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Homosexuality is a stain upon the fabric of society. It is foul and should not be given recognition by the government as being equal to heterosexual marriage. It is not. It is foul.

It produces nothing, from nothing.

what about the old testement? it condemns it in several parts. leviticus 18:22 ""Thou shall not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination." and Leviticus 20:13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." And i genesis it describes the rath of God due to the dgradation of morals that cause homosexuality in Sodom Gen 19:1-11

Homosexuality is a stain upon the fabric of society. It is foul and should not be given recognition by the government as being equal to heterosexual marriage. It is not. It is foul.

It produces nothing, from nothing.

You're in the UN? You already recognize it as equal.

It "produces" a loving relationship, potentially. And by your condemnation, would you say that an infertile couple who "produce nothing" shouldn't be married?

Ah well, Vastiva looks forward to your next life, when you shall indeed embrace that issue up close and personally.

what about the old testement? it condemns it in several parts. leviticus 18:22 ""Thou shall not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination." and Leviticus 20:13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." And i genesis it describes the rath of God due to the dgradation of morals that cause homosexuality in Sodom Gen 19:1-11

Read the New. Jesus said the Old was done with.

Besides which, as Vastiva doesn't recognize it as a legal text - makes no difference.

well, I was on another thread, which was talking about gay marrage, so I thought I'd start with that

Ok, they'll call it marriage and we'll call yours a religious union. All better now?

No?

Can you see the bigotry you're putting forward?

Nuff said.

yep, I'm bigoted on this

then again, I could have just said they are an abomination to God, and their time will come when they confront him...

but I'm nicer than that.

besides, marrage was defined as the bonding of a man and wife, so its alright to change the defenition so as to not be bigoted. Trying not to step on anybodys toes?

guess what...I think thats bigoted against me, now whats your solution?

well, I was on another thread, which was talking about gay marrage, so I thought I'd start with that



yep, I'm bigoted on this

then again, I could have just said they are an abomination to God, and their time will come when they confront him...

but I'm nicer than that.

besides, marrage was defined as the bonding of a man and wife, so its alright to change the defenition so as to not be bigoted. Trying not to step on anybodys toes?

guess what...I think thats bigoted against me, now whats your solution?

Marriage has many definitions, and I can tell you etymologically it was not originally the "bonding of man and wife" however it was determined to be a desciptive of the "bonding of man and wife".... English is a language, and subject to change.... and the term marriage, to marry, marry is just as operative upon the contractual union of two people of the same sex, as it is of opposite sex.... You play with words like the pathetic retarded little weezles you are...... "Don't call it marriage call it a union!" Bad news, the words are synonyms..... any "union" of two things is a marriage.... you BORROWED the term, our present word "marry" is a derivation of a nautical term used in Old French, "marier", that was used to describe the union of two ropes in a permanate manner...... Well guess what, we can define it however we like, because it is OUR language...... and we could give two tits what you were told to believe by some moron sitting on a pulpit.... We're the government, we make the laws, and you have subjugated yourself to our rule..... so you have two options..... suck it up, or get out..... The NSUN is not compulsory you know....

As member of libertarian leanings.... The Constitutional Republic of Tekania will support any resolution forbidding the states from legislating upon the issue of marriage, marriage is a personal and private institution which predates government, and therewith which government has no right to dictate upon..... Any government which seeks to legislate and dicate upon the institution of marriage are godless idolators, seeking to destroy the free government we have been bestowed with by the grace of our creator.

For those of you who claim to be "christian"... you have been given the mandate to preach and teach.... not dictate law.... as such you have violated your soul and most important responsibility to Christ, and are therefore evil idolatorous heretics by your own bible... and destined to burn in hell lest you repent of your evil antichrist ways....

then again, I could have just said they are an abomination to God, and their time will come when they confront him...

So if God is so wonderfully equipped to deal with them, why not just leave it to Him, rather than punishing them in life too?

Maybe they think they know better then God...

