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The Glorious Northerness of Bahgum has submitted a proposal after many months of quiet. This proposal is lighthearted, but also with a serious issue within it...should we allow governments to dictate how you relax? Should it be a human right to have a public place of enjoyment free of state interference? As ever Bahgum will be pleased/surprised to gain more than a handful of votes, and has submitted this proposal to foster debate, change the subject from the obvious, make a change from those darn repeals and have a little fun!!

Sir Albert of Bahgum (on behalf of the glorious leader)


Freedom to enjoy
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Bahgum

Description: Introduction

It ought to be a human right to pop down the pub and sink a beer or eight, smoke and relax. However, the pubs status as an unfettered bastion of joy and relaxation is being slowly eroded by increasing moral, image and health issues which are perniciously crossing over from general daily life into the hallowed halls of the pub.

Therefore it is proposed that:

A campaign to appreciate the beer belly is launched, and that fine examples are awarded World Heritage status.

Smoking or any other activity traditionally enjoyed in a nations pub is held to be outside the bounds of government inteference.

Accusations of smelling of smoke, stale beer and having stale breath are classified as discrimatory and subject toa fine (say 5 pints).

It should be a Human right to come in late for work once a month due to a hangover (although the hours may be made up later), and what's more to be respected for having a zest for life.

Pool playing, darts, bowling, skittles and dominoes should become an olympic pentathlon event.

We propose that this is a fine start to reinstating the pub to glory, which, once passed can be creatively enjoyed and added to (as wise nations see fit), is cheap and will generally raise the happiness of the world!

The Glorious Northerness of Bahgum has submitted a proposal after many months of quiet. This proposal is lighthearted, but also with a serious issue within it...should we allow governments to dictate how you relax? Should it be a human right to have a public place of enjoyment free of state interference? As ever Bahgum will be pleased/surprised to gain more than a handful of votes, and has submitted this proposal to foster debate, change the subject from the obvious, make a change from those darn repeals and have a little fun!!

Sir Albert of Bahgum (on behalf of the glorious leader)


Freedom to enjoy
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Bahgum

Description: Introduction

It ought to be a human right to pop down the pub and sink a beer or eight, smoke and relax. However, the pubs status as an unfettered bastion of joy and relaxation is being slowly eroded by increasing moral, image and health issues which are perniciously crossing over from general daily life into the hallowed halls of the pub.

Therefore it is proposed that:

A campaign to appreciate the beer belly is launched, and that fine examples are awarded World Heritage status.

Smoking or any other activity traditionally enjoyed in a nations pub is held to be outside the bounds of government inteference.

Accusations of smelling of smoke, stale beer and having stale breath are classified as discrimatory and subject toa fine (say 5 pints).

It should be a Human right to come in late for work once a month due to a hangover (although the hours may be made up later), and what's more to be respected for having a zest for life.

Pool playing, darts, bowling, skittles and dominoes should become an olympic pentathlon event.

We propose that this is a fine start to reinstating the pub to glory, which, once passed can be creatively enjoyed and added to (as wise nations see fit), is cheap and will generally raise the happiness of the world!


(smirk) I am actually laughing as I read this, and not in an evil way. It's very entertaining and we could do with more people being nice to each other and having fun.

But I suspect that I might be the only person.

And to (sadly) inject one note of seriousness in to it - I am not sure that rewarding over drinking, over smoking and generally over indulging is a sane way to run a health department :}

Our glorious leader would like to express his thanks to the most esteemed nation of TilEnca and also to the superbly wise 10 nations who have endorsed the proposal so far.

In answer to TilEnca's concerns, Bahgum would argue that we are not encouraging unhealthiness, merely saying that it is the individuals choice, and right, to decide whether to indulge, not the government's to deny.

We never claimed to be sane................

By Eck.

Our glorious leader would like to express his thanks to the most esteemed nation of TilEnca and also to the superbly wise 10 nations who have endorsed the proposal so far.

In answer to TilEnca's concerns, Bahgum would argue that we are not encouraging unhealthiness, merely saying that it is the individuals choice, and right, to decide whether to indulge, not the government's to deny.

We never claimed to be sane................

By Eck.

Then if I had the ability to support your proposal I would, and I will happily vote for it should it come to the floor.

Axis Nova will support this resolution, just to annoy some of the more straight-laced nations.

Typical. Bloody typical. Completely forgotten about people who sing in pubs, haven't you? You probably think can fob us off with that line about "other traditional activities". Well, let me tell you, big boy, when you run dry half-way through the third verse of Nancy Whiskey, you'll find out what "other traditional activities" really means. -- Marlena Piaf, secretary, SMVTA (Smoky-Voiced Torch Singers' Association).

