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Big Brother Satelite

A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.

Category: Moral Decency Strength: Strong Proposed by: Kowak

Description: Crime is on the rise, people feel scared. Currently governments are not succeeding in the fight against crime. Police numbers are few and those that there are inefficient with their bureaucratic leaders preventing them from doing the job they are paid to do. The answer is not hardcore policing.

The only solution to this growing problem is by introducing a “big brother satellite”. What this proposal aims to achieve is the introduction of a small tracking device linked up to global satellites.

These satellites will have detailed layouts of every building in every street in every country. They will be able to locate the exact location of any person in the world.

The Small Tracking Devices or STD’s will be small enough to be injected into someone without them experiencing discomfort.

Each nation will have a high tech computer facility, which will enable them to locate anyone.

Once a crime is reported all that is required is to look back over the “footage” and see who was there.

The STD’s will be injected into the human brain at birth. The brain is the only acceptable location as it will be unable to be removed.

This will act as the greatest deterrent against crime as there is a 100% guarantee that criminals will be found and will subsequently result in near zero percent crime rates. Crime rates will not be zero percent as there is nothing to stop extremists.



I URGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS PROPOSAL

First and foremost, I'd like to say that the people of Sophista will not tolerate the forced injection of STDs of any kind into their system. No matter how you interpret the acronym, it would be both disgusting and a gross violation of their civil rights.

By what right do you justify invading the privacy of every citizen on Earth, criminal or not, with an omnipresent police entity that has no oversight agency, no tangible control element, and no accountability? We would rather not see our people stripped of their liberties, especially considering we have no crime problem, even without the ultimate invasive police entity.

No thank you, good sir.

Well, first off, a better name for the tracking devices might be PTD - personal ones.

Anyway, this would make a much better issue than a UN proposal. Who wants the UN tracking their citizens and telling us what they're doing wrong? Maybe what they're doing is legal in my country.

Big Brother is a good name for the issue. Very 1984.

OOC:
How long does pepsi take to clean out of a keyboard! I needed that! :D

IC:
Considering that you are pushing STDs here, I'm requesting that you ensure that your proposal use proper protection when it beds down in the proposals queue with the rest of our proposals.

SERIOUS: Also I'm not completely sure on the category. It might be Moral Decency or it might be Political Stability. Political Stability is a political restriction (according to Cog) even if it says it is about law and order. That in mind, you might actually be correct.

Does anybody else have any experience here?

As for my government's position: there is no international justification that I can see. Did I miss it??? Otherwise, my standard reply is ... this sounds a lot like the daily issue.

Maybe he could tie it in to international terrorism or smuggling rings. A lot of the more high profile criminals don't respect national boundaries.

As far as category goes, it seems like a weird combination of Political Stability and Moral Decency. It restricts civil freedoms in the interests of law and order, instead of civil freedoms in the interets of decency or political freedoms in the interest of law and order. I don't think either category would achieve the desired effects, functionally speaking.

Maybe he could tie it in to international terrorism or smuggling rings. A lot of the more high profile criminals don't respect national boundaries.

As far as category goes, it seems like a weird combination of Political Stability and Moral Decency. It restricts civil freedoms in the interests of law and order, instead of civil freedoms in the interets of decency or political freedoms in the interest of law and order. I don't think either category would achieve the desired effects, functionally speaking.

I'm of the mind set that if it doesn't fit into a category just one, but if it mostly fits in one category, that that should be good enough.

But you are right, it is a strange hybrid. In fact, it is what my good samaritan proposal was kicked out for. Good samaritan laws take away a civil (not political) right from individuals, so that the society will have more order.

The question is, if moral decency actually does just that, then he has put this into the perfect category.

Tonight I'll post on technical and get some advice from there. If he has it right, more power to him ... provided those STDs stay away from my country. ;)

The category debate aside, there are still burdens the author must prove before this proposal can be considered good policy. Both are prima facie issues; that is, they come before any implications of the proposal. To put it simply, we have to make sure it meets the requirements to exist before we can judge the advantages and disadvantages of the proposal itself.

For the United Nations, the burdens are as follows: first, it has to fit within the game's mechanics, and jive with what the moderators have established vis a vi precedent. That doesn't seem to be an issue. Second, the proposal needs to have significant international justification, or else it runs contrary to the procedural rules established by Rights and Duties, as well as the spirit of the United Nations.