Hmmm... God. Omnipotent, Omniscient. So he created homosexuality, knew the consequences, did it anyway. Hasn't stopped it.

Lord of the Universe. And somehow the mites down here know better then God.

Allright, now I'm confused. Either God knows what God is doing, or God doesn't know. If the former, attempting to meddle is Sacrilege. If the latter - well, then, is it God or is there another explanation?

But as Christians, we should uphold the standard of marriage. The same standard God gave us in the Bible. It is vital and important that we keep that. I believe in one God and that he is Jesus Christ himself and his word clearly states that not only is gay marriages obstructive towards the law, but homosexuallity as a whole. I am not one to say what happens in peoples beds, I believe that is their business and God will deal with those people, but this is something more then someone's bed and private life....this is the whole concept of a covenant that God created for one man and one woman and he made it that way for a reason. This goes beyond sin...it strikes the heart of the family structure which is already deteriating at a rapid pace. The loss of a true family foundations with devestate society all over and hurt generations to come! I urge you all to repeal this act, not just in the name of God, for humanity and life on this planet. This is for our existance!

Karen Lehman
Minister of Religion and Family Values
Republican States of Acharom

But as Christians, we should uphold the standard of marriage.

Hey, hey, hey, did you miss something? You might be a Christian but that's just you. Your perception of marriage may very well differ with those of a more liberal Christian who supports gay marriage. In short, just because YOU believe something doesn't mean EVERYONE does. So stop assuming that.

I believe in one God and that he is Jesus Christ himself and his word clearly states that not only is gay marriages obstructive towards the law, but homosexuallity as a whole.

Please refer to Hirota's posts in this thread.

I believe that is their business and God will deal with those people,

So let God deal with them then. That's not your problem.

God created for one man and one woman and he made it that way for a reason. This goes beyond sin...it strikes the heart of the family structure which is already deteriating at a rapid pace.

Then shouldn't we ban divorce too? Seeing as it also strikes at the heart of the particular family structure you're talking about?

The loss of a true family foundations with devestate society all over and hurt generations to come! I urge you all to repeal this act, not just in the name of God, for humanity and life on this planet. This is for our existance!

Did you ever think that the existance of the human species is actually impeded by marriage? If there wasn't this societal constraint of marriage there would be a lot more sex and a lot more offspring, don't you think?

Why would the presence of a particular kind of family structure be detrimental or beneficial in any way? How would it devastate society? There are many instances of single parent families now, and I don't think society has been "devastated". Isn't it just a question of the family structure you're used to (i.e., the traditional heretosexual couple + their young children)?

But as Christians, we should uphold the standard of marriage. The same standard God gave us in the Bible. It is vital and important that we keep that. I believe in one God and that he is Jesus Christ himself and his word clearly states that not only is gay marriages obstructive towards the law, but homosexuallity as a whole. I am not one to say what happens in peoples beds, I believe that is their business and God will deal with those people, but this is something more then someone's bed and private life....this is the whole concept of a covenant that God created for one man and one woman and he made it that way for a reason. This goes beyond sin...it strikes the heart of the family structure which is already deteriating at a rapid pace. The loss of a true family foundations with devestate society all over and hurt generations to come! I urge you all to repeal this act, not just in the name of God, for humanity and life on this planet. This is for our existance!

Karen Lehman
Minister of Religion and Family Values
Republican States of Acharom


Ah... the operations of the ignorant... let's take a nice close IN DEPTH look at what this person ACTUALLY said.... and then see how he applies it...

"But as Christians, we should uphold the standard of marriage." You'll of course note that he applies a labeling noun and then uses the pronoun "we" (which of course refers back to the subject of the sentance "Christians").... So it is up to Christians to "uphold" this marriage.... Of course this is vague, generally the Christians throughout the BIBLE always operated as examples and teachers, rather than lawmakers and petty dictators.... so obviously they completely missed how they were TOLD to go about this....

"The same standard God gave us in the Bible. It is vital and important that we keep that." And here it is again, "us" comes in, pronoun operation back to initial subject "Christians"..... and then the "we" again..... And then follows with.... "I believe in one God and that he is Jesus Christ himself and his word clearly states that not only is gay marriages obstructive towards the law, but homosexuallity as a whole. I am not one to say what happens in peoples beds, I believe that is their business and God will deal with those people, but this is something more then someone's bed and private life....this is the whole concept of a covenant that God created for one man and one woman and he made it that way for a reason." Wow, talk about a leap, he properly discerns his place in the Bible, then uses then leaps far past the operative declarations and commandments of him to lead by example and teach, and move over to absolute governance over... It is quite obviously this person has NO interest in God or Christ, it is all a power-ploy lie they live in self-deception.....

And then this... "This goes beyond sin".... wow, he has elevated homosexuality to something beyond sin........ Got bad news for you fella, It don't matter if you shoved your cock in another man's hind end, or stole 5 bucks from your dad's wallet..... God sees them no differently.... but of course, I know at this point, you don't actually worship God, you worship your own self.

And then of course the mental state of this person degererated through the last several sentances..... I really hate these antichristian heretics... lofting some false christ and false god to worship in place of the real ones, with their misapplied, and anti-biblical thought and teachings, attempting to become satan's church on earch like the Holy Roman Empire became for centuries. Well, luckily most of us can see through your facades....

this is the whole concept of a covenant that God created for one man and one woman and he made it that way for a reason.

We're not actually asking you to give that to homosexuals. We aren't insisting that your churches let them marry with the blessings of a priest, which is the kind of marriage you're talking about. Your marriages under god will not be touched unless you want them to. What we're insisting on is that you allow homosexuals to be married in law, which is a totally different thing.

I see a potential flaw in logic here.

First Issue: "There is no evidence that god doesn't exist. Therefore, we must assume god to exist."

Second Issue: "There is no evidence in the bible that condemns homosexuality. That doesn't matter, god still doesn't like it."

Do I smell a double standard? If there is no proof either way, your word is law?

Oh, and when I say no evidence, I mean no evidence in the NT, since according to the claim of one debater here, the OT has been "abolished" in christianity. I wonder, if that is so, why conservative christians across the world use it as a source of evidence and support? If it no longer is applicable, does that mean you can't criticize what is in it anymore, but you can still use it to condemn your opponents? That would be another double standard...

Oh, and when I say no evidence, I mean no evidence in the NT, since according to the claim of one debater here, the OT has been "abolished" in christianity. I wonder, if that is so, why conservative christians across the world use it as a source of evidence and support? If it no longer is applicable, does that mean you can't criticize what is in it anymore, but you can still use it to condemn your opponents?

Some Christian religions understand the bible's OT-NT relationship as thus:

-> The Isrealites were given the 'higher law' by Moses (Ten Commandments)
-> The Isrealites proved themselves unable to follow the 'higher law', thus were given the Mosaic law (which is where the stoning and such come in), things had to be spelled out a little more clearly to them.
-> The Isrealites, through the ages adapt the Mosaic law, and encircle it about with the Oral Law (A Pharisee invention which is essentially a religious bureaocracy, to keep people from even coming close to breaking the Mosaic Law), even further confusing what teh original reasons were behind the Mosaic Law.
-> During the Christ's ministry he reintroduces the 'higher law', the Mosaic Law and Oral Law (which never really was "binding") are no longer "binding" even though the principles therein (since it was based upon applications of the 'higher law') are wholly applicable to this 'higher law'.

This truncated synopsis, is a basic outline of how some religions actually do find "proof" for or against certain practices in the New Testament and Old Testament, even though they don't follow the exact perscriptions of the Mosaic Law.

But the real point here is that you can't really dictate to a person how much of one book or another they're "allowed" to adhere to. That's a personal decision, and the basis of Protestant faiths for the entirety of their existence.

