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Epidemic Prevention Protocol
Description: Globalization, international trade and advanced transportation systems accelerate the spreading pace of diseases and make every nation vulnerable. We need a solution to this problem : Epidemic Prevention Protocol
1. Every Nation is obliged to inform international community of every epidemic outbreak and try to isolate it.
2. Every Nation is obliged to help the particular Nation which is hit by the outbreak. An international organization should be formed upon this reason.
3. Every Nation has the right to quarantine any inbound passenger and potential-pathogen-carrier-cargo from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
4. Every Nation has the right to ban import of food- and medical-product which is suspected to be a potential-pathogen-carrier from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
5. Recommending the forming of International Health Agency
(Please reread point two)

What diseases are covered by this?

What diseases are covered by this?
All contagious diseases which can cause epidemic.
Definition of epidemic :
affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time

All contagious diseases which can cause epidemic.
Definition of epidemic :
affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time

(Before I start, don't misunderstand me. I support the idea of this proposal, but there are some questions that I have before I will support the implementation)

What level of infection will class as an epidemic? I know for some diseases it is not a matter of level - one case of ebola should probably be treated with the same level of seriousness as one thousand. But influenza can also rise to epidemic levels, or just infect one person. So would I be required to inform the international community if one person comes down with it, or one thousand?

I realise all this seems pedentic, but you are asking the UN Nations to enact laws that will require a lot of monitoring and regulation. And if my nation's doctors are required to jump at the first sign of infection when it might be nothing more than a sniffle then it could put a huge, if not intolerable, strain on my health system.

Per Rights and Duties of UN States (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7030090&postcount=50)Article 3
§ Every UN Member State has the duty to refrain from unrequested intervention in the internal or external economic, political, religious, and social affairs of any other NationState, subject to the immunities recognized by international law. Unless you want accusations of Invasion, you need to recognize that the nation with the problem must invite other nations or the UN as a whole to come help them. The UN does not have the unilateral right to interfere without invitation.

Per Rights and Duties of UN States (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7030090&postcount=50)Unless you want accusations of Invasion, you need to recognize that the nation with the problem must invite other nations or the UN as a whole to come help them. The UN does not have the unilateral right to interfere without invitation.
Your suggestion is not relevant because :
1.The Nation with the problem logically would asking for help.
2.There is a lot of ways to help and by a lot of means, that
it can never be misunderstood as a act of agression.
a)The humanitarian help can be sent by civil mean, like commercial freight / commercial flight.
b)Scientific help or sending physicians (medical doctors)
c) Financial aid
3. No sane leader would reject help for his/her people.

The Nation with the problem logically would asking for help. . . NS nations are not known for using logic
There is a lot of ways to help and by a lot of means, that it can never be misunderstood as a act of agression. . . Anything can be mistaken for agression
The humanitarian help can be sent by civil mean, like commercial freight / commercial flight. . . . how is that relevant?
Scientific help or sending physicians (medical doctors). . . Uh huh. So? They still have to land in the nation in question.
Financial aid. . . Quite possible, but not axiomatic
No sane leader would reject help for his/her people.. . . NS leaders are not known for their sanity.

Huaren, I'm not knocking your list of reasonable and responsible actions. All I'm saying is that this proposal needs to recognize EXISTING law and allow for it. All it would take would be :

1.a) Any nation threatened with epidemic is strongly advised to request UN assistance.

If Decisive Action or Automagfreek had an epidemic, they would most certainly turn down random offers for assistance, as their borders are held most solidly against outside interference. Their megamanaical leaders would be convinced that the outbreak would be contained by internal means, and they'd probably shoot down aid flights and send armies against the nations who sent them.

If a nation refuses to admit outside help, all you can do is place that nation under quarantine, close the borders, and hope you can keep it from spreading outside. That may not be the ideal solution, but it is realistic.

Finally, Huaren's comments were common sense. You must NEVER assume common sense exists when crafting laws, because common sense is anything but common. For laws to function, they must EXPLICITLY spell out their aims and methodologies, lest the loophole lawyers tear them apart. That's also not ideal, but realistic.

The nation with the epidemic might not ask for help, they might be trying to create an army of plague zombies for instance. Then they could send out ships/planes/trucks of these zombies to enemy nations, infect the populous then move in with cleanup teams and takeover the opposing nation. Hey, good idea....

(Before I start, don't misunderstand me. I support the idea of this proposal, but there are some questions that I have before I will support the implementation)
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I tried to answer you three times, but every times I already written so much, the system did not lodge the message in and asking me for password again. (I have given it before) Let see if this post will do lodge.

Unless you want accusations of Invasion, you need to recognize that the nation with the problem must invite other nations or the UN as a whole to come help them. The UN does not have the unilateral right to interfere without invitation.

Isn't there an arguement to be made that in cases of disease that are so serious they threaten not just the nation, but all the surrounding nations and possibly the world, that the UN has a duty to step in to help, regardless of whether the nation wants it or not?

I know - national soverignty. This could be used as a pretext or an excuse to invade another country - going in to save it on medical grounds. But it was just a thought.

[QUOTE=TilEnca
What level of infection will class as an epidemic? I know for some diseases it is not a matter of level - one case of ebola should probably be treated with the same level of seriousness as one thousand. But influenza can also rise to epidemic levels, or just infect one person. So would I be required to inform the international community if one person comes down with it, or one thousand?

.[/QUOTE]
I break the answers to two parts.
Here is the answer of your question : What level of infection will class as an epidemic ?
First I have to quote again the definition of epidemic :

affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time

So your argument of "...,or just infect one person" is irrelevant.

There is no exact number of the lower limit of individuals infected to be classified as epidemic. As it differ from case to case.
It depend on the capability of the government to handle the patients. If it exceed the government capability, it is definitely an epidemic.
For example :
SARS disease infected individuals from a sub-tropic country A
We have to look at the details carefully.
Eventhough the country A is a well developed country with
notably good health system.
Country A has a limit of 100 patients it can handle with its
hospitals and medical personals.
Why ? For example because Country A has only one hospitals specialized in containing contagious disease and limited personals to handle it.
So if more than 100 individuals in country A infected with SARS, it is definetely an epidemic.
I will bring another example in another post.

Your suggestion is not relevant because :
1.The Nation with the problem logically would asking for help.
3. No sane leader would reject help for his/her people.

(OOC - this comes from a tv show, but please don't dismiss it because of that)

(back in character)

Suppose there was a disease called The Wrath. This was a hugely contagious disease that pretty much killed everyone, and had (say) at 96% infection rate. But the Nation it infected considered it a sign that they were impure - unworthy before their gods.

In this situation I can see that the nation's leaders would not want to tell anyone that this disease was rampaging through their people. They would burn the dead and deal with it internally. They would not inform the UN, and most likely would consider any forced intervention just that - forced and unwanted.

Also, in a much less obvious way, if the disease is found mostly in a nation's "lower classes" then the government might not class curing it as a high priority.

I don't condone either of these examples, but both nations would claim their right to soveriegnty, which is not something the UN should be over turning.

So if more than 100 individuals in country A infected with SARS, it is definetely an epidemic.


So the definition of epidemic varies from nation to nation? So that a 'flu epidemic in my nation might not be an epidemic in the next nation?

I can live with that.

Isn't there an arguement to be made that in cases of disease that are so serious they threaten not just the nation, but all the surrounding nations and possibly the world, that the UN has a duty to step in to help, regardless of whether the nation wants it or not?

Indeed. I'd also say there might well be a case for forced intervention for the sake of the human rights of the ill, if their government refuses to try and help them for whatever reason.

And as far as Rights and Duties goes, I would have thought that the part I have bolded means that if UN legislation allowed unrequested intervention, it would be legal:

Article 3
§ Every UN Member State has the duty to refrain from unrequested intervention in the internal or external economic, political, religious, and social affairs of any other NationState, subject to the immunities recognized by international law.

But this proposal does need to be more clear.

Indeed. I'd also say there might well be a case for forced intervention for the sake of the human rights of the ill, if their government refuses to try and help them for whatever reason.


But the problem with that is if you can intervene on medical grounds, and justify it as a human rights issue, then on what other grounds can you intervene for human rights? And how far does the phrase "medical grounds" extend?

Not that I could imagine any country being so low as to invade a nation that is suffering an epidemic of massive proportions :}

So the definition of epidemic varies from nation to nation? So that a 'flu epidemic in my nation might not be an epidemic in the next nation?

I can live with that.

I realise that quoting myself is bad form, but something occurred to me.

What if my nation is suffering from a lot of cases of (say) mumps. Far more than we could possibly handle. Our hospitals are overloaded and all in all things are going very, very badly.

Now the nation next to me could help if I asked, and under this proposal would be permitted to help if I announce to the UN that this is an epidemic. But I do not want help from them (for whatever reason).