Hrm. Might write an addendum to the UNRWG about that.

For the United Nations, the burdens are as follows: first, it has to fit within the game's mechanics, and jive with what the moderators have established vis a vi precedent. That doesn't seem to be an issue. Second, the proposal needs to have significant international justification, or else it runs contrary to the procedural rules established by Rights and Duties, as well as the spirit of the United Nations.

Hrm. Might write an addendum to the UNRWG about that.

Well said!

I think that this proposal does not in fact have international standing (justification), but I'm more than happy to revise that estimate should a reasonable case be made (by anybody).

The notable exception in my government's opinion is when basic human rights (or the actual implementation of these) are denied, as my government has long held that governments and their citizens hold a "Social Contract" such as the ones described by Jean Jacques Rousseau (one of the many fathers of modern day democracy).

And on a glance, the subject of spreading STDs does not sound like a government protecting the wellfare of its citizens.

We see 2 additonal problems:

1. Do you really think that having detailed plans of every building etc is a secure idea? Do you have any idea what would happen if an organization or individual who had malicious intent obtained these plans?

2. Indiscriminate survelliance is never a good thing, as well as the fact it violates people's right of privacy.

A) it has no chance of passage

B) it's too silly for us to be discussing this seriously

C) do you know how many trillions of NS people there are? I see a proposal for "a" satellite. Gonna see all sides of a sphere with just one, are we? And it's gonna have resolution to pick untld trillions of individual signatures out of the background hash?

D) One of those zombies from the Zombie Familiarization Act has been eating my countrymen's brains. Since they show up on satellite, do they still owe taxes?

D) One of those zombies from the Zombie Familiarization Act has been eating my countrymen's brains. Since they show up on satellite, do they still owe taxes?

A: If they owe taxes is a domestic issue that can be decided in the Got Issues forum. I suggest you take your excellent idea there. :p

One thing ... the idea of "tracking" citizens isn't as far out there as many of you might think. First it is a daily issue already, and given that the point of some of those game categories is to "Assimilate Your Biological and Cultural Distinctiveness" I'd say that unlike the Zombie Act (which I thought was a hoot), this one is probably serious.

Keyword: RFID

Here is a USA Today Article (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/surveillance/2004-08-30-rfid-uniforms_x.htm)

A uniform-supply company says it uses microchips to better track the garments, but privacy watchdogs are concerned the tiny electronic devices also could be used to track the people wearing the clothing.

Now maybe the proposal sounds far fetched, but the USA Today article continues:

Those concerns are not ill-founded, say privacy advocates who fear that companies could use the tags to track customer movements and buying habits and that law enforcement agencies could use the technology to monitor citizens.

Do I think somebody cares about what I'm doing? Sure, if they think they can make a Spice Melange off me. ;)

The Constitutional Republic of Tekanian firmly opposes this proposal, on the grounds that it is a clear violation of the sovereign god-given rights of our people.

*reads the proposal*

NOT!

On that note, what is everyone smoking lately and where can I get some? The proposals are getting a tad sillier lately then usual. Stress from school?

*reads the proposal*

NOT!

On that note, what is everyone smoking lately and where can I get some? The proposals are getting a tad sillier lately then usual. Stress from school?

I've been smoking in Moderation ... wait whoops, that is I've been BURNED while in Moderation. ;)

The basic idea here, is not that far off for a government that willingly would trade civil rights for stability or security:

You might find the previous USA Today piece I posted interesting ... but if that doesn't get your skin crawling check out the following:


Human Chips More Than Skin Deep (http://news.com.com/Human+chips+more+than+skin-deep/2009-7337_3-5318076.html)


RFID chips cannot track someone in real time the way the Global Positioning System does, but they can provide information such as whether a particular individual has gone through a door.

Latin American customers are looking at both technologies for security purposes, which partly explains why some of VeriChip's early clients included Mexico's attorney general, as well as a Mexican agency trying to curb the country's kidnapping epidemic, and commercial distributors in Venezuela and Colombia.

I wouldn't have dreamed 15 years ago that today people would walk around like slaves to their mobiles, but they do. In the next 15 years we will see people tagging themselves. We'll probably also soon see interpetation chips added into the same mobile phones I personally don't care for.

Now I agree that this proposal is a horrible civil rights violation.