First I would like to addres Kelseek. I am sorry Ambassador, but the people of this world are not animals, to breed with whom they please and to destroy the foundation of a wonderful institution! Free Sex is dangerous, and in this era, the term safe sex can no longer be defined by contraception. There are now over 30 known sexually transmittable diseases known to science and many of them spread like epidemics through most of the world. This is why we educate our people with the only way to have safe sex, with only one partner. Fortunately we have seen a steady drop in sexual diseases and less cases of AIDS and Syphilis. Also the rate of teen pregnancy has dropped signifigantly! Our welfare department is moer relieved today then ever with these stats. Sex is sacred, a sacred part of marriage and we try to keep it sacred for our young today! And to Tekania! I am sorry, but I really do love God. I love him very much and will serve him all the days of my life. And eve into eternity! I don't what you problem is Mr. President, but I feel that your response is inappropriate and that if you are to call youself a Christian, to answer in a more mature way. And finally Aeruillin, The Bible clearly states that no homosexual will enter heaven and that it is sin(galatians 5:19-21; Lev. 18:22; Romans 1:26,27). I am sorry boys, but I am not one of those liberal Christians, because they are wrong, the true Christians are the ones who live by the Bible and what it says and does not waver from it! Thank You for your time.

Karen Lehman
Minister of Religion and Family Life
Acharom

I am sorry boys, but I am not one of those liberal Christians, because they are wrong, the true Christians are the ones who live by the Bible and what it says and does not waver from it! Thank You for your time.


So you have:

- Never cut your hair,
- No tatoos, and
- Never eaten pork.

The Bible is also clear (and very wrong) about each of these practices as well.

This truncated synopsis, is a basic outline of how some religions actually do find "proof" for or against certain practices in the New Testament and Old Testament, even though they don't follow the exact perscriptions of the Mosaic Law.

But the real point here is that you can't really dictate to a person how much of one book or another they're "allowed" to adhere to. That's a personal decision, and the basis of Protestant faiths for the entirety of their existence.


I'm protestant myself, but I feel this bit about the OT-NT reform just muddies it up a little more and leaves more room to interpret your own bias into it. Ah well.

the true Christians are the ones who live by the Bible and what it says

According to the bible, the world is a disc and the sun turns around it. Considering where it was written, that meant the continents of America don't exist at all. So all you people living in the bible belt, well, according to what you believe you should fall of the edge of the Earth. I fail to see you falling.

Do you speak Hebrew or Greek? I guess you mean one of the numerous translations otherwise. The bible in its English form has been translated and reinterpreted so often there's hardly anything left in its original meaning. You're not following the word of god there, you're following the interpretation by monks in the Middle Ages. Meaning well or ill, people have changed it as they went along. Isn't it ironic that the very book that people base the theory of creationism on is the only one known in our literature that has actually undergone a kind of evolution?

Maybe they think they know better then God...

Hmmm... God. Omnipotent, Omniscient. So he created homosexuality, knew the consequences, did it anyway. Hasn't stopped it.

Lord of the Universe. And somehow the mites down here know better then God.

Allright, now I'm confused. Either God knows what God is doing, or God doesn't know. If the former, attempting to meddle is Sacrilege. If the latter - well, then, is it God or is there another explanation?

As far as I can tell there is no God. If there was a God he needs to be held accountable for all he has NOT done to help the sick the weak and the dying you think that there is a God when there are children everyday dying of Aids because what ppl like you think that it is "Gods will" When are sympathetic ppl like you ever going to wake up and see there is no god and if there is he has forsaken us and left us here to fend for ourselfs .....

and the only thing I have to say to those preparing for judgment day you have a real rude awaking because it's not comeing the only thing that will happen is that a dumb ass will destroy the Earth and then what "Gods will has been done!" all I have to say to that is BULLSHIT :mad:

Marriage is a Christian term in this discussion I believe. AKA: Muslims, Protestants, and Catholics.