Would I be permitted to refuse help from that nation? Can I pick and chose which nations come to my aid? Because if I knew that I couldn't, I would just refuse to declare a mumps epidemic and consequently refuse to let the UN force help upon me.

Would this proposal permit me to chose who helps my people?

[QUOTE=TilEnca?

I realise all this seems pedentic, but you are asking the UN Nations to enact laws that will require a lot of monitoring and regulation. And if my nation's doctors are required to jump at the first sign of infection when it might be nothing more than a sniffle then it could put a huge, if not intolerable, strain on my health system.[/QUOTE]
Why the protocol wil require a lot of monitoring & regulation ?
Why the protocol will require your doctors to jump at first sign of infection ? Who require that ?

I realise that quoting myself is bad form, but something occurred to me.

What if my nation is suffering from a lot of cases of (say) mumps. Far more than we could possibly handle. Our hospitals are overloaded and all in all things are going very, very badly.

Now the nation next to me could help if I asked, and under this proposal would be permitted to help if I announce to the UN that this is an epidemic. But I do not want help from them (for whatever reason).

Would I be permitted to refuse help from that nation? Can I pick and chose which nations come to my aid? Because if I knew that I couldn't, I would just refuse to declare a mumps epidemic and consequently refuse to let the UN force help upon me.

Would this proposal permit me to chose who helps my people?

First I have to emphasize that the protocol would not affect your sovereignity. This protocol is for humanitarian cause, not with any political motive. You have the right to refuse help from any country. But you can not afford to refuse help from every country. No regime in this world can afford that, your people would revolt against you.

Yes , of course you can choose the country who will help you. You have the right to refuse help from some countries. The protocol only mention that every nations obliged to give help to nation where the outbreak occur, never mention that the nation where the outbreak occur is obliged to receive help.
It only obliged to inform the intenational community that epidemic is happened and try to contain it. There is also never be a penalty for not able to contain. Hey, if you try it, it is fine, whether it will succeed or not it is not depending on your nation only.

Indeed. I'd also say there might well be a case for forced intervention for the sake of the human rights of the ill, if their government refuses to try and help them for whatever reason.

And as far as Rights and Duties goes, I would have thought that the part I have bolded means that if UN legislation allowed unrequested intervention, it would be legal:



But this proposal does need to be more clear.

This Protocol is of humanitarian nature and it will never
affect any nation's sovereignity. It is help not intervention,
if the particular nation refuse the help it is its right. But bear in mind that no regime in this world can afford it to refuse help from every nation, the people would revolt against the ruler. It is not mentioned that the nation which is hit by the epidemic have to receive help, it is only mentioned that every other nation is obliged to give help.
This Protocol never advise a forced intervention as long as
the Nation has fulfilled the point one :
inform the intenational community and try to contain the epidemic.

Per Rights and Duties of UN States (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7030090&postcount=50)Unless you want accusations of Invasion, you need to recognize that the nation with the problem must invite other nations or the UN as a whole to come help them. The UN does not have the unilateral right to interfere without invitation.

Bear in mind that the Protocol never advising an intervention! Point two of the protocol is to oblige the other nations not hit by the outbreak to GIVE help, but it never mention that the nation hit by the outbreak is obliged to RECIEVE the help. So if the nation refuse, it is its right.
Therefore, the Protocol would never affect the souvereignity of UN Members ! Maybe I should use the word to OFFER help , to be precise. Pardon me for not being a native speaker. Don't dismiss this proposal only due to the fact that the one who propose is not a English native speaker.

Regarding the comment of Frisbeeteria of inviting other nation to help; it is not as simple as that. You have to consider the cultural aspect, some nations (which have different culture as your nation) maybe too proud to ask for help; inviting other country to help is another form of asking for help. But this does not imply that they would defenitely refuse help, if helps are offered, they may gladly receive it.

Maybe I should use the word to OFFER help , to be precise. Pardon me for not being a native speaker. Don't dismiss this proposal only due to the fact that the one who propose is not a English native speaker.
Precisely why it should be brought to the forums for review and possible edits. It's a good idea with a few minor problems.

Criticism isn't necessarily meant to be negative. Since most proposals rarely get approved the first time through, you might want to incorporate some of the suggestions here before resubmitting.

If any provision allowing the UN to enter my nation without permission for any reason is added, I will vote against this resolution.

That being said, the basic resolution itself isn't a bad idea.

Why the protocol wil require a lot of monitoring & regulation ?
Why the protocol will require your doctors to jump at first sign of infection ? Who require that ?


Sorry - that was in relation to what defined an epidemic. Since you answered that you can ignore it from now on :}

First I have to emphasize that the protocol would not affect your sovereignity. This protocol is for humanitarian cause, not with any political motive. You have the right to refuse help from any country. But you can not afford to refuse help from every country. No regime in this world can afford that, your people would revolt against you.

As helpful as this proposal sounds, I would remind you that I know the people of my nation better than you do.

Having said that I am not suggesting that this proposal would disrupt the ruling of my country. But my government was elected to decide how the country would be run. By forcing me to accept outside help you are taking that choice out of my hands. There might be very good reasons for why I would not want anyone to come in to my country to treat an illness.

If this was all voluntary - if I was not REQUIRED to ask for help but allowed to then I would have no problem.

Yes , of course you can choose the country who will help you. You have the right to refuse help from some countries. The protocol only mention that every nations obliged to give help to nation where the outbreak occur, never mention that the nation where the outbreak occur is obliged to receive help.
It only obliged to inform the intenational community that epidemic is happened and try to contain it. There is also never be a penalty for not able to contain. Hey, if you try it, it is fine, whether it will succeed or not it is not depending on your nation only.

Then I have no problem with it. However may I advise making the language more specific and clear - if I could misread it then someone else could, and misuse the good intentions of the proposal to do ill.

(OOC - this is not meant to be insulting or rude. I understand English is not your first language. I am only trying to be helpful, so that the good will behind this proposal can become law across the UN, and make the world a better place!)

To all who have contributed so far:
Thank you for the critics.

If any provision allowing the UN to enter my nation without permission for any reason is added, I will vote against this resolution.

That being said, the basic resolution itself isn't a bad idea.

If you read carefully, there is no point in the protocol which affect your sovereignity. Be assured, no one would be allowed to enter your territory without permission.

Epidemic Prevention Protocol
Description: Globalization, international trade and advanced transportation systems accelerate the spreading pace of contagious diseases and make every nation vulnerable. We need a solution to this problem :
Epidemic Prevention Protocol
1. Every Nation is obliged to inform international community of every epidemic outbreak and try to isolate it.
2. Every Nation is obliged to offer help the particular Nation which is hit by the outbreak. An international organization should be formed upon this reason.
3. Every Nation has the right to quarantine any inbound passenger and potential-pathogen-carrier-cargo from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
4. Every Nation has the right to ban import of food- and medical-product which is suspected to be a potential-pathogen-carrier from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
5. Recommending the forming of International Health Agency
(Please reread point two)

Explanation :
1.Definition of Epidemic :
affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time
2. Statement of Sovereignity Assurance:
This Protocol is humanitarian in nature. Sovereignity of each UN Member is guaranteed

Further critics to the Draft are welcomed !

If you read carefully, there is no point in the protocol which affect your sovereignity. Be assured, no one would be allowed to enter your territory without permission.

Having sorted that part out, there is something else that occurred to me. While mine is not one of them, there are any number of nations out there that are litigation happy, and would gladly sue a doctor for anything that goes wrong, whether the doctor is truly at fault or not.

Would the doctors from another country be exempt from such litigation? My nation believes in accountability, but not to the extent of latinum piece law suits for punative damages. And so, despite the humanitarian nature of this proposal, my doctors might be unwilling to practice medicine in another country if they risk being sued for more money than they have.

(OOC - this comes from a tv show, but please don't dismiss it because of that)

(back in character)

Suppose there was a disease called The Wrath. This was a hugely contagious disease that pretty much killed everyone, and had (say) at 96% infection rate. But the Nation it infected considered it a sign that they were impure - unworthy before their gods.

In this situation I can see that the nation's leaders would not want to tell anyone that this disease was rampaging through their people. They would burn the dead and deal with it internally. They would not inform the UN, and most likely would consider any forced intervention just that - forced and unwanted.

Also, in a much less obvious way, if the disease is found mostly in a nation's "lower classes" then the government might not class curing it as a high priority.

I don't condone either of these examples, but both nations would claim their right to soveriegnty, which is not something the UN should be over turning.

