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I know there's been a slew of these lately, but, please take some time to read over my draft proposal to eliminate this resolution from UN legislature before judging it as abhorrent like the rest of the poorly submitted ones.

The following elements must be taken into consideration in the repealing of “Axis of Evil” from United Nations legislation:

“As the world becomes a more dangerous place, UN member nations must act swiftly in the interests of peace.”

First, and foremost, the United Nations is not a body of international infiltration. By spreading the interests of “peace” without defining what the UN sees as the epitome and state of peace at any given time, any nation within the body can claim to seek peace in a given place within the world and attempt to both infiltrate and impose a lifestyle that is not in the interest of the people of said nation.

Therefore, the initial submission of this proposal – now current resolution – remains ambiguous and open to interpretation by each individual UN member rather than agreed upon by the entire body as a whole.

“This means, of course, building lots of new weapons.”

Second, since an “Axis of Evil” was never defined as specific targets, why does a nation and the UN as a whole, need to build a vast quantity and quality of weapons to deflect a target not even identified?

By building “new weapons,” as the resolution says, the UN is effectively engaging in an arm’s race that has the potential to create more conflict between members than it does in subduing potential, undefined, “evil” targets.

“Only by massively increasing military budgets world-wide will we be able to restore peace and global security.”

Third, another indefinable characteristic, per se, that the UN has ubiquitously thrown out to disguise that many nations just want to build weapons and spend money on there military for no other purpose than to have a standing military that might be considered among the great.

The term itself, “Axis of Evil,” advocates that this resolution defines certain entities as being “evil,” and as such, should be blacklisted by the United Nations as a whole; however, the original resolution does not even deal with the idea of an axis of evil, instead, it merely is a mask for defending itself from a “more dangerous place” in the world.

I support this repeal, and my regional U.N. Delegate is supporting the repeal of this resolution as well, to my knowledge.

You know, Tuesday Heights, no one has bothered to notice that NS' first resolution is technically illegal.

I have no problem with the 2-1 vote total. That's democracy. It could have been 1-0 for all I care, as long one person bothered to vote.

But "Fight the Axis" was passed on November 12, 2002. The NS United Nations came into existence the next day (November 13, 2002). "Fight the Axis," technically, can't be a UN resolution. It can be somebody's law, sure, but it can't be made to apply to UN nations whether there are three of them or 30,000 of them.

I like what you have so far, Tuesday Heights. Throw the UN technicality stuff into your draft if you like.

The anachronism is because the first resolution was a test resolution, made by Max, to check that the resolution mechanics worked properly.

The anachronism is because the first resolution was a test resolution, made by Max, to check that the resolution mechanics worked properly.

I suppose it would also work as a good test to check that the repeals work properly :)

Repeal "Fight the Axis of Evil"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #1
Proposed by: Solidus Cell

Description: UN Resolution #1: Fight the Axis of Evil (Category: International Security; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: This one really did sneak through. how can 3 votes decide what happens to the rest of the world??? there are thousands of nations and i want to know how 3 people are so infinitly skilled, as to know whats best for all of us.

Approvals: 44 (Markodonia, OMAPA-NAEN II, Tuesday Heights, Stephenartica, North Folder, Coolet, Dalmond, Corona Luminai, United Necromancers, The KGB - PRP, Humanitty, NewTexas, Tallaris, Moshington DC, Nireva, Lord Meatgrinder, Workers Communes, G128, La Commune Quebecoise, 133tness55, Wolf America, Oenkidenk, Yelda, Melmond, The Bruce, Nihilank, Ariddia, Jovianica, Keltie, Spirited Horses, Callisdrun, Slagkattunger, Holberg, Casluhim, Ferlandia, Saniuqa, Joven, Evil Woody Thoughts, Groot Gouda, Euroarabia, The Pointing Monkey, Narflezarpville, Covenancy, Barbers Shop)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 89 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue Oct 5 2004

The original resolution at debate here, just how many UN member nations did this original resolution affect? Are any of them still around? I doubt this resolution would do anything other than just remove the resolution from the game's history books, if you will. That cannot be done any more than removing Hitler from RL history books.

Really, I think this resolution should have the plug pulled, including any future resolutions like it.

I doubt this resolution would do anything other than just remove the resolution from the game's history books, if you will.[quote]

That's the whole point of a repeal.

[quote=Elliston]Really, I think this resolution should have the plug pulled, including any future resolutions like it.

It's funny how some people so vehemently campaigned for repeals and now that they're on the table, everyone's come out of the wood work to lobby against said repeals.

I support this repeal, and my regional U.N. Delegate is supporting the repeal of this resolution as well, to my knowledge.

My government also likes the text that Tuesday Heights provided. We don't settle for poor resolutions, so I don't see why we shouldn't expect high quality descriptions in our repeals as well.