I'd say that the author of this proposal actually *has* some scientific basis, and like it or not, we'll be addressing this soon enough. I'd suggest that the appropriate measure would be to make it illegal to track people in other countries without the approval of those governments.

Basically let's pretend the following happens. A Klaatu decides that she wants to implant herself with RFID. She then goes to oh say Myopia which doesn't have RFID tracking ... no problem, but then she enters a neighboring state, say it is East Hackney (it isn't, but let's pretend). And let's pretend that East Hackney has this technology and follows her movements. While I'd say it is East Hackney's business that this Klaatu woman (a Mikitivity citizen) may have entered East Hackney and left a few times, never staying more than a few hours at the border ... hmmmm ... the reason that the Klaatu may have put the chip in herself wasn't so that East Hackney could track her movements, but so that if a Spice Melange deal when horribly bad that her friends might find her.

The protection (civil right) that might be enacted could be to actually make RFID information non-admisable (sp?) in court ... or even better, should East Hackney have the right to deny her entry into East Hackney if that government noticed that she spent some considerable time in the seeder locations in Mikitivity? I dunno ... I think there is certainly some room for discussion here on how our governments should treat this information.

Personally, I agree with you. This proposal looks a horrible cost to civil liberties. My government is won't vote for this, but I'm not sure that the tracking of people's movements through passive means like RFID has been dealt with. Do we want to do this now? Probably not. Should it be on our radar? Probably so.

If you are just looking for something to relax you ... I was recently introduced to some Agnostian Rum. I'd suggest contacting the Agnost Ambassador for some.

the DSH rejects this proposal out of hand - if we need to spy on someone, we already have enough satellites up there to do the job.

I reject this proposal,

My Empire does not want regional data on a global "spy" satellite. My nation is going to launch it's own satellite system soon that will only be used to control my territory.

A global satellite is not the solution for us to work better together. The crime in my country is my problem and I intend to keep it that way.

General Octaf
Highest in Rank

The Kingdom of Traxtonia fully opposes this proposal. Government should govern, not invade it's people's lives. I believe police measures should be taken care of by the individual governments, not the U.N.

Robert Anderson
U.N. Representative
A Place In The Sun Regional Delegate
Traxtonia

Oh...my...gawd. You have so totally got to be kidding me. So when I go up to the roof of the Pop Princess Palace to sunbathe, I have to be worried that some geekazoid at the space center is going to get a full shot of all my glory? I don't think so. Like I don't have enough problems with the wrong pictures of me showing up in the tabloids! I am so not supporting this. Not as a UN Delegate, and not as a world-famous celebrity and pop star who has to maintain totally strict control over her image.

So when I go up to the roof of the Pop Princess Palace to sunbathe, I have to be worried that some geekazoid at the space center is going to get a full shot of all my glory?
I think you misread the proposal, dear. All he's proposing is to track your activity. As far as high-res photographic sweeps go, this proposal doesn't cover that.

As it happens, Frisbeeteria does indeed have exactly that sort of satellite in orbit to cover the (ahem ... cough) Hataria / Hogsweat War (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=355683). To paraphrase the old joke ... "Got any naked pictures of the wife?" ... "Of course not!" ... "wanna buy some?"

You're really quite lovely, if a bit young for our tastes.

Big Brother Satelite

A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.

Category: Moral Decency Strength: Strong Proposed by: Kowak

Description: Crime is on the rise, people feel scared. Currently governments are not succeeding in the fight against crime. Police numbers are few and those that there are inefficient with their bureaucratic leaders preventing them from doing the job they are paid to do. The answer is not hardcore policing.

The only solution to this growing problem is by introducing a “big brother satellite”. What this proposal aims to achieve is the introduction of a small tracking device linked up to global satellites.

These satellites will have detailed layouts of every building in every street in every country. They will be able to locate the exact location of any person in the world.

The Small Tracking Devices or STD’s will be small enough to be injected into someone without them experiencing discomfort.

Each nation will have a high tech computer facility, which will enable them to locate anyone.

Once a crime is reported all that is required is to look back over the “footage” and see who was there.

The STD’s will be injected into the human brain at birth. The brain is the only acceptable location as it will be unable to be removed.

This will act as the greatest deterrent against crime as there is a 100% guarantee that criminals will be found and will subsequently result in near zero percent crime rates. Crime rates will not be zero percent as there is nothing to stop extremists.



I URGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS PROPOSAL

OOC: *sigh*

IC: Official Response to Domestic Issue Proposals

My God, have you lost your mind? We have this thing called national sovereignty. It's like that "tolerance" crap on a national level.

This is a domestic issue. Do with your country as you will, but don't start trying to tell my citizens what they can and cannot do. That's what they elected me for.

So when I go up to the roof of the Pop Princess Palace to sunbathe, I have to be worried that some geekazoid at the space center is going to get a full shot of all my glory?

And people wonder why Sophista concentrates on the space business. Sure, we can read the fine print in a phone book from 22,241 miles up with our Ikonos 412 spy satellites, but the fact of the matter is, sometimes the technicians get really, really bored.

The Commonwealth of Sakharov Island opposes this proposal. Not only would it be an unacceptable intrusion into the lives of citizens everywhere, it has already been made illegal under the "Stop Privacy Intrusion" Resolution passed by the General Assembly over two years ago. Our ambassador to the UN requests that this proposal be killed before it reaches the floor.

Our ambassador to the UN requests that this proposal be killed before it reaches the floor.
* MJ Donovan nudges the Sakharov Ambassador and speaks sotto voce *

"We generally don't bother requesting proposals be killed unless they have a chance in Hell of being Approved. It's kinda amusing to watch them flounder about trying to defend the indefensible. So we let 'em, most of the time."

* Donovan flips through the proposals queue with a growing look of puzzlement *

"Well, be damned. Somebody pulled it after all. Probably slapped the author on Moral Decency grounds. Can't say it's undeserved, now can we?"

the moderaters said the std's was crude humour at the time of print i didnt nor realise std'd was sexually transmitted diseases but i tell you this the proposal will be back up

Big Brother Satellite 2
A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order.


Category: Political Stability Strength: Mild Proposed by: Kowak
Description: Crime is on the rise, people feel scared. Currently governments are not succeeding in the fight against crime. Police numbers are few and those that there are inefficient with their bureaucratic leaders preventing them from doing the job they are paid to do. The answer is not hardcore policing.

The only solution to this growing problem is by introducing a “big brother satellite”. What this proposal aims to achieve is the introduction of a small tracking device linked up to global satellites.

These satellites will have detailed layouts of every building in every street in every country. They will be able to locate the exact location of any person in the world.

The Small Tracking Chips or STC’s will be small enough to be injected into someone without them experiencing discomfort.

Each nation will have a high tech computer facility, which will enable them to locate anyone.

Once a crime is reported all that is required is to look back over the “footage” and see who was there.

The STC’s will be injected into the human brain at birth. The brain is the only acceptable location as it will be unable to be removed.

This will act as the greatest deterrent against crime as there is a 100% guarantee that criminals will be found and will subsequently result in near zero percent crime rates. Crime rates will not be zero percent as there is nothing to stop extremists.

The global satellite network will not be used as a spying method. The chips will be online all the time but will only be active during the investigation into the crimes

The people of the Democratic States of Urrah are shocked and appalled that such a proposal is even being made. This would be a serious breach of privacy and civil rights. We do not support this as there are better ways to handle crime.
Our nation will leave the UN before this gets passed, not that anyone really cares what we do...
Hopefully it will not come to that.

the moderaters said the std's was crude humour at the time of print i didnt nor realise std'd was sexually transmitted diseases but i tell you this the proposal will be back up

Well, if it makes you feel better the term "STD" is now politically incorrect. They are now called "Sexually Transmitted Infections (STIs)".

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/STI-SAFESEX/stifacts.htm

I'm no expert on this, but when I was researching about Needle Sharing and HIV (which I did a heck of a lot of reading on) I found that the change was made. :) I suspect that the thinking is that STDs were being used to describe infections, which medically might not be considered dieases. But I'm not a medical doctor, so instead of listening to me, stick with Planned Parent Hood (which is an organization I trust).

BTW: This doesn't mean the Mods are wrong. I actually thought you were hiding an easteregg in your proposal as well. But I do think that if you want to walk around talking about Satellites as being STDs, more power to you, but don't be surprised if people are offended by that. It actually is better for you that they did something about this.

If you are serious about tracking and using the UN to do this, I highly recommend you go back and read the links I've provided on RFID. Spend a few days reading all about the pros and cons of passive tracking technology, because while I totally disagree with tracking like that, the debate would be cutting edge! :)

Big Brother Satellite 2
A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order.