First let us call the Nation which infected by Wrath in your story Nation A. They think this is a sign they are unworthy before their gods and therefore afraid of losing face.
Here we are confronted with the questions:
1.for what purpose we formed the United Nations ? or For what purpose does United Nations exist ?
2.For what purpose is this Nation A joined the United Nations ?
3. Is there any conflict of interest between answer 1 and answer 2 ? If the answer is yes, then we should recommend that either Nation A follow the United Nations resolutions or it can opt to quit.
I don't know yet how to express it more accurately in the protocol ( please read the draft 1.1) that it intend to be a humanitarian cause not to interfere with other nation internal affairs. But possibility of conflict would exist for such extreme cases, and surely Nation A would likely vote against the proposal.

Further critics to the Draft are welcomed !
You've got a number of English-as-a-second-language grammer mistakes, and I've got some thoughts on rewriting it. Unforunately, I don't have time for that right now.

I'd highly recommend waiting until somebody does a complete redraft before submitting. You will have trouble passing this without clearer definitions. Don't worry, you'll be the one submitting, but there are lots of UN regulars who would be happy to help out with the phrasing.

Having sorted that part out, there is something else that occurred to me. While mine is not one of them, there are any number of nations out there that are litigation happy, and would gladly sue a doctor for anything that goes wrong, whether the doctor is truly at fault or not.

Would the doctors from another country be exempt from such litigation? My nation believes in accountability, but not to the extent of latinum piece law suits for punative damages. And so, despite the humanitarian nature of this proposal, my doctors might be unwilling to practice medicine in another country if they risk being sued for more money than they have.

The dimension and dynamics of the minds of various nations are interesting. Some can be considered crazy.
Thank you for bringing this topic up.
This lead to another proposal : we need an International Tribunal.
To solve this (without the International Tribunal thing) we have to insert another point in the protocol :

6. Foreign entities and individuals who conduct humanitarian help according to this protocol if allowed to enter the territory of the nation being helped to be granted diplomatic immunity

You've got a number of English-as-a-second-language grammer mistakes, and I've got some thoughts on rewriting it. Unforunately, I don't have time for that right now.

I'd highly recommend waiting until somebody does a complete redraft before submitting. You will have trouble passing this without clearer definitions. Don't worry, you'll be the one submitting, but there are lots of UN regulars who would be happy to help out with the phrasing.

Thank you. I hope noone is offended by my fierce defense of the idea of the protocol. It is indeed interesting having the original idea refined this way.

Epidemic Prevention Protocol
Description: Globalization, international trade and advanced transportation systems accelerate the spreading pace of contagious diseases and make every nation vulnerable. We need a solution to this problem :
Epidemic Prevention Protocol
1. Every Nation is obliged to inform international community of every epidemic outbreak and try to isolate it.
2. Every Nation is obliged to offer help the particular Nation which is hit by the outbreak. An international organization should be formed upon this reason.
3. Every Nation has the right to quarantine any inbound passenger and potential-pathogen-carrier-cargo from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
4. Every Nation has the right to ban import of food- and medical-product which is suspected to be a potential-pathogen-carrier from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
5. Recommending the forming of International Health Agency
(Please reread point two)
6. Foreign entities and individuals who conduct humanitarian help according to this protocol if allowed to enter the territory of the nation being helped to be granted diplomatic immunity

Explanation :
1.Definition of Epidemic :
affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time
2. Statement of Sovereignity Assurance:
This Protocol is humanitarian in nature. Sovereignity of each UN Member is guaranteed.

Contagious Diseases Epidemic Prevention Protocol

Description:
Globalization, international trade and advanced transportation systems accelerate the spreading pace of contagious diseases and make every nation vulnerable. We need a solution to this problem :
Contagious Disease Epidemic Prevention Protocol

1. Every Nation is obliged to inform international community of every epidemic outbreak and try to isolate it.
2. Every Nation is obliged to offer help the particular Nation which is hit by the outbreak. An international organization should be formed upon this reason.
3. Every Nation has the right to quarantine any inbound passenger and potential-pathogen-carrier-cargo from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
4. Every Nation has the right to ban import of food- and medical-product which is suspected to be a potential-pathogen-carrier from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
5. Recommending the forming of International Health Agency
(Please reread point two)
6. Foreign entities and individuals who conduct humanitarian help according to this protocol if allowed to enter the territory of the nation being helped to be granted diplomatic immunity

Explanation :
1.Definition of Epidemic :
affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time
2. Statement of Sovereignity Assurance:
This Protocol is humanitarian in nature. Sovereignity of each UN Member is guaranteed.
3. Animal to Human Contagious Disease:
If contagious disease suffered by animal can be spread to human and there is proven case that human have been infected, the nation should refer to point 1 of the protocol.

The dimension and dynamics of the minds of various nations are interesting. Some can be considered crazy.
Thank you for bringing this topic up.
This lead to another proposal : we need an International Tribunal.
To solve this (without the International Tribunal thing) we have to insert another point in the protocol :

6. Foreign entities and individuals who conduct humanitarian help according to this protocol if allowed to enter the territory of the nation being helped to be granted diplomatic immunity

But diplomatic immunity covers all sorts of things. To what extent would this immunity cover the people? (This is all starting to sound like the "Good Samaritan" proposal debate elsewhere in this forum. Can I suggest taking a look at that proposal for further advice? Or maybe talking to the author of that proposal for either advice, or possibly combining your two proposals?)

Contagious Diseases Epidemic Prevention Protocol

Description:
Globalization, international trade and advanced transportation systems accelerate the spreading pace of contagious diseases and make every nation vulnerable. We need a solution to this problem :
Contagious Disease Epidemic Prevention Protocol

1. Every Nation is obliged to inform international community of every epidemic outbreak and try to isolate it.
2. Every Nation is obliged to offer (humanitarian) help the particular Nation which is hit by the outbreak. An international organization should be formed upon this reason.
3. Every Nation has the right to quarantine any inbound passenger and potential-pathogen-carrier-cargo from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
4. Every Nation has the right to ban import of food- and medical-product which is suspected to be a potential-pathogen-carrier from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
5. Recommending the forming of International Health Agency
(Please reread point two)
6. Foreign entities and individuals who conduct humanitarian help according to this protocol if allowed to enter the territory of the nation being helped to be granted diplomatic immunity

Explanation :
1.Definition of Epidemic :
affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time
2. Statement of Sovereignity Assurance:
This Protocol is humanitarian in nature. Sovereignity of each UN Member is guaranteed.
3. Animal to Human Contagious Disease:
If contagious disease suffered by animal can be spread to human and there is proven case that human have been infected, the nation should refer to point 1 of the protocol.
4. Recommended method for (humanitarian) help :
First step : consult the recipient nation whether it would accept the offer
Second step : consult the recipient regarding the type of the aid
Third step : consult the recipient regarding the method to deliver the aid
Fourth step : If agreement reached of all of the previous steps , conduct the aid

Type of aids:
a) Financial aid
b) Medicament and Food should be sent by civil transportation means. In the case that there is an option to use military transportation means, the recipient should be consulted. If it is agreed upon, the donor can send them.
c) Medical Training ( in case of military medical personals read point b)
d) Medical Personals (in case of military medical personals read point b)
e) Scientific cooperation; Technology transfer

Contagious Diseases Epidemic Prevention Protocol

Description:
Globalization, international trade and advanced transportation systems accelerate the spreading pace of contagious diseases and make every nation vulnerable. We need a solution to this problem :
Contagious Disease Epidemic Prevention Protocol

1. Every Nation is obliged to inform international community of every epidemic outbreak and try to isolate it.
2. Every Nation is obliged to offer (humanitarian) help the particular Nation which is hit by the outbreak. An international organization should be formed upon this reason.
3. Every Nation has the right to quarantine any inbound passenger and potential-pathogen-carrier-cargo from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
4. Every Nation has the right to ban import of food- and medical-product which is suspected to be a potential-pathogen-carrier from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
5. Recommending the forming of International Health Agency
(Please reread point two)
6. Foreign entities and individuals who conduct humanitarian help according to this protocol if allowed to enter the territory of the nation being helped to be granted juridicial immunity

Explanation :
1.Definition of Epidemic :
affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time
2. Statement of Sovereignity Assurance:
This Protocol is humanitarian in nature. Sovereignity of each UN Member is guaranteed.
3. Animal to Human Contagious Disease:
If contagious disease suffered by animal can be spread to human and there is proven case that human have been infected, the nation should refer to point 1 of the protocol.
4. Recommended method for (humanitarian) help :
First step : consult the recipient nation whether it would accept the offer
Second step : consult the recipient regarding the type of the aid
Third step : consult the recipient regarding the method to deliver the aid
Fourth step : If agreement reached of all of the previous steps , conduct the aid

Type of aids:
a) Financial aid
b) Medicament and Food should be sent by civil transportation means. In the case that there is an option to use military transportation means, the recipient should be consulted. If it is agreed upon, the donor can send them.
c) Medical Training ( in case of military medical personals read point b)
d) Medical Personals (in case of military medical personals read point b)
e) Scientific cooperation; Technology transfer

5. On juridicial immunity :
Any act to conduct the aid is protected by the juridicial
immunity.

But diplomatic immunity covers all sorts of things. To what extent would this immunity cover the people? (This is all starting to sound like the "Good Samaritan" proposal debate elsewhere in this forum. Can I suggest taking a look at that proposal for further advice? Or maybe talking to the author of that proposal for either advice, or possibly combining your two proposals?)