Typical. Bloody typical. Completely forgotten about people who sing in pubs, haven't you? You probably think can fob us off with that line about "other traditional activities". Well, let me tell you, big boy, when you run dry half-way through the third verse of Nancy Whiskey, you'll find out what "other traditional activities" really means. -- Marlena Piaf, secretary, SMVTA (Smoky-Voiced Torch Singers' Association).

I suppose it depends what you are singing :}

As a nation that does so enjoy ridiculousness and madcap fun, Merridonia would quite happily vote for this proposal should it ever reach floor.

If only because tomorrow I plan to show up to my duties as Loving Guide absolutely hungover, and wish not to be admonished by anyone.

Hoping to get quite plastered at the local pub in an hour,
--Miss Chaly Merridew

Dear melodious nation of Ardchoille, if you wish to sing, then sing, this proposal would stop any state interference from stopping you. The other folk in the pub may not be so keen, best wait till they've all had a few to drink eh?

Oooh, that Sir Albert! The minute he walked in the joint (boom-BOOM!) I could see he was a Man of Distinction, a real Big Spender; good lookin', so refined ... Edith Dietrich, president, Smoky-Voiced Torch Singers' Association.

No, we wouldn't like to know what's goin' on in your mind, Edie-love. Now stop laughin', this is serious. -- Marlene Piaf, secretary, SVTSA.

Ahem ... the melodious nation of Ardchoille thanks the handsome Bahgum delegate for his well-informed intervention. We wish to draw your attention to the traditional practice of referring to time spent at the pub as "choir practice". In every educational institution across the nation, teachers encountering each other in corridors routinely ask, "Going to choir practice tonight, Charlie (or Whoever)?" Equally routinely, they receive the enthusiastic reply, "Wouldn't miss it for quids, mate!" Similar conversations may be heard at all levels of the public service.

Clearly, then, singing is an activity of major importance in pubs. We would therefore suggest the insertion of a further clause in your proposed legislation, something along the lines of, "That a pub shall not be deemed to be a pub under the meaning of this Act unless it is supplied with a piano OR karaoke equipment OR a resident folk-singer with acoustic guitar OR other means of making a joyful noise."

We realise that, lacking others' manifest experience in (a) framing legislation and (b) pubs, we may have left some loopholes here. We therefore entrust further clarification to the expertise of the charming and intelligent delegates who have commented thus far.

As an oppressor of the people, I cannot support this proposal. Having fun is a sin (except, of course, where committed by leaders, who are there to enjoy the toils of others).

Colin
Supreme Spiritual Leader of The Nation

PS If you'd like to discuss this further, join my tea party on Thursday afternoon. Details are available on other threads - there will be many traditional activities, and at the end of the day, we'll burn a witch to celebrate our union as Member States.

Clearly, then, singing is an activity of major importance in pubs. We would therefore suggest the insertion of a further clause in your proposed legislation, something along the lines of, "That a pub shall not be deemed to be a pub under the meaning of this Act unless it is supplied with a piano OR karaoke equipment OR a resident folk-singer with acoustic guitar OR other means of making a joyful noise."
On behalf of the President and Lord Protector of the Jovianic Republic, and the other members of his Irish band, I heartily endorse this proposed addition to the Baghum delegate's proposal, and urge all pub owners in this august body to listen to and enjoy this demo CD....

Something occurred to me last night when I was woken up at 3am by a bunch of drunk people singing REALLY loudly outside my residence.

How would this proposal stop drunk people singing REALLY LOUDLY outside my residence at 3am?

I am all for having a good time, and for not making governments interfere at every level until such a good time is impossible, but I also kind of like being asleep at 3am after a long day at work.

Bahgum is more than pleased to see such a healthy discussion and also notes with great pleasure the helpful suggestions, particularly with regard to singing and general merry making. We would in particular like to thank the following most wise UN delegates who have approved this proposal (we believe this is a Bahgumian record, as the boredom brigade usually mean we struggle to gain more than 10 for a fun proposal) :
Approvals: 18 (The Two-Headed Dragon, The Artificial World, Marshen, Syu, La Commune Quebecoise, Peaonusahl, Pineapple Joe-bot, Coolet, Gesing, Saccharin, Smackahoe, Entropisburg, Joven, Anal assassians, Munsen, Indiucky, 133tness55, Isvevia).

May the sun shine brigthly on your perfect days, and may the pubs happy hours be never ending.

Bahgum feels that we should re-write a little and re-submit, more suggestions great nations...more!