Category: Political Stability Strength: Mild Proposed by: Kowak
Description: Crime is on the rise, people feel scared. Currently governments are not succeeding in the fight against crime. Police numbers are few and those that there are inefficient with their bureaucratic leaders preventing them from doing the job they are paid to do. The answer is not hardcore policing.

The only solution to this growing problem is by introducing a “big brother satellite”. What this proposal aims to achieve is the introduction of a small tracking device linked up to global satellites.

These satellites will have detailed layouts of every building in every street in every country. They will be able to locate the exact location of any person in the world.

The Small Tracking Chips or STC’s will be small enough to be injected into someone without them experiencing discomfort.

Each nation will have a high tech computer facility, which will enable them to locate anyone.

Once a crime is reported all that is required is to look back over the “footage” and see who was there.

The STC’s will be injected into the human brain at birth. The brain is the only acceptable location as it will be unable to be removed.

This will act as the greatest deterrent against crime as there is a 100% guarantee that criminals will be found and will subsequently result in near zero percent crime rates. Crime rates will not be zero percent as there is nothing to stop extremists.

The global satellite network will not be used as a spying method. The chips will be online all the time but will only be active during the investigation into the crimes

Wow. On a first read, it looks like you gave this a complete make-over.

Let me be the first to say "Thank you" for listening to our objects. This doesn't mean you have my support, as the idea of injecting anything into children sounds like a huge civil rights violation. People should be able to opt out.

But I did want to say that I do recognize that you are trying to work with us here. Please keep at it.

Rats, this one is serious. I had it pegged as the best humor proposal in a while :(

I mean, would you like someone watching you 24/7? though I plan on increasing Police Foce in the coming month(and a SP) Secret Police.

I've always known about STDs and STIs(those are not goos names for anything but what they mean already)

As it happens, Frisbeeteria does indeed have exactly that sort of satellite in orbit to cover the (ahem ... cough) Hataria / Hogsweat War. To paraphrase the old joke ... "Got any naked pictures of the wife?" ... "Of course not!" ... "wanna buy some?"

You're really quite lovely, if a bit young for our tastes.

Thanks. And ewwww....

It still sucks, though. I mean, if I feel like getting away from the papparazzi and the fans for a while, I don't want anyone knowing where I am. And who's to say that some janitor at the space center won't sell my info to the tabloids. Uh-uh.

Besides, science makes my brain hurt.

The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites didn't approve of this proposal the first time due to the STD reference, and we still don't like it this time because we just don't like the idea.

p.s. Hey Frisbeeteria, how much do you want for those pictures ;)

I cannot support such an intrusive resolution.

Mathieu Vergniaud
Deputy Speaker to the UN

the goverments already brainwash us. tap out telephone lines and read are emails look at our computer files.
this proposal does not intend to be a invasion of privacy and the checks in place in the system ensures that this happens
this system is the best way to fight crime and is the best deterent.

also think of all the good that can come out of it. people who are missing or lost at sea or a plane crash and there needs to be a search party this will be the quickest and best way

also think of all the good that can come out of it. people who are missing or lost at sea or a plane crash and there needs to be a search party this will be the quickest and best way
Scenario: Big Brother Wargames"Sergeant, uplink the automated grenade launcher to the Big Brother Satellite Downlink (BBSD)"
"Sir Yes Sir!"
"Dial it in to all Kowak registered military personnel within range"
"Already done, Sir!"
"Kick it, Sergeant. Let's blow their army to bits. With this system, we won't waste a single grenade, nor hit a civilian we aren't targeting intentionally. Think of the money we'll save on ammo"Scenario: Assassination"Prime Minister, the Kowak President just rejected our ultimatum again."
"How unfortunate for him, General. Do you have his BBSD coordinates?"
"Yes sir, we do. We've already programmed a cruise missle with live tracking data."
"Very well. Start the launch sequence. The command word is 'GO'."Scenario: Criminal Conspiracy"George, how'd you manage to tap into the Kowakian BBSD network?"
"Hell, Dan, it couldn't be easier. My brother does tech support for them, and he left his laptop at my house. All I needed was the IP address and his password, and the dumbass wrote it on a post-it on the screen."
"This is great, George. Now we can track the cops and see when they're getting near one of our safe-houses. They may be able to locate us too, but we'll always have enough time to hide any incriminating evidence."
"Sure Dan ... until some bright boy realizes what a stupid set-up this whole thing is and pulls the plug on the BBSD. In the meantime, let's exploit it all we can. It's like a money train."
"Speaking of which, go ahead and enter the coordinates for this morning's bank couriers. It's time to take down a couple dozen armored cars."Good thing nobody can use this sort of thing for the wrong purposes, eh, Kowak?