I would look on the proposal (Good Samaritan) . I admit the idea of diplomatic immunity is too broad. The juridicial immunity is still not precisely explained. Need some help.

In regard to draft 1.5

Wow - I am really impressed. I know it sounds like sarcasm, but it really isn't - I am very, very impressed at your determination and ability to write this to such an extent that it has answered all of my questions (I believe - see note).

I will support this proposal when it comes to a vote.

(Note - I have been reading this for most of the day now, and my brain has collapsed from all the drafts and revisions and debates. So I will take another look at it over the next few days, and see if there are any outstanding questions. I don't think there will be!)

Again - well done :}

This is a very interesting and timely topic but if you don't mind, I would like to make some comments about each point.



1. Every Nation is obliged to inform international community of every epidemic outbreak and try to isolate it.

Since the mandatory reporting of disease information is forbidden by my country's law, we do not have any statistics on epidemics. And to require mandatory reporting would be a gross invasion of individual privacy, as well as a violation of our national sovereignty.

2. Every Nation is obliged to offer help the particular Nation which is hit by the outbreak. An international organization should be formed upon this reason.

The international organization sounds like a good idea, but our nation would urge that both participation and the nature of that participation should be voluntary. We can not support any automatic diversion of our citizens taxes to a foreign power. Rather, donations should be motivated by humanitarian concerns and the international organization would gather donations and provide direct assistance to afflicted nations.

3. Every Nation has the right to quarantine any inbound passenger and potential-pathogen-carrier-cargo from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.

I think this is already part of our national sovereignty, so I wonder if it needs to be included in the proposal?

4. Every Nation has the right to ban import of food- and medical-product which is suspected to be a potential-pathogen-carrier from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.

Again, I think this is part of our national sovereignty and do not think we need to include it in the proposal.

5. Recommending the forming of International Health Agency
(Please reread point two)

Hear, hear! And maybe we should spell out the size of the organization and the scope of its actions?

6. Foreign entities and individuals who conduct humanitarian help according to this protocol if allowed to enter the territory of the nation being helped to be granted diplomatic immunity

I am thinking that any humanitarian assistance will be delivered with the active permission and assistance of the host nation. A blanket immunity issued to anyone claiming to be a humanitarian aid-giver is very very worrisome.

But I think the proposal is shaping up! :)
(Although we might need a more medically stringent definition of epidemic.)

In regard to draft 1.5

Wow - I am really impressed. I know it sounds like sarcasm, but it really isn't - I am very, very impressed at your determination and ability to write this to such an extent that it has answered all of my questions (I believe - see note).

I will support this proposal when it comes to a vote.

(Note - I have been reading this for most of the day now, and my brain has collapsed from all the drafts and revisions and debates. So I will take another look at it over the next few days, and see if there are any outstanding questions. I don't think there will be!)

Again - well done :}

Thank you a lot. The good samaritan has a better method to express and very formal, i am impressed, i have to improve this draft, thanks for your suggestion.

This is a very interesting and timely topic but if you don't mind, I would like to make some comments about each point.

Since the mandatory reporting of disease information is forbidden by my country's law, we do not have any statistics on epidemics. And to require mandatory reporting would be a gross invasion of individual privacy, as well as a violation of our national sovereignty.


The international organization sounds like a good idea, but our nation would urge that both participation and the nature of that participation should be voluntary. We can not support any automatic diversion of our citizens taxes to a foreign power. Rather, donations should be motivated by humanitarian concerns and the international organization would gather donations and provide direct assistance to afflicted nations.



I think this is already part of our national sovereignty, so I wonder if it needs to be included in the proposal?



Again, I think this is part of our national sovereignty and do not think we need to include it in the proposal.



Hear, hear! And maybe we should spell out the size of the organization and the scope of its actions?



I am thinking that any humanitarian assistance will be delivered with the active permission and assistance of the host nation. A blanket immunity issued to anyone claiming to be a humanitarian aid-giver is very very worrisome.

But I think the proposal is shaping up! :)
(Although we might need a more medically stringent definition of epidemic.)

Could you please read the latest version , Draft version 1.5
Thank you. Some points , like the diplomatic immunity clause have changed. I welcome your critics.

Regarding the comment of Frisbeeteria of inviting other nation to help; it is not as simple as that. You have to consider the cultural aspect, some nations (which have different culture as your nation) maybe too proud to ask for help; inviting other country to help is another form of asking for help. But this does not imply that they would defenitely refuse help, if helps are offered, they may gladly receive it.

In the situation of a real NationStates armed conflict between the Holy Empire of Water Cooler (HEWC) and Caselonia, Caselonia specifically asked its allies for help. HEWC put out a general call for aid from capitalist socities. Though my government is a capitalist society, the evidence available to my government suggests that HEWC started the conflict and is in violation of one or more UN resolutions.

Though the HEWC is not a UN member, even if Caselonia's allies (which are UN members) were to need help, they would have to request it. This did not stop my government from offering humanitarian aid to all parties involved.

My point, if your government feels it has a moral obligation to pick sides or get involved (and even supplying medicines and foods is a level of involvement), your government only needs to make the offer. The Rights and Duties resolution does not prohibit this.

Since the mandatory reporting of disease information is forbidden by my country's law, we do not have any statistics on epidemics. And to require mandatory reporting would be a gross invasion of individual privacy, as well as a violation of our national sovereignty.

The international organization sounds like a good idea, but our nation would urge that both participation and the nature of that participation should be voluntary. We can not support any automatic diversion of our citizens taxes to a foreign power. Rather, donations should be motivated by humanitarian concerns and the international organization would gather donations and provide direct assistance to afflicted nations.

I think this is already part of our national sovereignty, so I wonder if it needs to be included in the proposal?

Again, I think this is part of our national sovereignty and do not think we need to include it in the proposal.

Hear, hear! And maybe we should spell out the size of the organization and the scope of its actions?

I am thinking that any humanitarian assistance will be delivered with the active permission and assistance of the host nation. A blanket immunity issued to anyone claiming to be a humanitarian aid-giver is very very worrisome.

But I think the proposal is shaping up! :)
(Although we might need a more medically stringent definition of epidemic.)

Regarding your comment on first clause, it is a conflict of interest. The individual right and sovereignity of nation is limited by the individual right of other individual and the sovereignity of other nation.
For not informing other nation/international community,
your nation expose individuals of other nations to the harm of the contagious disease. Therefore your nation violated the basic human right of those individuals of living a healthy life. Finally by concealing the fact that there is a hazard of visiting certain region of your country , your nation's behaviour conflicting with the commitment of the foreign nations to protect their citizen, thus violating their sovereignity too.

Thank you for considering my suggestions! I have read draft 1.5 and have a few comments.

Maybe the first point should say "urged" rather than "obliged" to inform the international community? The part about "try to isolate it" perhaps that should say something like "to use all prudent medical interventions to isolate the epidemic."

I am thinking that the second and fifth point can be merged. Perhaps it could read something like "The International Health Agency (IHA) will be formed to offer assistance to any Nation hit by the outbreak." "The IHA will gather donations and coordinate the delivery of medical assistance to aid in the control of epidemics upon the request of affected Nations."

I really don't understand what you mean in point six, but it could be next.

And I will be a stick-in-the-mud and say again that I think that points 3 and 4 are not needed because they are already part of each nation's sovereignty.

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Mikitivity, your capability to express and formulate a proposal is remarkable. English, being not my mother tongue and not my current first foreign language, is quite difficult for me. I will follow your example. TilEnca has recommended me to read your proposal.
Please read my latest draft version (1.5) and comment on it. Thank you

Thank you for considering my suggestions! I have read draft 1.5 and have a few comments.

Maybe the first point should say "urged" rather than "obliged" to inform the international community? The part about "try to isolate it" perhaps that should say something like "to use all prudent medical interventions to isolate the epidemic."

I am thinking that the second and fifth point can be merged. Perhaps it could read something like "The International Health Agency (IHA) will be formed to offer assistance to any Nation hit by the outbreak." "The IHA will gather donations and coordinate the delivery of medical assistance to aid in the control of epidemics upon the request of affected Nations."

I really don't understand what you mean in point six, but it could be next.

And I will be a stick-in-the-mud and say again that I think that points 3 and 4 are not needed because they are already part of each nation's sovereignty.

e
Contagious Diseases Epidemic Prevention Protocol

Description:
Globalization, international trade and advanced transportation systems accelerate the spreading pace of contagious diseases and make every nation vulnerable. We need a solution to this problem :
Contagious Disease Epidemic Prevention Protocol

1. Every Nation is obliged to inform international community of every epidemic outbreak and try to isolate it.
2. International Health Agency (IHA) will be formed to offer assistance to any Nation hit by contagious disease outbreak (recipient). The IHA will manage donation and its distribution to recipent upon request of the recipient.
3. Every Nation has the right to quarantine any inbound passenger and potential-pathogen-carrier-cargo from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
4. Every Nation has the right to ban import of food- and medical-product which is suspected to be a potential-pathogen-carrier from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
5. Foreign entities and individuals who conduct humanitarian help according to this protocol if allowed to enter the territory of the nation being helped to be granted juridicial immunity

Explanation :
1.Definition of Epidemic :
affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time
2. Statement of Sovereignity Assurance:
This Protocol is humanitarian in nature. Sovereignity of each UN Member is guaranteed.
3. Animal to Human Contagious Disease:
If contagious disease suffered by animal can be spread to human and there is proven case that human have been infected, the nation should refer to point 1 of the protocol.
4. Recommended method for (humanitarian) donation :
First step : consult the recipient nation whether it would accept the offer
Second step : consult the recipient regarding the type of the aid
Third step : consult the recipient regarding the method to deliver the aid
Fourth step : If agreement reached of all of the previous steps , conduct the aid

Type of donations:
a) Financial aid
b) Medicament and Food should be sent by civil transportation means. In the case that there is an option to use military transportation means, the recipient should be consulted. If it is agreed upon, the donor can send them.
c) Medical Training ( in case of military medical personals read point b)
d) Medical Personals (in case of military medical personals read point b)
e) Scientific cooperation; Technology transfer

5. On juridicial immunity :
Any act to conduct the aid is protected by the juridicial

Thank you for considering my suggestions! I have read draft 1.5 and have a few comments.

Maybe the first point should say "urged" rather than "obliged" to inform the international community? The part about "try to isolate it" perhaps that should say something like "to use all prudent medical interventions to isolate the epidemic."

I am thinking that the second and fifth point can be merged. Perhaps it could read something like "The International Health Agency (IHA) will be formed to offer assistance to any Nation hit by the outbreak." "The IHA will gather donations and coordinate the delivery of medical assistance to aid in the control of epidemics upon the request of affected Nations."

I really don't understand what you mean in point six, but it could be next.

And I will be a stick-in-the-mud and say again that I think that points 3 and 4 are not needed because they are already part of each nation's sovereignty.

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I am still thinking in obligation sense. It is still obligatory to inform your neighbours etc. Because of conflict of interest. I will come back to this point later. Please read my previous post regarding conflict of interest.
Next to come : version 1.7

Huai Bei, thank you for highlighting the changes in draft 1.6 -- I like the proposal. How can I help you with it? Is there any part you are not satisfied with?

Contagious Diseases Epidemic Prevention Protocol

Description:
Globalization, international trade and advanced transportation systems accelerate the spreading pace of contagious diseases and make every nation vulnerable. We need a solution to this problem :
Contagious Disease Epidemic Prevention Protocol

1. Every Nation is obliged to inform international community of every epidemic outbreak and to use all prudent medical means to isolate it.

2. International Health Agency (IHA) will be formed to offer assistance to any Nation hit by contagious disease outbreak (recipient). The IHA will manage donation and its distribution to recipient upon request of the recipient.

3. a)Every Nation has the right to quarantine any inbound passenger and potential-pathogen-carrier-cargo from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
b) Every Nation has the right to ban import of food- and medical-product which is suspected to be a potential-pathogen-carrier from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.

Acknowledging that both actions are notably well within the Nation sovereignity.
Every Nation which is hit by epidemic outbreak and therefore affected by above mentioned actions is urged not to retaliate those actions.

4. Foreign entities and individuals who conduct humanitarian help according to this protocol if allowed to enter the territory of the nation being helped to be granted juridicial immunity

Explanation :
1.Definition of Epidemic :
affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time
2. Statement of Sovereignity Assurance:
This Protocol is humanitarian in nature. Sovereignity of each UN Member is guaranteed.
3. Animal to Human Contagious Disease:
If contagious disease suffered by animal can be spread to human and there is proven case that human have been infected, the nation should refer to point 1 of the protocol.
4. Recommended method for (humanitarian) donation :
First step : consult the recipient nation whether it would accept the offer
Second step : consult the recipient regarding the type of the aid
Third step : consult the recipient regarding the method to deliver the aid
Fourth step : If agreement reached of all of the previous steps , conduct the aid

Type of donations:
a) Financial aid
b) Medicament and Food should be sent by civil transportation means. In the case that there is an option to use military transportation means, the recipient should be consulted. If it is agreed upon, the donor can send them.
c) Medical Training ( in case of military medical personals read point b)
d) Medical Personals (in case of military medical personals read point b)
e) Scientific cooperation; Technology transfer

5. On juridicial immunity :
Any act to conduct the aid is protected by the juridicial

. Please read my previous post regarding conflict of interest.


Yes, I did. Personally I agree with you - but the people of my nation would disagree with you. ;)

I say keep point one as it is and let the doctors decide what is important.

Huai Bei, thank you for highlighting the changes in draft 1.6 -- I like the proposal. How can I help you with it? Is there any part you are not satisfied with?

The judicial immunity thing somehow break my brain.
I sense my limit there. It is for avoiding people conducting the aid of being sued, only because they are helping other people. The example have been brought up by TilEnca.
Need to solve it. Please read his following post :
Having sorted that part out, there is something else that occurred to me. While mine is not one of them, there are any number of nations out there that are litigation happy, and would gladly sue a doctor for anything that goes wrong, whether the doctor is truly at fault or not.

Would the doctors from another country be exempt from such litigation? My nation believes in accountability, but not to the extent of latinum piece law suits for punative damages. And so, despite the humanitarian nature of this proposal, my doctors might be unwilling to practice medicine in another country if they risk being sued for more money than they have.

Slackerness, please read the last clause in the proposal.
That is what I mean with the judicial immunity thing.
It is mean to solve the problem brought up by TilEnca (marked with red in previous post)

From draft 1.7
Every Nation which is hit by epidemic outbreak and therefore affected by above mentioned actions is urged not to retaliate those actions.


Ah! Now I understand! Those extra sentences makes it clear to me.

Yes, I did. Personally I agree with you - but the people of my nation would disagree with you. ;)

I say keep point one as it is and let the doctors decide what is important.

Slackerness, your people are hard nosed libertarian indeed.
I will keep my point. Thanks for your suggestions.

Huai Bei, I think I understand what you want to say about "juridical immunity" and I agree with you.

I want to check how international aid organizations such as "Doctors Without Borders" avoid lawsuits. I am going to surf the web for information and I will return when I have some good wording.

Leaders of Nations, thank you for your suggestions, see you tomorrow.
:)

Huai Bei, I think I understand what you want to say about "juridical immunity" and I agree with you.

I want to check how international aid organizations such as "Doctors Without Borders" avoid lawsuits. I am going to surf the web for information and I will return when I have some good wording.
(OOC: Thanks a lot, because I can't do that right now with the judicial thing, because I am too sleepy, and have something to do tomorrow morning= Monday, it is already 3:05 am. here, I will be back tomorrow)

Contagious Diseases Epidemic Prevention Protocol

2. International Health Agency (IHA) will be formed to offer assistance to any Nation hit by contagious disease outbreak (recipient). The IHA will manage donation and its distribution to recipient upon request of the recipient.

5. On juridicial immunity :
Any act to conduct the aid is protected by the juridicial

First, why not just utilize the International Red Cross Organization which was already formed by a NationStates UN resolution?

Second, I wrote a proposal which should be reaching the UN floor shortly which expanded upon your clause 5. If my resolution passes, any "relief" assistance could fall under the provisions of that. While your clause can remain, your proposal as stated above is getting long, and length is a handicap when collecting endorsements and votes.

Finally, my government does support what you are doing here, and when our resolution is finished will be happy to help. This is exactly part of what my government was working on with its initial draft "Global Disaster Assistance", which was trimmed down per a UN Secretariat ruling and become the present day "Good Samaritan Laws" proposal / resolution. :)

Huai Bei, I hope you slept well. I will be heading to bed soon, too. I couldn't find the documents about actual international aid organizations with liability immunity. But here is a boiled down 'good samaritan' version:

Any person who, on behalf of the IHA, renders medical care or assistance without the expectation of receiving compensation for such service, shall not be liable in civil damages for any act or omission, not constituting gross negligence, in the course of such care or assistance.

Okay, Mikitivity, now I want to go look at your "Good Samaritan Laws" proposal. It would be good if that resolved the problem!