I am sure there are other religions that go by the same standard, but the UN can not control religion.

Wolfchester will not tolerate it ordering its Religious sects what to do, it shall not tolerate it, and will deploy an Armored Fist to defend the rights of all religius Sects, world wide.

OOC: Being a Pagan, and bi, I am sick of people throwing out the marriage card. Who the hell are you to tell me I need to believe in your god, much less your moral and ethical code? Marriage isn't even real, its defined BY society. It can change on whim, see? Its not a government that decides, nor really the church, but SOCIETY. Thus, each Nation must decide its own marriage laws.

I agree with Wolfchester each society should be the one to decide this. I being president of Gold and Blood will Honor any gay marriage as long as it is between to consenting adults of the proper age.

Losts of ppl think just by letting two consenting adults marry that next will be beastiality but no! It's just between two consenting ...let me say that again incase you missed it ....CONSENTING adults nothing more.

ok you know wut GAY :mp5:

ok you know wut GAY :mp5:

Way to contribute to intelligent debate! :rolleyes:


safe sex can no longer be defined by contraception

Bull. A condom, properly used, is effective the vast majority of the time, and your abstinence teaching actually encourages unsafe sex, because many people don't keep up their abstinence approach, but when the moment comes they aren't equipped with a condom (I seem to remember reading in New Scientist about a RL study which actually showed abstinence vows doing nothing to reduce STD rates, unfortunately I can't find the reference). So in fact your claims about your nation are edging on godmodding.

Anyway, you might feel that sex is something special connected to your religious beliefs, but unless you can justify forcing those beliefs on us, you can't justify forcing the practice of those beliefs on us.

Bull. A condom, properly used, is effective the vast majority of the time, and your abstinence teaching actually encourages unsafe sex, because many people don't keep up their abstinence approach, but when the moment comes they aren't equipped with a condom (I seem to remember reading in New Scientist about a RL study which actually showed abstinence vows doing nothing to reduce STD rates, unfortunately I can't find the reference). So in fact your claims about your nation are edging on godmodding.

This is getting off topic but ...

That would be an interesting article, and I can see the logic being used there, but when "safe sex" topics come up, I like the newer terms used:

Safer Sex

The idea behind "Safer" is to get away from the idea that there is safe and unsafe sex. By practicing multiple "safer sex" techniques, one can really reduce his / her risk of getting an STI (sexually transmitted infection -- again, another new term, but I'm thinking in a few years STIs will replace STDs in the common language).

Just my opinion here ...

I am sorry boys, but I am not one of those liberal Christians, because they are wrong, the true Christians are the ones who live by the Bible and what it says and does not waver from it!

I assume you also follow these passages to the letter:

Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

Abominations of the Sea. (http://www.godhatesshrimp.com)

Throw your christian ideals away....it doesn't matter for this...because you ASSUME every one is Christian...

Hell, I'm willing to say less then half the world is Christian. Christian Christian, for this purpose, Islam doesn't count <it believes Allah is better then Jesus etc, its confusing, but I'm talking traditional catholic/ protestant Christian>

I'm personally a Follower of Loki and the Great Old Ones.

Marriage is a Christian term in this discussion I believe. AKA: Muslims, Protestants, and Catholics.

Just FYI, the term for those religions, plus Judaism, is "Abrahamic" as they share their roots in Abraham, or Ibrahim to the Muslims.

Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet. I'm not sure about the Jewish belief in this regard. Christians believe, of course, that Jesus is the son of God. All the Abrahamic religions worship the same God.

You are right, less than half the world is Christian, though it is the biggest religion at 33%. Islam takes second place with 22%, followed by Hinduism and people without religions.

But I'd like to remind you that this doesn't mean 1/3 of the world is Christian. This should be interpreted to mean that 2/3 of people are NOT Christians. Within the 33% of the world population which belong to the Christian faith, as with all faiths there exist many different levels of adherence and fundamentalism. There is definitely no justification for imposing a law rooted in religious belief on the world.