the incriminating evidence would be that you were tracked doing the crime at that place and time so you will get down anyway

there is no way anyone can hack into the system as it does not use telephone lines but direct satellite links which cannot be intercepted.
the system is 100 safe.

there is no way anyone can hack into the system as it does not use telephone lines but direct satellite links which cannot be intercepted.
the system is 100 safe.
[OOC]
I'm trying to come up with an answer to this, but it's hard to do so when you're laughing this hard ...

[IC]
Correct me if I'm wrong, sir, but won't UN nations have access to this datafeed? In my three scenarios above, weren't two of them the actions of sovereign national governments, and the third a plausible way for criminals to get into the system? All three scenarios demonstrated the potential for abuse by legitimate users.

As to your theories on hacking ... I can assure you that it is far easier to pluck something from the air than to sneak into another nation and link into their copper or fiber-optic lines. There is nothing about satellite technology that makes this more secure than land lines. Quite the opposite, in fact.

This has ceased to be amusing. We'll just stand by and watch this one flounder in the Proposal Queue, as many times as Kowak wants to submit it. This proposal is absurd, and has no chance whatsoever of achieving Quorum, much less passing.

Good Day to you, sir.

This proposal is absurd, and has no chance whatsoever of achieving Quorum, much less passing.
Ahh, such touching faith in the UN... ;)

the goverments already brainwash us.

Wrong. Universal Freedom of Choice resolution goes some way against this, with its ban on subliminal techniques

tap out telephone lines and read are emails look at our computer files.

Wrong again - Resolution "stop privacy intrusion".

Try reading the past resolutions:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357572

with such a system think of the billions that will be saved as crime will be wiped out the system uses a direct link with a 124 number password with 10 levels of security as soon as theres is a hint of interference then a change in passwords. all employees will be highly vetted

the system uses a direct link with a 124 number password with 10 levels of security as soon as theres is a hint of interference then a change in passwords. all employees will be highly vetted
Are you saying then that this is an independant system, and that UN nations will be monitored by a private UN organization? That the national governments won't have access to their own national data?

This grows more outrageous by the minute. No sir, we won't support this travest of intrusive interference. Not at all.

i am going to introduce a new proposal which will see the chips technolgy being thrown out and the introduction of a liquid chip which will be put on a persons arm and will blend in to their skin and will be totally harmless and will still contain the same information as the chip in the brain.

the new proposal will also see that the department incharge of the tracking system will be totally free from other govt departments and especially the military

their will also be a totally independent body set up which will be able to monitor the tracking system for any signs of hacking and signs of improper use and will have the ability to shutdown a nations usage of the system

Whatever you do, a system cannot be perfect. There will always be a way in. Besides, it's still a breach of civil liberties to force everyone to get chips implanted.

Just so I can increase the chance of the writer in question actually noting this fact :

Hmmm, a NATIONAL ISSUE ...

Remember these ?

#21: Police Consider "Big Brother" Anti-Crime System

The Issue
The Police department is considering installing surveillance cameras in all major public areas, in an effort to crack down on crime.

The Debate
1. "This is a blatant invasion of the right to privacy!" says libertarian web site operator @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Now I can't even go out in public any more without being watched? And you know this is just the beginning. Today there are cameras in city streets. Tomorrow they're peering through your bedroom window."

2. "Hey, I've got news for you," says Police media liaison @@RANDOMNAME@@. "When you're out in public, PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU. These cameras will be extremely helpful in reducing the national crime rate. Frankly, I can't see what the fuss is about."

3. "This 'slippery slope' argument has got me thinking," says Police Minister @@RANDOMNAME@@. "You know, it would be a lot easier to fight crime if we watched people all the time. Not with cameras, of course. That's clearly an invasion of privacy. But how about a national database of our citizens, coupled with compulsory ID cards and barcoding? It would stop crime dead in its tracks."