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Description: It is proposed by Leaky Cauldron that alcohol be banned from stadiums where sporting events are held. It is proposed that a stadium be defined as a facility in which a sporting event is held and has a capacity to hold more than 20,000 citizens. The following reasons are given for this proposal:

1. Many children attend these sporting events and by selling alcohol at these events exposes the children to the influence of alcohol.

2. Alcohol lowers the inhibitions of a person making it more likely for the person to commit crimes in the stadium. This causes a great security risk.

3. Selling alcohol at stadiums greatly increases the amount of Drinking While Intoxicated incidents.

Description: It is proposed by Leaky Cauldron that alcohol be banned from stadiums where sporting events are held. It is proposed that a stadium be defined as a facility in which a sporting event is held and has a capacity to hold more than 20,000 citizens. The following reasons are given for this proposal:

1. Many children attend these sporting events and by selling alcohol at these events exposes the children to the influence of alcohol.

2. Alcohol lowers the inhibitions of a person making it more likely for the person to commit crimes in the stadium. This causes a great security risk.

3. Selling alcohol at stadiums greatly increases the amount of Drinking While Intoxicated incidents.

Sounds like a wonderful domestic issue. My government wishes your "Moral Decancy" proposal wonderful luck in its conversion to a daily issue ... but until such time, my government feels that there is no international standing in this issue and will simply vote no on any domestic policy concerning alcohol.

We would not care to have to deal with the riots that would break out across large areas of urban East Hackney were beer to be banned from our football stadia and cricket grounds.

We would not care to have to deal with the riots that would break out across large areas of urban East Hackney were beer to be banned from our football stadia and cricket grounds.

I hope East Hackney's beer consumption continues to remain strong, for fear of somebody else claiming a huge boost in Soda Sales due to increased Soda production by a factor of 20 using millions of genetically cloned barely and hops harvesting whales all wearing the flags of rogue beer producing nations or priate hats! Har har har! ;)

I hope East Hackney's beer consumption continues to remain strong

Have no fear. The Sun may rise in the West, the mountains may crumble into dust, the seas may boil and the stars fall from the heavens, but the people of East Hackney shall continue to drink beer so long as they have hands to lift the glass with. And, if that proves a problem, they'll start drinking through straws.

This kind of meddling in other people's private affairs is the reason a freedom loving country such as ours could never join the UN. For a country to hold a position as the one in the proposition is appalling to our government and we feel sorry for the people of that country who obviously live under quashing oppression, not being allowed to decide for themselves what is good for them or not.

May your people for its own good rebel against your moralistic regime and failing that, all freedom loving citizens shall know that they are welcome to live in a free society within our boundaries should they wish to move.

I cannot support this proposed resolution because this is a completely regional issue and there is no reason the UN should be discussing it in the first place. I suppose it would make a dandy of a local issue, but there is no international element whatsoever in this proposal.

No two sports are alike, and no two sports fans are alike. But based on my observations of local sports events, alcohol can be reasonably served without problems if minor considerations are met. Limiting the containers alcohol is sold in ( for example no glass, only plastic or paper ), stopping sale of alcohol a reasonable time before the game ends, providing a "family section" where alcohol is not permitted, are all ways where the potential problems of alcohol can be reduced. Most so called alcohol problems are the result of the multiplicative effect of roudy fans and alcohol, eliminating one doesn't always solve the problem, because the fans are still obnoxious and roudy even without the added restraint inhibitor.

P.S. I think it is "Driving while Intoxicated." Mind you having a law that only allows suber people the right to drink would be a fascinating way to solve a lot of problems. "Sir, you're too drunk to drink." In any event, it's a regional matter. A fantastic local issue. But not a UN resolution.

This strikes me as too small a matter for the UN to spend time on.

Of course, I said that about that dumb DVD resolution too, and look what happened. :headbang:

First off, while it is clear that a number of us (including nations that tend to disagree) would not like to see alcohol laws be passed in the UN, I would like to point out that there is in fact a game category designed to allow and encourage these types of ideas:

(as taken from the NationStates United Nations Association page -- under construction):

Moral Decency (MD)
- Mild (M)
- Significant (S)
- Strong (St)
A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


So Leaky Cauldron, please do not be discouraged yet.

However I have another option to suggestion. If you feel that making a UN resolution will be difficult, you might want to consider making a submission to the daily issues.

Here is the NationStates forum where nations talk about daily issues:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1232

Believe me, I actually do understand where you are coming from, as I'm in the process of writting two resolutions (one of which could easily be a domestic issue about gun control, the other which focuses on the liability associated with first and "second" responders -- again, this may be better developed as a daily issue) and a separate daily issue about gender equality (in reference to Title XI). :)

The problem with submitting daily issues is they take forever for the mods to review, and most issues are rejected. :(

In any event, if you are looking for a category for your proposal, it sounds to me like a Moral Decency proposal, and I'd put the strength of your proposal at significant or strong.

One last piece of advice: if you fail to get support (endorsements or otherwise) try watering down the language. I was very afraid that my injecting drug use - HIV/AIDS resolution would spark all sorts of anti-drug and anti-HIV responses from nations, so I purposefully took a very "mild" / watered down approach to my resolution. It worked off ... the amount of hate telegrams I got were vastly out numbered by the number of letters of support! :)

Best Wishes,
10kMichael

Are there any resources available on how to make a good daily issue suggestion (i.e. sticky with pointers, mechanics ideas, etc.)?

Are there any resources available on how to make a good daily issue suggestion (i.e. sticky with pointers, mechanics ideas, etc.)?
There's a whole forum devoted to it. Got Issues? (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1232)

Are there any resources available on how to make a good daily issue suggestion (i.e. sticky with pointers, mechanics ideas, etc.)?

Yes.

The Got Issues forum is the best place for that. It is just like the UN forum, but instead of being a place to talk about UN resolutions, it is where players go to ask for and give advice about daily issues.

I also would encourage anybody whom is interested in finding help to seek out the nations of the North Pacific and the East Pacific, as there are some players who IMHO really draft up great daily issues. :)

I'm w/ everybody that says this sounds more like an issue than a UN resolution.

Im getting tired of these half thought out proposals in which people want to control MY people through thier ideals.

This frustration includes the above proposal and the current one under vote.

Have no fear. The Sun may rise in the West, the mountains may crumble into dust, the seas may boil and the stars fall from the heavens, but the people of East Hackney shall continue to drink beer so long as they have hands to lift the glass with. And, if that proves a problem, they'll start drinking through straws.


'ere oop North, we thought that all t'Southerners, such as those in East Hackney already drank wi' t'straws, with little umbrellas on t'top and with a cherry on a stick......

By Eck, 'ope we've not geet t'wrong impression oop 'ere...somebody must be drinking all that shandy we send down there......

By Eck, 'ope we've not geet t'wrong impression oop 'ere...somebody must be drinking all that shandy we send down there......

Indeed yes. We airdrop it onto our neighbours, the mad capitalists of West Hackney, as our first-ever campaign of chemical warfare.

I would most definitly pull my UN membership if this were passed. My freethinking, Libertarian society would never support a proposal that would take away the personal freedoms enjoyed by my nation. Next thing you know you will be proposing to make all drugs illegal, not just alchohol. Where do we draw the line? Will the next proposal include the banning of coffee shops and Tylenol?

NO! I WANT MY BEER! I will withdraw from the UN if this is passed!

NO! I WANT MY BEER! I will withdraw from the UN if this is passed!
Oooh, there's a threat.

Oooh, there's a threat.

That's right! You should be scared! :mp5: