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The Holy Republic of Shurr has currently enacted a law into its nation to repeal Abortion Rights to woman excepting in the case of Rape or when danger is present to the mother.

The Republic of Shurr desires not to repeal this law in order to be in accordance with the UN resolution cited below:

Abortion Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Vistadin

Description: Henceforth all women shall have the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not, no member nation will interfere with a woman's right to have an abortion.

Votes For: 9368

Votes Against: 6549

Implemented: Sat Jun 5 2004

Instead a proposal is being made to repeal the above mentioned UN resolution, and institute a ban against making related resolutions.

This ban would be implimented only towards the UN community as a whole, allowing for each individual nation to choose what rights are afforded their peoples.

This UN resolution was instituted with a voting record of 9368 for to 6549 against. At such a close margin it is clear that this isn't remotely a unanimous declaration.

The Holy Republic of Shurr recognizes its early status in the ranks of the UN membership but feels that this resolution stamps on Shurr's right to impliment social law by the will of its people and not any outside organization. This is one of many social repeals that Shurr is currently investigating amongst the UN resolutions passed in the last year.

Please consider this proposal keeping in mind that the UN resolution in regards to abortion rights is such a close vote.

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Read the stickies, please. Repeals are not allowed under the rules.

The NationStates N00B Network? Haven't heard of this one...

Repeals are not allowed. If you want, I believe you can try to pass a law that has what you want in it, but has not mention of repeals, but I would ask a mod first.

The NationStates N00B Network? Haven't heard of this one...Click the pic, Hersfold.

The Holy Republic of Shurr has currently enacted a law into its nation to repeal Abortion Rights to woman excepting in the case of Rape or when danger is present to the mother.

The Republic of Shurr desires not to repeal this law in order to be in accordance with the UN resolution cited below:



Instead a proposal is being made to repeal the above mentioned UN resolution, and institute a ban against making related resolutions.

This ban would be implimented only towards the UN community as a whole, allowing for each individual nation to choose what rights are afforded their peoples.

This UN resolution was instituted with a voting record of 9368 for to 6549 against. At such a close margin it is clear that this isn't remotely a unanimous declaration.

The Holy Republic of Shurr recognizes its early status in the ranks of the UN membership but feels that this resolution stamps on Shurr's right to impliment social law by the will of its people and not any outside organization. This is one of many social repeals that Shurr is currently investigating amongst the UN resolutions passed in the last year.

Please consider this proposal keeping in mind that the UN resolution in regards to abortion rights is such a close vote.

Can I just confirm that you are not trying to make abortion against the law in all UN Nations, but just in those that chose it to be so?

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

WHEN will you get it.

1. YOU may NOT propose anything which LIMITS the UN.
2. You can NOT repeal proposals, even through further proposals.

It does nothing to continually push the issue of repeal except further frustrate the other users and probably the administration staff.

This UN resolution was instituted with a voting record of 9368 for to 6549 against. At such a close margin it is clear that this isn't remotely a unanimous declaration.

The UN has never had, and probably never will have a unanimous decision so what's your point.

All other comments that I would be making at this time have already been said.

repeal....

I stopped reading after that word, no point wasting my time with it.

REPEALS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN GAME MECHANICS. NO DEBATE.

I don't believe that the UN should repeal the resolution that it passed. The limitations that your nation would put on the UN are far too heavy for those countries who are willing to give their nation's people free rights. Abortion should be the right of the woman. Pro-choice is the swaying of the Dominion of Castingsborough and the region of New Providence.

*Swings gavel in High Court of Castingsborough*

As Resolution repeals are now possible in the NationStates Game Engine and legal under NationStates rules, The Democratic States of Cogitation are now appealing to the international community to have United Nations Resolution #61 - "Abortion Rights" repealed.

It is my personal belief that unborn children are, or may be, human beings. People have rights to life and liberty (so long as people do not infringe upon the lives and liberties of other people), so as long as the possibility of personhood exists, care must be taken to protect their lives unless there exists good reason otherwise.

Cogitation is willing to allow abortions in cases of medical complication where the life of the mother is in jeapoardy. Cogitation is also willing to allow abortions in cases where the conception was due to rape, though we are a little more hard-pressed on this exemption. Cogitation is strictly opposed to abortions-for-convenience, opting instead to promote comprehensive sex education and legalize all forms of contraception that involve only the prevention of fertilization and do not involve the termination of a fertilized egg.

Delegates, Consuls, Ambassadors: I appeal to your sense of humanity, I appeal to your sense of mercy; by allowing abortions, we cannot be certain that we are not sacrificing the lives of what may be people.

Cogitation proposes the following official statement-of-argument for the repeal of this resolution:
Recognizing that it is not known for certain whether or not unborn children are people and deserving the rights thereof, the United Nations relegates the issue of allowing, prohibiting, or restricting abortions to the realm of national sovereignty until such time as the United Nations decides to again legislate on this matter.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

Cogitation proposes the following official statement-of-argument for the repeal of this resolution:
While the Frisbeeterian Corporate States remain adamant in their support of a woman's right to choose, we will nonetheless Approve this Repeal Request and vote for its passage.

This should have been a National issue all along, and remove of the UN authority will allow nations to make their own choices once again.

Edit: though we would be more like to Approve if it were actually in the proposal list.

I certainly approve of repealing the Abortion Rights resolution. The U.N. should never have legislated on such a divisive national issue.

repeal it

Edit: though we would be more like to Approve if it were actually in the proposal list.
I'm proposing a draft. :p ...just like I'd propose a draft of any other proposal idea before actually submitting it. ;)

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

I'm proposing a draft. :p ...just like I'd propose a draft of any other proposal idea before actually submitting it. ;)

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Aarghhh. Indeed.

Frisbeeteria is in favor of the draft phrasing exactly as written. It is concise, cogent, and to the point. Go for it.

Aarghhh. Indeed.

Frisbeeteria is in favor of the draft phrasing exactly as written. It is concise, cogent, and to the point. Go for it.
Okay, I've submitted it.

Ya, very hasty, indeed. But, I'm a Mod, I think I know what the rules are. ;)

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

Ecopoeia will support this repeal.

Varia Yefremova
Speaker to the UN

The Federated States of Sophista will support this repeal as well. Regardless of your stance on abortion rights, we can all agree that it's an issue for individual nations to decide upon. The United Nations has no ground to legislate on moral issues.

The United Nations has no ground to legislate on moral issues.
Actually, the way the NationStates United Nations is set up, it does have ground by the very existence of the "Human Rights" and "Moral Decency" categories. I'm just trying to get the NSUN to revoke legislation on this particular issue.

Nevertheless, I thank you for your support. :)

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

Although I usually don't usually go out of my way to support national sovereignty, I recognise that since my nation's own collective moral thinking about this issue is very conflicted, with neither moral argument having a clear-cut advantage in our opinion, I cannot at this time and in good conscience support forcing nations to come into line with either side.

Therefore, I support Cogitation's repeal.

Instead a proposal is being made to repeal the above mentioned UN resolution, and institute a ban against making related resolutions.

You may not ban the submission of any types of proposals.

At a national level, I have no issue with repealing this, on the assumption that the power to make laws on this issue remain in the hands of my government. Abortions will continue as they are in my country, and women (and their partners) will have the final say on whether they have one or not, not the government or the UN.

If however this repeal is the first step to banning abortions throughout the UN Nations then I would have to oppose it in the most strong manner possible.

The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites fully supports this repeal attempt.

Actually, the way the NationStates United Nations is set up, it does have ground by the very existence of the "Human Rights" and "Moral Decency" categories. I'm just trying to get the NSUN to revoke legislation on this particular issue.

My argument wasn't with the technicalities of the game engine. While the inclusion of such a topic as "moral decency" will always be a contentious issue with the Sophistan government, we nevertheless accept that it exists. However, it is our opinion that the power to legislate what is "moral" and what is not should be used extremely sparingly, and especially not on issues such as abortion or euthanasia. These are decisions governments should make, not global policymakers. A morality proposal would have to be very carefully worded and presented on a very specific issue for it to pass our litmus test of international justification. If you cannot clearly point out why this issue has tangible effects that circumvent borders, why should the global community even raise the question?

Ill vote for it