Personally I'm suprised that nobody has submitted a repeal proposal on the grounds that this was a test and the mods simply forgot to delete it.

I going to make a second proposal to the UN about repealing this resolution. This resolution only received only three votes, but it pass. That don't make sense.

I going to make a second proposal to the UN about repealing this resolution. This resolution only received only three votes, but it pass. That don't make sense.
It's probably better to just enlist your support in this one for several reasons:

A)It's by Tuesday Heights, well experienced in the UN Tuesday Heights knows what to do when making resolutions.

B)The more cluttered and distracted the proposal list grows the harder it is for any proposal like this to be passed, however well drafted or written the proposal may be.

C)Some UN members are sticklers for grammar. "That don't make much sense" might raise some hackles.

If you agree that it needs to be repealed, this is probably your best chance at getting that to happen. The most likely way this will be repealed is if you support Tuesday Heights's proposal and give ideas and suggestions as to why you think it should be repealed here to further the discussion.

Personally I'm suprised that nobody has submitted a repeal proposal on the grounds that this was a test and the mods simply forgot to delete it.
Well, them's faulty grounds. There were no mods when the game went online, and we've never had the power to delete Resolutions, just proposals.

I fully support repealling this resolution - it's patent nonsense. Good test resolution, maybe, but if it affects the rest of us...

I'll throw things at my regional delegate :)

Good test resolution, maybe, but if it affects the rest of us...... which it doesn't.

isn't this against self determination? why do we affect soveranity of foreighner counties?

Misspellings corrected:
isn't this against self determination? why do we affect soveriegnity of foreigner countries?

Exactly, which is why I hope you are in support of a well-written proposal to repeal this resolution.

TH: how's the final draft coming? You can be sure to have my support, based on what I've seen so far.

P.S. Never mind, just saw draft #2... I like it!

isn't this against self determination? why do we affect soveranity of foreighner counties?
Well, that's pretty much what the UN does, you see.

Why do people always bring up national sovereignty? If you don't want the UN to tell you how to do things, resign. By joining you give the UN the power to tell you what to do. Every resolution tells a nation what it can or can't do. Every resolution infringes on national sovereignty. That's kinda the point.

Why do people always bring up national sovereignty? If you don't want the UN to tell you how to do things, resign. By joining you give the UN the power to tell you what to do. Every resolution tells a nation what it can or can't do. Every resolution infringes on national sovereignty. That's kinda the point.

That is the 64,000 Spice Melange question, isn't it? ;) (And a very good question ... for maybe gameplay as well???)

But I agree with your official opinion. Every resolution in the NSUN (and RLUN) does infringe upon national self-rule. The question we really should be asking is, "Does the way this resolution infringe upon national self-rule seem fair or unjust? If so, why?"

It would be much more helpful to discussion if people didn't just stop by waving a sovereignty flag around, but said why they feel each issue crosses a line, and then *gasp* explain where another line would exist that they are comfortable with.

I liked Tuesday Heights approach. That government told us that the problems with the first resolution lied in its lack of depth. What does it mean?

Don't worry about my grammar. You should worry about getting enough support to repeal this resolution.

James Martin
U.N. Represenative From the Republic of Nboa

Don't worry about my grammar. You should worry about getting enough support to repeal this resolution.

We have enough support for this resolution; nobody cares about your grammar.

Forget you.

I suppport all action against the axis of evil. However, I will not hand over ANY of my Biological, Chemical or Nuclear weapons. They are national defense, not used in terrorism acts to SUPPORT THE AXIS OF EVIL, I STRESS.

I liked Tuesday Heights approach. That government told us that the problems with the first resolution lied in its lack of depth.

I think that that is ot only one of the biggest flaws, but also the best reason for repeal. This is a two fold Argument:

1.)Why would the U.N. consider keeping a resolution that was passed by 3 people, poorly written (from the excerpts I have read), and has no depth. This is an example of the games slow beginings.

2.)Secondly, this just sets the bar soo low that any half wit with a pipe dream can gome in here and write a resolution without concern for how well it is written. This cannot stand.

Ride the wave of Knowledge . . .

1.)Why would the U.N. consider keeping a resolution that was passed by 3 people, poorly written (from the excerpts I have read), and has no depth. This is an example of the games slow beginings.

As previously stated, this was a "test" resolution to make sure the United Nations resolution process worked properly; "Maxtopia" was formerly Max Barry's nation.

2.)Secondly, this just sets the bar soo low that any half wit with a pipe dream can gome in here and write a resolution without concern for how well it is written. This cannot stand.

That is why I've written this repeal in the way it was written, I'd like to set the bar of how a repeal is worded, formatted, and gone about.

I've submitted it to the queue for delegate's approval or disapproval, please, support accordingly.