given time, any nation within the body can claim to seek peace in a given place within the world and attempt to both infiltrate and impose a lifestyle that is not in the interest of the people of said nation.

Therefore, the initial submission of this proposal – now current resolution – remains ambiguous and open to interpretation by each individual UN member rather than agreed upon by the entire body as a whole.

“This means, of course, building lots of new weapons.”

Second, since an “Axis of Evil” was never defined as specific targets, why does a nation and the UN as a whole, need to build a vast quantity and quality of weapons to deflect a target not even identified?

By building “new weapons,” as the resolution says, the UN is effectively engaging in an arm’s race that has the potential to create more conflict between members than it does in subduing potential, undefined, “evil” targets.

“Only by massively increasing military budgets world-wide will we be able to restore peace and global security.”

Third, another indefinable characteristic, per se, that the UN has ubiquitously thrown out to disguise that many nations just want to build weapons and spend money on there military for no other purpose than to have a standing military that might be considered among the great.

The term itself, “Axis of Evil,” advocates that this resolution defines certain entities as being “evil,” and as such, should be blacklisted by the United Nations as a whole; however, the original resolution does not even deal with the idea of an axis of evil, instead, it merely is a mask for defending itself from a “more dangerous place” in the world.

This sounds like it will work, but how long does a proposal stay active? So far none of the probably 15 proposals that have been made about repealing the axis of evil have even gotten half the votes they needed to become a resolution.

I believe it's 3 1/2 days.

Might as well post my bit concerning the resolution. I'm sure we could include parts of it in the resolution that will replace the current "Fight the Axis of Evil" one. Anyway, here it is, and once we get started writing up this resolution mangle and edit the text of this as much as is neccesary. Hopefully I can contribute something to the proposal and new resolution to replace the old one :).

Repeal the Fight the Axis of Evil Resolution

Quote:
[UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #1Fight the Axis of EvilA resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets.Category: International SecurityStrength: StrongProposed by: MaxtopiaDescription: As the world become a more dangerous place, UN member nations must act swiftly in the interests of peace. This means, of course, building lots of new weapons. Only by massively increasing military budgets worldwide will we be able to restore peace and global security.Votes For: 2Votes Against: 1Implemented: Tue Nv 12 2002] –End of Quote


Above is the UN Resolution entitled "Fight the Axis of Evil." We the Oppressed Peoples of ZhengHe and many others like us are working to repeal the Fight the Axis of evil resolution. To me the reason for repealing this resolution seems quite simple, but to others it may not be. Let me state why I, the benevolent dictator of ZhengHe personally thing this resolution is flawed.

1.) The fact that the resolution was voted upon by only 3 UN nations. As you all know there are 10's of thousands, perhaps 100's of thousands of nations that are members of the UN, thus these 3 member nations do not express the majority of the UN body. In fact they only represent a miniscule minority of us, which is why it baffles me how it was passed with only "3" votes. That is an order of powers smaller then 1% of the members of the UN, so resolution does not represent us and thus should be outlawed.

2.) How is building new and better weapons in the interests of peace? There is only one reason I can think of why the UN or any organization would want to build new weapons, which is to win wars. Now the UN is a peaceful organization, which means it doesn't promote war so why would its nations want to build new weapons. To fight more effectively against our enemies? Perhaps, but that would be in the interests of national security, I suppose not peace and it is a short-term answer to a long-term problem.

3.) Why do you say that you might ask? After all, if we can beat the enemy then we no longer need to worry about them hurting us. Then I might add, why don't we just nuke every nation that we surmise as "unpeaceful", which is frankly, madness. This leads to my 3rd conclusion. Sure these nations cause problems and some of the terrorist organizations within them cause mass deaths among our people in our nations, but you can't penalize an entire people, because of the actions of an influential minority. For the most part the common people in these nations are not at fault, but are coerced and/or brainwashed by corrupt governments. It would be injustice in the extreme to punish millions of people for the actions of thousands, no matter how horrific.

4.) This leads up to a whole new problem. If we were to develop weapons more advanced then what we currently possess the repercussions would be catastrophic, because eventually the nations, which we fight against will possess these weapons and use them against us causing more death on both sides, not less. Having a larger military budget and creating new weapons to use against corrupt nations will not restore peace, it will cause more brutal war, in fact we may start another war, which is directly contrary to the peaceful objective of this resolution.

5.) Peace will not come by us destroying nations that are not peaceful, not to mention it puts too much power in the hand of a few. What if after destroying all these nations one nation was to decide that it thought some other nations in the UN were corrupt. After such widespread use of weapons of mass destruction what would stop him/her from using it on the rest of us, because they don't believe in what we do.

6.) You can't just going around destroying your problems, you must deal with them. As members of the UN, increasing military spending and creating new, more deadly weapons will not deal with our problem. Though it is certainly a more arduous option we must promote peace by example and hope that those nations who are not peaceful will either become as such or perhaps their peoples will overthrow the corrupt governments under, which they live and through revolution form a more moral, more enlightened government in their country. We must promote these acts, because only then will there be worldwide peace among all nations. When we, the people of this world (all of us agree upon an everlasting peace among us nations, because it is the just thing to do), because in truth men were not put upon this Earth to destroy each other, but to love and learn and grow amongst each other and without peace we are nothing.

-How could we say that we want to restore peace if while doing so, we are committing war against other nations. It just doesn't make sense. It’s certainly something to think about. I just wanted to point out that in context this resolution makes absolutely no sense, which is why I urge all nations to work with me to repeal this resolution. Thank you.
Sincerely, The benevolent dictator of ZhengHe and his peoples.

PS: For more information on the subject please follow this link to the Thread entitled, Repeal: Fight the Axis of Evil (Please Endorse) by Tuesday Heights: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364112

PSS: Might I also mention that we just need 35 more nations to Repeal the Resolution in order for it to be repealed. Please help us in this noble cause and if you can get some of your closely allied nations to repeal it too. Every Repeal Counts!

There are currently three identical repeal initiatives. We need to get organized.

Besides the obvious UN members who are already are onboard, who else has strong feelings about this?

Please either reply or send our Foreign Affairs office of Aphronia or any other Nation taking initiative in the repeal process, a telelgram. Then we can start to make a plan for concentrated force in making our voice heard on this critical issue.

Thank You,