NationStates Jolt Archive

This one is pretty basic. Just wondering what kind of reaction such a proposal would recieve. This applies only to public places. Feedback would be appreciated before i try it out.

Non-smoker-leaders would definetely support it. It worked in real life Ireland very well. Irish non smokers are the envy of non smokers from rest of the world. :)

Yeah thats true. I tried passing it through before, but im fairly lazy after a while, so i didnt plug it to all the delegates, resulting in only about 20 endorsements. I will try again later.

You'll get my cigarettes only when you pry them from my cold, dead, stinking, yellow-stained fingers.

Do what you want with your nation's air quality. Ours is fine. Tobacco is one of our better exports, and the UN shouldn't be sticking its fragrance-challenged nose into our business practices.



... Are you still here? * blows smoke in Ambassador's face *

This one is pretty basic. Just wondering what kind of reaction such a proposal would recieve. This applies only to public places. Feedback would be appreciated before i try it out.

Here's my reaction:

Go away.

Is this an actual proposal, or just an inquiry? If so would it be possible to post a copy of the proposal here so that we know what it is we are discussing?

Edit Never mind - I just re-read the top part.

Personally I don't smoke, but I think a ban such as this should be by the will of the people of each nation, not the by the will of the people of one nation.

I'm not totally averse to a ban in enclosed public places, but not privately-owned public places - I think in the workplace it should be decided by those who have to work there. And outdoors even in public a ban is not really justified.

Per the usual stance, I would not support such a proposal even though I despise smoking.

Remember this everyone-

National Sovereignty: It's Like That "Tolerance" Crap on a National Level

PSH.... there's no way the world would go for a non-smoking policy. If you outlaw it, people will just find a way to get cigarettes, like drugs. Which means that the government get's no tax from it. If people don't like smoking, go to a different place. If it kills people, then too bad, they had it coming. :headbang:

The Protectorate of Legalese thanks Sinn Feins Ireland for the thought of creating such a resolution, and issues their position on the matter:

The legality of smoking is, and should remain, a national issue. As for banning the trade of cigarettes, you could attempt it, but I doubt the likelihood of its passage, which would include my non-support.

1) Special lol mention at Fris-post, heh.

2) THERE IS ALREADY A NATIONAL ISSUE FOR THIS ! ! !

3) Please explain if you could,

WHY DOES THIS NEED TO BE AN INTER-NATIONAL ISSUE AS N.S.U.N LAW ? ? ?

I tried it, but didn't get very far. But if you can get enough support then good for you....

If it helps, here is a copy of my old effort:

Smoking within the workplace

The General Assembly:

Determined that no individual has the right to inflict passive harm upon another, and citing article 5a of “Universal Freedom of Choice” which forbids an individual harming another through their own actions;

Fully aware of individuals personal right to consume any toxins legal within their nation;

Aware that non-smokers generally do not want to experience second-hand smoke in the workplace;

Determined to balance the potentially conflicting rights of individuals;

Noting that the effects of passive smoking may have been underestimated*, and further noting that research does need to be continued within the field;

Resolves the following:

Resolved that smoking is not permitted within any internal place of work – including but not limited to: offices, educational establishments, bars, restaurants;

Resolved that Smoking within public locations (excluding those listed above) remains under the legislative control of member states, as does legislation on all external locations;

Urges member states to contribute to research the health impacts of smoking and passive smoking;

Determined to remain seized on the matter.


*according to http://press.psprings.co.uk/bmj/june/passivesmoking.pdf

Determined that no individual has the right to inflict passive harm upon another, and citing article 5a of “Universal Freedom of Choice” which forbids an individual harming another through their own actions;

I that means that any form of pollution is to be prohibited, I'm for !!!

This one is pretty basic. Just wondering what kind of reaction such a proposal would recieve. This applies only to public places. Feedback would be appreciated before i try it out.

You might try just limiting it such that no smoking is allowed on any international flight between UN members. *shrug*

The basic idea would be that everybody on the flight is breathing the same air and many people on international flights represent a host of nations.

Though smoking is currently outlawed in Crossman, I cannot support this proposal. If is not right to force this opinion on all UN nations. Nations should have the free will to decide for themself whats good for their nations. Even though I am against smoking, I cannot be for this proposal.

WHY DOES THIS NEED TO BE AN INTER-NATIONAL ISSUE AS N.S.U.N LAW ? ? ?

My point exactly.

citing article 5a of “Universal Freedom of Choice” which forbids an individual harming another through their own actions;

No it doesn't.

5) Declares and enshrines in law the freedom of all people to make choices according to their own conscience, particularly with regard to their philosophy of life, social/cultural development and awareness of the world, without unreasonable interference from the State, subject to the following limitations:

a) The decisions taken do not directly inflict physical harm on the individual making them or physical or psychological harm on others; where this is the case, normal criminal law of the country in question applies,

As I read this, it means this: The UN will guarantee your right to choose unless you harm others. If your choice harms others, the UN doesn't guarantee the right to that choice (unless it's a choice dealt with by another resolution), but that doesn't mean you automatically can't make that choice. Your government can still give you the right, it's just that the UN won't force it to.

The UN cannot dictate what my citizens do and do not do with their health.

The UN cannot dictate what my citizens do and do not do with their health.

I see that we actually agree on something.

Absolutely. While, like Crossman, smoking is banned in the Theocracy of the Holy Word (like all addictive drugs) we see no need to force our views on other goverments.