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I can't believe the Reasonable Environmentalism act failed to pass. It was so close - only needing 65 more votes - and now it's on the verge of being forgotten. You ignorant overzealous environmental fanatics have basically ruined the UN. The incompetence of you types is amazing. Any moron could propose an environmental act and chances are it will pass; while other excellent resolutions simply get ignored by the environmental cartel, and they fail to make it to a full vote. To add further fuel to the fire, environmental resolutions seem to be duplicates and triplicates of each other - we now have multiple resolutions which basically get the same goal accomplished. Enough is enough!

My advice is to resubmit the proposal, after all getting over 130 approvals in under a week is a tall order no matter what the proposal is about. Even the current resolution up for vote was submitted at least 3 or 4 times before it made it.

My advice is to resubmit the proposal, after all getting over 130 approvals in under a week is a tall order no matter what the proposal is about. Even the current resolution up for vote was submitted at least 3 or 4 times before it made it.
3 or 4? Serious understatement. I'd put it at about 10 to 15 in all.

If it fails to pass, re-submit, and TG the delegates who voted in favour the previous time. Eventually, you'll reach quorum, for a general vote.

Thanks for the advice. Hopefully the original sponsor of the resolution will read this and resubmit.

3 or 4? Serious understatement. I'd put it at about 10 to 15 in all.

If it fails to pass, re-submit, and TG the delegates who voted in favour the previous time. Eventually, you'll reach quorum, for a general vote.

I've gotten one resolution in the queue on two tries, another on the first try. My current proposal is probably gonna take those 10 tries. *shrug*

As for the proposal in question ... my opinion, what you guys have here is about as good as the Illegal Logging resolution. In other words, it reads like an angry note and not a UN resolution. Read the stickie above on how to write a resolution and I would suggest you guys clean it up a bit before resubmitting it.

You ignorant overzealous environmental fanatics have basically ruined the UN. The incompetence of you types is amazing. Any moron could propose an environmental act and chances are it will pass
By the way, you might want to consider toning down your language here. Not everyone who reads this is your enemy, and even some of the (potential) enemies of this proposal have provided helpful information on how to pass it.

Calling eveyone in the UN incompetent is hardly the best way to convince the UN to help you. It's certainly convinced me to not bother supporting this proposal in the future.

Calling eveyone in the UN incompetent is hardly the best way to convince the UN to help you.

Definitely, although it might to some extent be true. (I know that if I ever had to rely on my diplomacy skills to earn a real living I would be broke by now.) However, in a brilliant ironic move, calling everyone incompetent, also implies the writer is incompetent, because only an incometent diplomat would ever insult the very people who he needs support from. :D

3 or 4? Serious understatement. I'd put it at about 10 to 15 in all.


Sorry, I lost count of how many times it was submitted.

The only people who I called "incompetent" are the ignorant overzealous environmental fanatic-types. It’s curious how anyone could interpret this otherwise as I was quite concise.

It's certainly convinced me to not bother supporting this proposal in the future.

At the UN, You have that Democratic right, democratic rights you unfortunately don't extend to the good people of The Conglomerated Oligarchy of Frisbeeteria.

democratic rights you unfortunately don't extend to the good people of The Conglomerated Oligarchy of Frisbeeteria.
You say that like it's a bad thing.

The only people who I called "incompetent" are the ignorant overzealous environmental fanatic-types. It’s curious how anyone could interpret this otherwise as I was quite concise.

At the UN, You have that Democratic right, democratic rights you unfortunately don't extend to the good people of The Conglomerated Oligarchy of Frisbeeteria.

You missed the point of his advice. He basically said if you want people to help you, you have to stop calling them all idiots.

And no, you weren't concise. Being concise would have implied that you would have come out with a list instead of just talking about some spooky mysterious environmental lobby group that interestingly enough didn't come out to support your proposal.

My own proposal (Global Disaster Assistance) only got about 50 endorsements, but you don't see me crying like a baby about it. It didn't get 135 endorsements, because frankly most nations didn't care about it. That doesn't make them idiots. Hell, it probably means that I need to be *gasp* polite and ask them what it would take to get their endorsements.

Proposals rarely pass the first time through ... don't get upset by it, just make some changes and keep a positive attitude.

I was lucky, I had " Sexes " in my title, which got attention, and " Rights " which got votes. :D

Oh, and the fact me and he Black New World telegrammed every-single delegate listed in the game that night it was, and her sister proposal, were pasted up for endorsing. Of course, several weeks of on-forum development help.

I was lucky, I had " Sexes " in my title, which got attention, and " Rights " which got votes. :D

Oh, and the fact me and he Black New World telegrammed every-single delegate listed in the game that night it was, and her sister proposal, were pasted up for endorsing. Of course, several weeks of on-forum development help.

You are overlooking the fact that both of your nations are also well known and polite ... that does carry weight too.

I can't believe the Reasonable Environmentalism act failed to pass. It was so close - only needing 65 more votes - and now it's on the verge of being forgotten. You ignorant overzealous environmental fanatics have basically ruined the UN. The incompetence of you types is amazing. Any moron could propose an environmental act and chances are it will pass; while other excellent resolutions simply get ignored by the environmental cartel, and they fail to make it to a full vote.

This is the type of language you need to remove not only from your diplomatic communications, but your resolution if you ever hope to reach quorum with it, let alone pass it. Your dealings with people and some clauses of your resolution illustrate a pretty heavy bias that in and of itself isn't bad, but that manifests itself as insults against any who dare question the righteousness of preventing other people from proposing resolutions under a certain category.

That is essentially what you're doing, after all. You're asking people to limit their options. This is always a hard sell, and you're not selling very hard. Nobody likes being called an idiot or a member of a grand conspiracy because you failed to gain 6% of the delegates' approvals. You'll only lose votes this way.

To add further fuel to the fire, environmental resolutions seem to be duplicates and triplicates of each other - we now have multiple resolutions which basically get the same goal accomplished. Enough is enough!

Don't just whine about it, illustrate it. I still maintain that it's a moderation issue, but if you insist on writing a proposal about it, cite redundant resolutions and show where they overlap each other. Don't just wave around a laundry list of resolutions that you disagree with. If that's all you're going to do, just stick to the forums. That's what they're here for.

Just realized that our outraged partisan isn't even the author. Metzania (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=355114) wrote it, apparantly. Frisbeeteria wasn't a big fan of the proposal as worded, but we'll reread it carefully if it gets edited and resubmitted.

As for Capitalistia Minor ... let's just say they have an uphill climb in any future endeavors that relate to Frisbeeteria's interests.

You are overlooking the fact that both of your nations are also well known and polite ... that does carry weight too.I can feel the love, :D

. Nobody likes being called an idiot or a member of a grand conspiracy because you failed to gain 6% of the delegates' approvals.

Since this was not my resolution, it is you who has failed to do your homework.

Wow, this kind of crowd pleasing, ever so polite debate is really going to win support for the " cool your enviro-mental jets already ! " crowd.

" / scathing tone " ...

That reminds me, I have home-work due on monday ... :D

* Well, at least some one will have gotten something out of all this, eh ? ;)

Since this was not my resolution, it is you who has failed to do your homework.

That's a pretty nit-picky point, and in fact is one you shouldn't have made since it undermines the position you were assumed to have had on this subject. Nevertheless, certain facts remain:

1) The proposal limits a member's options, which will be a hard sell.
2) Your work is hindering vote collection for this proposal.
3) The language of the proposal is patronizing and clearly biased, while simultaneously failing to support its conclusions.
4) There is no environmental conspiracy; the author of the resolution failed to do the work necessary to gain 6% support among sitting delegates.