Huai Bei, I hope you slept well. I will be heading to bed soon, too. I couldn't find the documents about actual international aid organizations with liability immunity. But here is a boiled down 'good samaritan' version:

Any person who, on behalf of the IHA, renders medical care or assistance without the expectation of receiving compensation for such service, shall not be liable in civil damages for any act or omission, not constituting gross negligence, in the course of such care or assistance.

Okay, Mikitivity, now I want to go look at your "Good Samaritan Laws" proposal. It would be good if that resolved the problem!

Here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7079622&postcount=6) is the current form that should be reaching the UN floor soon.

I'll dig up the link to my original "Global Disaster Assistance" proposal, which before that was focused on engineering liability in response to emergencies. Basically, I've been working on the same problem as you (plural) but instead of approaching the problem from a medical epidemic, I've been more concerned about: volcanic erruptions (which threaten my nation), strings of killer hurricanes (we know where those happen), earthquakes, and terrorist attacks in highly populated areas.

I'd very much like to revive the first half of my "Global Disaster Assistance" proposal again as well, but that can wait til after Halloween.

How does this proposal "...improve world security by boosting police and military budgets"?

First, why not just utilize the International Red Cross Organization which was already formed by a NationStates UN resolution?
Second, I wrote a proposal which should be reaching the UN floor shortly which expanded upon your clause 5. If my resolution passes, any "relief" assistance could fall under the provisions of that. While your clause can remain, your proposal as stated above is getting long, and length is a handicap when collecting endorsements and votes.

Finally, my government does support what you are doing here, and when our resolution is finished will be happy to help. This is exactly part of what my government was working on with its initial draft "Global Disaster Assistance", which was trimmed down per a UN Secretariat ruling and become the present day "Good Samaritan Laws" proposal / resolution. :)

IRCO and IHA differ only on the approach , IRCO is more Non governmental, IHA cooperate directly with health ministry. We can merge it, as long as we add a clause to it.

How does this proposal "...improve world security by boosting police and military budgets"?

I did not know that before and it is my first time.. so sorry,but please do not dismiss that only because of this.
It can be corrected.. we are working on a better draft recently. So be patient. Please do contribute some critics , thank you

Huai Bei, I hope you slept well. I will be heading to bed soon, too. I couldn't find the documents about actual international aid organizations with liability immunity. But here is a boiled down 'good samaritan' version:

Any person who, on behalf of the IHA, renders medical care or assistance without the expectation of receiving compensation for such service, shall not be liable in civil damages for any act or omission, not constituting gross negligence, in the course of such care or assistance.
Okay, Mikitivity, now I want to go look at your "Good Samaritan Laws" proposal. It would be good if that resolved the problem!

Thank you. I have approved the Good Samaritan Laws.
Working on new version of the draft for Epidemic Prevention.

First, why not just utilize the International Red Cross Organization which was already formed by a NationStates UN resolution?

Second, I wrote a proposal which should be reaching the UN floor shortly which expanded upon your clause 5. If my resolution passes, any "relief" assistance could fall under the provisions of that. While your clause can remain, your proposal as stated above is getting long, and length is a handicap when collecting endorsements and votes.

Finally, my government does support what you are doing here, and when our resolution is finished will be happy to help. This is exactly part of what my government was working on with its initial draft "Global Disaster Assistance", which was trimmed down per a UN Secretariat ruling and become the present day "Good Samaritan Laws" proposal / resolution. :)
Thank you for your support. I have approved your proposal, encouraging my neighbours and my un delegate to support it to.

Draft version 1.8

Contagious Diseases Epidemic Prevention Protocol

Description:
Globalization, international trade and advanced transportation systems accelerate the spreading pace of contagious diseases and make every nation vulnerable. We need a solution to this problem :
Contagious Disease Epidemic Prevention Protocol

1. Every Nation is obliged to inform international community of every epidemic outbreak and to use all prudent medical means to isolate it.

2. International Red Cross Organization (IRCO) would be utilized to offer assistance to any Nation hit by contagious disease outbreak (recipient). The IRCO will manage donation and its distribution to recipient upon request of the recipient. IRCO will cooperates closely with Health Ministries of its members.

3. a)Every Nation has the right to quarantine any inbound passenger and potential-pathogen-carrier-cargo from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.
b) Every Nation has the right to ban import of food- and medical-product which is suspected to be a potential-pathogen-carrier from Nation which is hit by the outbreak.

Acknowledging that both actions are notably well within the Nation sovereignity.
Every Nation which is hit by epidemic outbreak and therefore affected by above mentioned actions is urged not to retaliate those actions.

4. Any person who, on behalf of the IRCO, renders medical care or assistance without the expectation of receiving compensation for such service, shall not be liable in civil damages for any act or omission, not constituting gross negligence, in the course of such care or assistance.

Explanation :
1.Definition of Epidemic :
affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time
2. Statement of Sovereignity Assurance:
This Protocol is humanitarian in nature. Sovereignity of each UN Member is guaranteed.
3. Animal to Human Contagious Disease:
If contagious disease suffered by animal can be spread to human and there is proven case that human have been infected, the nation should refer to point 1 of the protocol.
4. Recommended method for (humanitarian) donation :
First step : consult the recipient nation whether it would accept the offer
Second step : consult the recipient regarding the type of the aid
Third step : consult the recipient regarding the method to deliver the aid
Fourth step : If agreement reached of all of the previous steps , conduct the aid

Type of donations:
a) Financial aid
b) Medicament and Food should be sent by civil transportation means. In the case that there is an option to use military transportation means, the recipient should be consulted. If it is agreed upon, the donor can send them.
c) Medical Training ( in case of military medical personals read point b)
d) Medical Personals (in case of military medical personals read point b)
e) Scientific cooperation; Technology transfer

The latest draft is taking a better shape. Wow, quite accurate. Support granted.

IRCO and IHA differ only on the approach , IRCO is more Non governmental, IHA cooperate directly with health ministry. We can merge it, as long as we add a clause to it.

First, you'll have my support in either case.

Now, though they may differ in approach, if you feel that difference is great, make the IHA independent. If you feel the IHA could be put under the IRCO it would represent a good show of faith to that organization.

There are pros and cons to both approaches. :) I just wanted to point that out, but I do agree with everything you are doing here.

First, you'll have my support in either case.

Now, though they may differ in approach, if you feel that difference is great, make the IHA independent. If you feel the IHA could be put under the IRCO it would represent a good show of faith to that organization.

There are pros and cons to both approaches. :) I just wanted to point that out, but I do agree with everything you are doing here.

Thank you for your support. I do think that IRCO can do the other approach too by adding a sentence in the clause.
Please read the red marked area of the draft. We don't need too much bereaucracy, just use the existing organization, modify it a bit. What do you think ?

The original proposal lacks approval. My suggestion is wait till Thursday, and post your 1.8 version. You need to campaign too.

Needless to say the latest version have some major improvement. My concern is whether it would be too long to read for the delegates, thus resulting in lack of support again. The original proposal get only 20 Approval ,and it is only some hours to go. Just try to propose again with the new one.

The original proposal lacks approval. My suggestion is wait till Thursday, and post your 1.8 version. You need to campaign too.

Huai Bei, if you would like some help on the campaign please let me know. I am willing to write to delegates to urge them to vote for this proposal.

Huai Bei, if you would like some help on the campaign please let me know. I am willing to write to delegates to urge them to vote for this proposal.

Again, Thanks a lot. :)
This is the list of Regional Delegates (21) who approved the first version of the proposal. It would be necessary to
telegram them again, I think I can handle that.

Guang Ming, Lung Fung, Yeknomia, North Folder, Coolet, Oenkidenk, Novus Terra, Alcadi, The Pointing Monkey, Corona Luminai, Syu, Netferweb, DragonsReach, The Shaft, Spaced_Invaders, Ronamiana, Bixxaver, ImperialMongolia, Suburban Freedom, Malamutistan, Bankston

This is the list of Regional Delegate with high probabilty of approval :

Frisbeeteria

There are 3 Regional Delegates where supporters reside :
Groot Gouda (Mikitivity), Moraineland (Slackerness),
Berhampore (TilEnca)

My regional delegate is Guang Ming (already approved)

What is your opinion ? How we can get pass the 133 ?
A quick count hinted that we can surely get 25. A good start. ;)

New York denies and covers up actual SARS problem. Result: No sanctions, no loss of tourism or other business.

Toronto admits actual SARS problem. Result: sanctions, drastic losses to tourism and other air travel, and business in general.

If someones trying to pass a resolution, just telegram me, and i'll endorse it. Always happy to help proposals unless theyre stupied etc..

This is the list of Regional Delegate with high probabilty of approval :

Frisbeeteria
Heh. Don't confuse my willingness to help craft the language with actual support. I like clean, well-drafted resolutions, but I vote for what will benefit Frisbeeteria and my region.

Actually on reflection, I'll go ahead and Approve this, even though I'll probably vote against it. I'm just funny that way.

Heh. Don't confuse my willingness to help craft the language with actual support. I like clean, well-drafted resolutions, but I vote for what will benefit Frisbeeteria and my region.

Actually on reflection, I'll go ahead and Approve this, even though I'll probably vote against it. I'm just funny that way.

I am sorry for the premature conclusion. Thank you for your help anyway. :) (and maybe for the approval ;) )

If someones trying to pass a resolution, just telegram me, and i'll endorse it. Always happy to help proposals unless theyre stupied etc..

Thank you for your support. It means a lot since we need a lot of approval. Spirited Horses just given an approval to the original proposal. To be optimistic, we have then about 26 or 27 approvals.

26 or 27 endorsements is a solid start. I was thinking of sending a message to every delegate asking for their support. Perhaps we could divide the task alphabetically? I would be willing to write to all of the regions which begin with the letters A - L.

How many days do we have to collect endorsements?

26 or 27 endorsements is a solid start. I was thinking of sending a message to every delegate asking for their support. Perhaps we could divide the task alphabetically? I would be willing to write to all of the regions which begin with the letters A - L.

How many days do we have to collect endorsements?


That's sounds great ! It would be a lot of copy and paste
work I think, shall we write the message together now ?
It would be at best short and clear.

Dear UN Delegate,
We have proposed a protocol to prevent epidemic spread of contagious diseases. Please take a look on the United Nations proposal list. It called Epidemic Prevention Protocol. It would make our world safer to live.
We need your endorsement to bring the issue up for voting.
Thank you for your attention.
( OOC: I don't know what to say for the ending)

Two new supporters :
Arcciel, Celticadia

Huai Bei, I think your letter is short and to the point. The ending is fine.

Please let me know when you want me to begin the mailing.

Two new supporters :
Arcciel, Celticadia

:cool:

Would it be permitted for me to suggest putting in a link to this thread, or to a copy of the proposal itself? People might be more inclined to support it (or consider supporting it) if they could read it easily, without trawling through lots of other unrelated stuff.

Huai Bei, I think your letter is short and to the point. The ending is fine.

Please let me know when you want me to begin the mailing.



:cool:
Tomorrow would be the best after posting the proposal.
Thank you Slackerness, I would mail the M-Z then.

Would it be permitted for me to suggest putting in a link to this thread, or to a copy of the proposal itself? People might be more inclined to support it (or consider supporting it) if they could read it easily, without trawling through lots of other unrelated stuff.
Of course , every suggestion is of a great value.
how shall I do that ?

We mustban all ade and international travel. Simple as that. The UN will not stand for any innocent deaths, so we must halt this disease before it attacks the Middle east or West Pacific.

We mustban all ade and international travel. Simple as that. The UN will not stand for any innocent deaths, so we must halt this disease before it attacks the Middle east or West Pacific.

You know this doesn't appply to a current situation? That it relates to what would/should/could happen in the event of such an outbreak.

Of course , every suggestion is of a great value.
how shall I do that ?

Perhaps we could include in the letter this link?
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/51282/page=UN_proposal

I think the link will take the reader to the Proposals page.

Perhaps we could include in the letter this link?
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/51282/page=UN_proposal

I think the link will take the reader to the Proposals page.

Thanks, that's great :)

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Please support the new proposal, it would make our world safer.

Dear UN Delegate,
We have proposed a protocol to prevent epidemic spread of contagious diseases. Please take a look on the United Nations proposal list. It called Epidemic Prevention Protocol. It would make our world safer to live.
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin...age=UN_proposal
We need your endorsement to bring the issue up for voting.
Thank you for your attention.

So far I have telegrammed Region page 1 (of the list) and page 860-893. Is quite tiring this anti spam mechanism.

The Free Land of Slackerness will begin the campaign on page 2. We shall meet in the middle!

Edit:
Yes, the anti-spam code is annoying. Luckily (??) it is less important as the NS server slows down and more time is spent waiting for a page to load. :rolleyes:

OOC: Slackerness, I am just back from lunch, now working on page 654 ,
please check your telegram :) Thanks a lot

Sometimes I have to click 4 times to lodge the telegram
My connection is a bit fast I guess.

So far I have telegrammed Region page 1 (of the list) and page 860-893. Is quite tiring this anti spam mechanism.

Your poor fingers are going to bleed if you do it that way.

Right now there is a list of active (not Pro-) UN Delegates in a place much closer to you. This list will disappear by Friday. ;)

My advise is to make a hard copy of the list of UN Delegates and make sure that when you telegram them to cross them off the list so you only telegram them once. Only telegram a few hundred and then stop to see if those you've telegrammed like your proposal.

You'll still accidently telegram a delegate or two, but if you do, just apologize. Don't be afraid to ask for advise from the delegates too! :)

Your poor fingers are going to bleed if you do it that way.

Right now there is a list of active (not Pro-) UN Delegates in a place much closer to you. This list will disappear by Friday. ;)

My advise is to make a hard copy of the list of UN Delegates and make sure that when you telegram them to cross them off the list so you only telegram them once. Only telegram a few hundred and then stop to see if those you've telegrammed like your proposal.

You'll still accidently telegram a delegate or two, but if you do, just apologize. Don't be afraid to ask for advise from the delegates too! :)

Yeah my poor fingers :) you 're right. I notify that many UN Delegates are offline, those who online some of them did approve.. We will do it step by step. Currently we got a total of 8 approvals. Mikitivity could you please convince your Regional Delegate to endorse this proposal ? I think your proposal would almost surely win.

Your poor fingers are going to bleed if you do it that way.

Right now there is a list of active (not Pro-) UN Delegates in a place much closer to you. This list will disappear by Friday. ;)

My advise is to...

...Don't be afraid to ask for advise from the delegates too! :)

Good advice. Take it. Do it. Be happy. Have many kids and live happily ever after.

Er, yeah, anyway. What Mikitivity says is absolutely right, your time is precious. You want to make every moment you telegram to be worth as much as possible. If you telegram a delegate that hasn't been on for two weeks, or is not delegate anymore, or who thinks your proposals crap, that can be a wasted telegram, a telegram that could've earned an approval. I can think of two key ways maximize telegram-->approval exchange.

Like Mikitivity said, you need to telegram as active a delegate as possible. If they voted on the resoltuion up to vote, they're probably active. Plus, if they've been delegate within the past week or so, then they're probably still delegate.

Second, and this is key after you resubmit (which is commonplace), you must telegram your base supporters. As you go through the resubmission process you need to start to accumulate the delegates that have approved your proposal in the past. This is your base. These delegates have almost a 100% telegram-approval turnover. As your base grows, it'll become easier and easier to reach closer and closer to quorum. Though the "niceness" of the proposal is important, most of the proposal to resolution passage is through getting the word out, and using the delegateship to your advantage.

Oh, and one more thing, there are (well, there is one, but there should be another soon of everything goes according to plan...) some delegates that will communicate with each other, namely, the goontopians. It is absolutely critical that during the approval phase you court the goontopian vote. They don't have a lot of pull in the general assembly, but they can really boost a lagging proposal campaign.

Good Luck!

Good advice. Take it. Do it. Be happy. Have many kids and live happily ever after.

Er, yeah, anyway. What Mikitivity says is absolutely right, your time is precious. You want to make every moment you telegram to be worth as much as possible. If you telegram a delegate that hasn't been on for two weeks, or is not delegate anymore, or who thinks your proposals crap, that can be a wasted telegram, a telegram that could've earned an approval. I can think of two key ways maximize telegram-->approval exchange.

Like Mikitivity said, you need to telegram as active a delegate as possible. If they voted on the resoltuion up to vote, they're probably active. Plus, if they've been delegate within the past week or so, then they're probably still delegate.

Second, and this is key after you resubmit (which is commonplace), you must telegram your base supporters. As you go through the resubmission process you need to start to accumulate the delegates that have approved your proposal in the past. This is your base. These delegates have almost a 100% telegram-approval turnover. As your base grows, it'll become easier and easier to reach closer and closer to quorum. Though the "niceness" of the proposal is important, most of the proposal to resolution passage is through getting the word out, and using the delegateship to your advantage.

Oh, and one more thing, there are (well, there is one, but there should be another soon of everything goes according to plan...) some delegates that will communicate with each other, namely, the goontopians. It is absolutely critical that during the approval phase you court the goontopian vote. They don't have a lot of pull in the general assembly, but they can really boost a lagging proposal campaign.

Good Luck!
Thanks for your suggestion
How can I find the goontopian ? Is there any forum ?
I would cross check with Slackerness who help me in this campaign, then I will contact my base voters. The proposal have approximately 25-27 base voters.
Now I am moving to page 791.. loading the page is quite slow right now, so I can read the topography of Mars etc.