As I like to say, I'd trust no religion I haven't made up myself. Which is why I believe in assorted deities, principles and holy texts that I've put together for a few of my fantasy writings. So there.

As I like to say, I'd trust no religion I haven't made up myself. Which is why I believe in assorted deities, principles and holy texts that I've put together for a few of my fantasy writings. So there.

Good for you.

We should completely eliminate this UN resolution as it begins to impede upon the sanctity of religion..

We should completely eliminate this UN resolution as it begins to impede upon the sanctity of religion..

But if one's religion demands the ritual murder of twelve children under a new moon every other month, would it be fine to impede on the sanctity of religion then?

Alright, it seems we have a lot of really interesting answers. Let me first address the following:

Gold and Blood:
God's will is not to bring suffering to the world, but to offer people life. The Bible says that "God so loved the world that he gave his only son, and to whom ever believes in him will not perish, but have everlasting life!" It also says in Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin are death, but the gift of God is eternal life!" Remember that it was man who chose to suffer! It was man who chose to death and disease. It was man who chose to die, because of his sins. God only desires to save humanity, but many people chose to sin and their sin leads them to death, and not just hell, but to a literal physical death. Imagine if only we chose to follow God's law, then maybe there would not be as much suffering in the world! If people devoted themselves to one partner of the opposite sex for life, then there wouldn't be children dying in Africa or young women sterile and unable to have children. Maybe then our world would not be so plagued! If only people drank responsibly, then maybe there wouldn't be so much death in the streets! The most amazing thing about God's law is that it protects and if people followed it and lived by it then maybe our society would be a less stressful place. You all have not given God a chance and that is why many countries in this world suffer! God loved us so much to even give us a word, so that we would not increase the suffering in our lives and in the lives of others.

Myopia:
A condom may protect your from pregancy and some diseases, but it does not prevent everything. 20% of people today carry HPV. It is an incurrable sexually transmitted disease that cause death in many women. it is also the leading cause of cervical cancer and many other health problems for women. HPV is a touch contaminated disease and any touch of the genetal region for more then ten seconds will spread the disease. There are people suffering for not obeying God's word! Not because God does not love them, no God loves them, but they do not listen to his word and now suffer the pain of their sin.

From Acharom Ministry of Public Health & Disease Control

Kelseek:
Whether you are a Christian or not, there is still one God and he is Jesus Christ. i am no longer talking to as an ambassador of Acharom, but of Jesus Christ. Everyone will answer for their sins, except for those who serve christ.

This is all I have to say for today.

Karen Lehman
Minister of Religion and Family Values
Acharom

Gold and Blood:
God's will is not to bring suffering to the world, but to offer people life. The Bible says that "God so loved the world that he gave his only son, and to whom ever believes in him will not perish, but have everlasting life!" It also says in Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin are death, but the gift of God is eternal life!" Remember that it was man who chose to suffer! It was man who chose to death and disease. It was man who chose to die, because of his sins. God only desires to save humanity, but many people chose to sin and their sin leads them to death, and not just hell, but to a literal physical death. Imagine if only we chose to follow God's law, then maybe there would not be as much suffering in the world! If people devoted themselves to one partner of the opposite sex for life, then there wouldn't be children dying in Africa or young women sterile and unable to have children. Maybe then our world would not be so plagued! If only people drank responsibly, then maybe there wouldn't be so much death in the streets! The most amazing thing about God's law is that it protects and if people followed it and lived by it then maybe our society would be a less stressful place. You all have not given God a chance and that is why many countries in this world suffer! God loved us so much to even give us a word, so that we would not increase the suffering in our lives and in the lives of others.

Even if you are Christian, you must recognise that nowhere are you told to enforce your God's word in law. Christians, if they feel they must lead, must lead by example.

Myopia:
A condom may protect your from pregancy and some diseases, but it does not prevent everything. 20% of people today carry HPV. It is an incurrable sexually transmitted disease that cause death in many women. it is also the leading cause of cervical cancer and many other health problems for women. HPV is a touch contaminated disease and any touch of the genetal region for more then ten seconds will spread the disease. There are people suffering for not obeying God's word! Not because God does not love them, no God loves them, but they do not listen to his word and now suffer the pain of their sin.

I went and did my own research on human papillomavirus from the online Encyclopaedia Britannica (following quotes are from this source unless stated otherwise). Although it appears that you are correct in saying that condoms are not very effective at preventing transmission for the "about 30 types [which] are spread through sexual contact" (US NIAID at http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdhpv.htm) - but "studies do suggest that using condoms may reduce your risk of developing diseases linked to HPV, such as genital warts and cervical cancer" (US NIAID again), you overstate the risk.

Firstly, "More than 70 types of human papillomavirus (HPV) have been described." Only some of these "are linked to genital and anal cancers" - meaning that an actual causal link has not been proven, only that "one or more of these high-risk type HPVs has been found in more than 90 percent of women diagnosed with cervical cancer.", however I will concede that they are most likely responsible - many of the strains "cause benign papillomas of the skin (warts)", which is clearly not a very serious condition. So even if you catch HPV it is quite possible that you will not have a very dangerous strain - "Most papillomas, whether found on the skin or in the mucous membranes of the genital, anal, or oral cavities, are benign and may actually go unnoticed for years".

On top of this, your 20% figure appears to conflict with Encyclopaedia Britannica, which says that "it is estimated that about 10 percent of the adult population in developed countries has papilloma infections of the genital tract".

Additionally,

http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/hw103503.asp?navbar=hw105403[/url]]However, many women may be infected with high-risk types of HPV but never develop precancerous changes or cancer.

Finally, I found that most infections will go away by themselves.

So yes, use of a condom is not foolproof. But it's still a fairly good solution, and education on safer sex techniques (including both use of a condom and common sense advice, such as getting checks for STDs) appears to be more effective than abstinence education.

In the end, if you properly educate people on safer sex and STDs, they can be left to make their own decisions about how much risk they are prepared to expose themselves to. You may believe their choices to be immoral, but as long as it's all consensual, it's not your business and it isn't for the state to enact laws on.

Whether you are a Christian or not, there is still one God and he is Jesus Christ. i am no longer talking to as an ambassador of Acharom, but of Jesus Christ. Everyone will answer for their sins, except for those who serve christ.

So have us answer to Him, not you and not the state. "Judge not, lest ye be judged".[/QUOTE]

Father + Mother + Children = Family. This is the proper definition of the traditional family structure which as been a God ordained building block of society since it's creation. To simply redefine or destroy this institution in the name of political correctness and a liberal inability to drastically disagree with homosexuals (an important voting bloc) is to tear at the very moral fabric of society.

How do you know god wanted it that way. We evolved since then, why can't our customs do the same. A marrige is having a partner in life, whoever that may be, man or woman.

"If people devoted themselves to one partner of the opposite sex for life, then there wouldn't be children dying in Africa or young women sterile and unable to have children. Maybe then our world would not be so plagued! If only people drank responsibly, then maybe there wouldn't be so much death in the streets!"

(way, way, way OOC)
bollocks.


(Back in character)
Let me get this straight. Two men have sex, so a child in africa has to die for it. This is the wisdom and mercy that your god shows to your people?

And this is the foundation on which you want to ban gay marriage?

And this is the foundation on which you want to ban gay marriage?

Yup. Next thing, they'll claim homosexuals shoot AIDS-beams out of their eyeballs.

Yup. Next thing, they'll claim homosexuals shoot AIDS-beams out of their eyeballs.

They don't? But the reverend told me in Sunday School they do! He also told me to vote Bush!! He must be right!!! ^_^

Everyone will answer for their sins, except for those who serve christ.
Acharom

Eh, just calling you on a technicality. Everyone will answer for their sins. Period. No matter if you serve god or not, you still have to answer for your sins. Serving God will help you avoid many sins, yes, but you still have to answer for the sins you do commit.

P.S. to Hirota...
Are you still reading this thread? I dropped it for a couple of weeks, and haven't seen you post anything lately.

Eh, just calling you on a technicality. Everyone will answer for their sins. Period. No matter if you serve god or not, you still have to answer for your sins. Serving God will help you avoid many sins, yes, but you still have to answer for the sins you do commit.

P.S. to Hirota...
Are you still reading this thread? I dropped it for a couple of weeks, and haven't seen you post anything lately.

In that case, god himself would need to answer for the most sins (creating a bloodthirstly religion, noah's flood, etc.). And those who use religion and god as an excuse may never leave hell.

In that case, god himself would need to answer for the most sins (creating a bloodthirstly religion, noah's flood, etc.)
Hm...seeing as this would be a paradox-like situation, and how systems of religious belief are not about to spontateously combust by such paradoxlike situations I would assume that most of those belief systems have some way of explaining this...:rolleyes:

They don't. They have just stuck around for so long they're not going to 'spontaneously combust', as you call it.

Also, the religions each have their own ways of dealing with arguments that make their tenets contradictory. These reactions range from unwillingness to discuss further, accusation of intolerance, accusation of heresy, fatwas, burning at the stake, etc, etc...

I agree. For too long have gays been tollerated by our world. Not only should we strip gays of any civil rights, we should start re-education camps to mold them into "moral" members of society. And if we run into hard cases, we can dispose of them at the camps, and use the remains to feed the current prisoners... er... I mean "students." Any who are deemed fit to re-integrate into our societies must, of course, be steriliezed to avoid the possibility of passing any weak genes on to the next generation, but that is the price our world needs to pay if it want true perfection. I think what these degenerates need is a heaping dose of Jesus. In fact, while we are at it, we should make Born again Christianity the official world religion and outlaw all others. Pre-school should be a period of indoctrination, after which the children should be hooked up to lie detector tests to make certain that they believe. It is the only way to ensure the moral compass of our peoples. The "armies of compassion" will destroy the fag love in our streets! Bush 2004!
:fluffle: :sniper:

That I had to read this twice to notice the sarcasm reveals the sad state our world is in...

God doesnt hate fags! that is the last thig in the world that is true He dos not condon their actions though He rather discourges it and says it is a sin. We must embrace homosexuals (not literally get you sick minds outta the gutter) and help them through this problem. Im way to lzy to go into details but any1 who says God hates fags is a moron.

We must embrace homosexuals and help them through this problem.

What problem are you referring to ? The fact they are gay or the fact that every narrow minded bigot want to persecute them?

If it's the second - good for you!
If it's the first then you are just as bad as the narrow minded bigots.

P.S. to Hirota...
Are you still reading this thread? I dropped it for a couple of weeks, and haven't seen you post anything lately.


I'm still reading it, although the arguements have appeared to have gone full circle in some areas...and i'm too lazy to repost my perspective ;)

lt has been discovered that homosexuality is a genetic trait in other animals.

Is it a consensus that such is true for people (being that we are animals)?
Or...
Is it a consensus that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice?

Just curious... no pun intended

lt has been discovered that homosexuality is a genetic trait in other animals.

Is it a consensus that such is true for people (being that we are animals)?
Or...
Is it a consensus that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice?

Just curious... no pun intended

I think it's probably a mixture of genetic and environmental factors, as with most things. Science does not yet have a clear-cut answer as to the exact causes. However, I don't feel it likely that gays have much of a choice about their sexuality - people can choose to repress it (repression often being unhealthy), but I don't believe they can just choose who they are attracted to. Otherwise I'm guessing many if not most, especially in the past when the bigotry was much worse, would have chosen heterosexuality.

EDIT: plus I don't think I've ever heard gays saying they chose to be gay.