Sometimes I have to click 4 times to lodge the telegram
My connection is a bit fast I guess.

Perhaps you are using a university connected computer? Your speed is envied.

18 endorsements! :)

I have contacted pages 2 - 101 so far.

Yeah my poor fingers :) you 're right. I notify that many UN Delegates are offline, those who online some of them did approve.. We will do it step by step. Currently we got a total of 8 approvals. Mikitivity could you please convince your Regional Delegate to endorse this proposal ? I think your proposal would almost surely win.

I'll ask Groot to look at it. I like it, and chances are Groot Gouda may as well.

My current resolution was in the proposal queue four times. The first time it was part of a different proposal, which was deleted. The mods suggested I rewrite the proposal, and did.

The next time it got over 60 endorsements, but it was riding the coat tails of the Powerhungry Chipmunk's then proposal (soon to become resolution).

Always keep a list of whom endorses your proposal. These are your allies, and listen to them more than anybody else. If your proposal doesn't seem to break the 30 endorsement count on its first time through, you might telegram the delegates that did endorse it and ask for how they think you should improve it.

If you look at my signature file, you'll see a link to the International Democratic Union's off-site forum. A very small hint ... you might want to check out my regional forum's "UN Proposal" section. I have been building some tools, that if used sparingly might help you and others. :)

Perhaps you are using a university connected computer? Your speed is envied.

18 endorsements! :)

I have contacted pages 2 - 101 so far.
22 endorsements, page 1 & 788-896 finished. Thank you.
(OOC: what kind of connection do you have?)
I try now to contact the base voters mentioned by Powerhungrychipmunks. Please leave out UN Delegates of China,Canada & Langrange Point Five, I 've telegramed them , they are our base voters

I'll ask Groot to look at it. I like it, and chances are Groot Gouda may as well.

My current resolution was in the proposal queue four times. The first time it was part of a different proposal, which was deleted. The mods suggested I rewrite the proposal, and did.

The next time it got over 60 endorsements, but it was riding the coat tails of the Powerhungry Chipmunk's then proposal (soon to become resolution).

Always keep a list of whom endorses your proposal. These are your allies, and listen to them more than anybody else. If your proposal doesn't seem to break the 30 endorsement count on its first time through, you might telegram the delegates that did endorse it and ask for how they think you should improve it.

If you look at my signature file, you'll see a link to the International Democratic Union's off-site forum. A very small hint ... you might want to check out my regional forum's "UN Proposal" section. I have been building some tools, that if used sparingly might help you and others. :)
(OOC: Groot is Dutch mean big or great and Gouda if I am not mistaken is a kind of delicious cheese, greetings to your UN Delegate ! Hoe gat et met jouw ? = How are you?)
I'll look for the tool you have hinted. :)

Please leave out UN Delegates of China,Canada & Langrange Point Five, I 've telegramed them , they are our base voters

oops... I have already passed China and Canada, but I will keep Langrange Point Five in mind. I am currently on page 125.

26 endorsements! Hooray!

OOC: I have a cable modem connection so my computer is a little slow but its okay.

Like Mikitivity said, you need to telegram as active a delegate as possible. If they voted on the resoltuion up to vote, they're probably active. Plus, if they've been delegate within the past week or so, then they're probably still delegate.

Second, and this is key after you resubmit (which is commonplace), you must telegram your base supporters. As you go through the resubmission process you need to start to accumulate the delegates that have approved your proposal in the past. This is your base. These delegates have almost a 100% telegram-approval turnover. As your base grows, it'll become easier and easier to reach closer and closer to quorum. Though the "niceness" of the proposal is important, most of the proposal to resolution passage is through getting the word out, and using the delegateship to your advantage.

Oh, and one more thing, there are (well, there is one, but there should be another soon of everything goes according to plan...) some delegates that will communicate with each other, namely, the goontopians. It is absolutely critical that during the approval phase you court the goontopian vote. They don't have a lot of pull in the general assembly, but they can really boost a lagging proposal campaign.

Good Luck!
Goontopian (the region) UN Delegate The Pointing Monkey is a base voter. What I should do next?

oops... I have already passed China and Canada, but I will keep Langrange Point Five in mind. I am currently on page 125.

26 endorsements! Hooray!

OOC: I have a cable modem connection so my computer is a little slow but its okay.
I think it should be no problem.
(OOC:My hardware is quite old. cable is okay. We have laser here.) 28 endorsements :D I am working the base voters right now

Goontopian (the region) UN Delegate The Pointing Monkey is a base voter. What I should do next?
Well, there are probably about three dozen regions which also bear the goontopian name, they go from goontopia2 to about goontopia30 or so. These delegates tend to jump on board things together. I believe (don't quote me) that the goontopians are mainly interested in a "moralistic" UN...so if you point out the humanitarianism inherent in stopping epidemics, perhaps it'll be pretty easy to sway them.

Well, there are probably about three dozen regions which also bear the goontopian name, they go from goontopia2 to about goontopia30 or so. These delegates tend to jump on board things together. I believe (don't quote me) that the goontopians are mainly interested in a "moralistic" UN...so if you point out the humanitarianism inherent in stopping epidemics, perhaps it'll be pretty easy to sway them.

I noticed that some of them did support me (i.e base voters) Goontopia, goontopia9 and goontopia10. Thanks for your tips. I think Slackerness would work on them later.
Should I extra address them beside the default telegram ?

31 endorsements, page 765 :D

When addressing the goontopians, should I insert the word 'humanitarian' before the word protocol? Or does the topic require more work? I am thinking that it is obvious that the proposal is humanitarian, so simply mentioning the word will be enough. What do you all think?

36 endorsements and page 161 :)

When addressing the goontopians, should I insert the word 'humanitarian' before the word protocol? Or does the topic require more work? I am thinking that it is obvious that the proposal is humanitarian, so simply mentioning the word will be enough. What do you all think?

36 endorsements and page 161 :)
I think your idea will work :)

53 endorsements and page 212 :)

53 endorsements and page 212 :)
Page 715. You are very fast. Many of the endorsements come from your regions of campaign :) Thank you.

We have 60 endorsements now! :D

Our teamwork is succeeding.

We are over the half of quorum (71 endorsements). The campaign is successful, thanks to our teamwork. :D

Dear UN Delegate,
We have proposed a protocol to prevent epidemic spread of contagious diseases. Please take a look on the United Nations proposal list. It called Epidemic Prevention Protocol. It would make our world safer to live.
The proposal has been located at http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/38347/page=UN_proposal/start=50
We need your endorsement to bring the issue up for voting.
Thank you for your attention.

The updated message is now in use. I am on page 248.

You will have the Imperium's support.

We are over the half of quorum (71 endorsements). The campaign is successful, thanks to our teamwork. :D


Wow! I'm impressed. Your campaign team is doing something I've not seen in my time in the UN, because you are collecting endorsements at an incredible rate.

The updated message is now in use. I am on page 248.
Slackerness,this is the hardest blow. I don't know why. I got ejected from UN. The proposal is still exist. In case that the proposal got deleted please post it in your name, you deserve it to take over the fight. 78 endorsements already. Thank you for your help. I apply again for UN membership, not knowing what else to do.

You will have the Imperium's support.
Thank you for your support

Crossman, the Free Land of Slackerness thanks you for your support of global health.

Huai Bei, how strange! Yes, please re-apply. Surely someone made a mistake by ejecting you from the U.N.

The endorsements stand at 113. I am now on page 351.

Okay I have finished the pages 2 - 374. This covers the alphabet through the letter L. Good night.

Oh, there are 120 endorsements at this time. :D :D :D

Okay I have finished the pages 2 - 374. This covers the alphabet through the letter L. Good night.

Oh, there are 120 endorsements at this time. :D :D :D

Two things: First make a copy of all of your endorsements. What I'd suggest you do is copy them from the proposal queue and past them into MS Word or Text Pad or Note Pad or something similar.

Second, *jaw drops* how are you collecting 120 endorsements in a single day!!!

At the rate you are going at, you'll beat the 302+ endorsement record. :) In any event, I'm still very impressed by your dedication and the speed at which you've been able to get this far. That in and of itself is a major accomplishment.

[OOC: I'd like to write an article on this event, but I'll be out of town for the next 4 days. Please post your nation's capitals and ambassador names, if you would like me to write the article.] :)

The proposal is now viewable at:
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/33654/page=UN_proposal/start=30

We have 145 endorsements and the proposal is In Queue for a vote by the general membership.

Mikitivity, I will make a copy of the endorsements. I worry about a server crash or hack - I wouldn't want to repeat all the work that went into gathering the endorsements.

And thank you for the compliments. I am truly honored. Setting records is not necessary, just getting the resolution approved. But if Huai Bei would like the story written up, I am willing. (erm.... please excuse my ignorance, but where would this article appear?)