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The proposal "Olympic Games" has reached quorum, and will be up for vote tommorrow!

I have created a new thread for this because the old one was getting a little cluttered, and was more about getting it approved and written than anything else.

Here is the proposal in full:


Olympic Games
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Hersfold (www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=hersfold)

THE NATIONSTATES UNITED NATIONS, in order to promote international well-being and athletic competition, shall hereby form an International Olympic Committee to organize and help host a bi-annual NationStates Olympic Games.

This committee shall be elected on the NationStates forums by nominational process. This vote shall be completed and a committee of 7 members will be elected two weeks following the passing of this proposal. This committee’s duties shall be as follows:

- To decide among a list of volunteers to host the Olympic Games
- To assist the host in the organization and completion of the games
- To organize the sign-up process for the Games.

The elected host nation's duties shall include:

- Providing adequate competition facilities, housing, security, transportation, training facilities, and neccessary anemities for the athletes participating, as well as their coaches and staff.
- Report upon the results for each event in the Games
- Do the above in a prompt and responsible manner

To prevent over-crowding of the host nation, there shall be no more than 200 UN member nations participating in each games.

An Olympic Games shall take place every 6 months, alternating between Summer and Winter Games. In each, sporting events that define that time shall be played according to the rules of their respective international organizations. The events to be played may be decided on by the committee.

The winners of each event, shall be awarded a Gold Medal unique to each games. The second place finisher(s) shall receive a Silver Medal of the same design, and the third place finisher(s) a Bronze Medal. In the event of a tie for any of these positions, 2 (or more) medals shall be awarded at that level.

These Games are to promote international well-being and sportsmanship. Before competing, athletes are to swear by this creed:
"The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph, but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered, but to have fought well."

Any athlete found cheating, either by violating the rules or by use of performance-enhancing substances, shall be disqualified and stripped of their earned medals and any set records. Any athlete found missing any required drug testing must take another, or be disqualified.


Many, many thanks to the following Delegates:
Markodonia, Ritwick, Nireva, Painful intrusion, East Hackney, Braaaiiiiins, Southern Arcadalia, Borylo, HulmeLowe, Peaonusahl, Atlantic Quays, Guerillas and Chimps, Freebud, Cyelas, Callistine, Hein, The Tommy Holiday Camp, Brunelian BG advocates, Maxitron, People and Happiness, Lamoni, Republica Roma, Tuesday Heights, Thel DRan, Leolio, Mojando 2, Smorkola, Regnat Populus, Faroukh, Kiwipeso, Endolantron, Kompalia, New Christonia, Xepillion, Leviathen, Mike Tedesco, Antiamer, Montreve, Kwazamarzians, Mcmoo, Ancient Races, EastCoastHusker, Vehkataipale, Phuckneckville, Meulmania, Sancia, Klaun, Ozalia, Great-Limburg, Nikovakia, Gandalf the Wise, Tomak ka Thanos, Beithir, Jovianica, Dyne of the Blue Storm, The Darkthrone, DragonsReach, Crunk Ones, Sapphire Hills, Kurgia, Drunken Butterfly, Mocsland, De Silva, Frightism, Orioni, Boxtopia, Newnationstatename, Lost _City_Of_Atlantis, Cohue, Asinine-ness, Lord-General Drache, Pocomoke, Widjitiwio, Thine Hedge, Politico-Legal Wonks, Alexein, Jeff Malcolm, Traxtonia, Tihland, Real Freedonia, Newsouthland, Moodgies, Chris is Cool Land, The Non French, Kandarin, Paixetsante, Achronia, Checkers McDog, Glasurol, James Carville, Sudaea, Chaos Empires, Gred, Captainstown, Palteau, Niteveh, Cleansing Flame, Waderow, Leaky Cauldron, The Gaza Strip, Holy Erat, Agehachou, The Shaft, Sanchez Ligalo, South Ural, Squatia, The Bruce, His Majesty, Mument, The Gifted, 0bsidian, Coolet, Freke, Tzorsland, Lhadatt, Proletarian Continents, Glabladia, Barhead, Candia, Frisbeeteria, Burglefloogah, Senior Boarding, Flibbleites, Sionna, EmoGold, Hilversum Grandeur, Park Slope-estan, Pants OGrady, Karvaya, Oskuland, Terrajeni, Mattabooloo, The Twin Stars of Gaia, Vampire Peoples, Portuglan, TheSamurai, TheSkwunkie, Sabatonia, and Neopolite,

all for approving the proposal and helping it to reach quorum.

Thanks also to:

Mikitivity, for helping with debates and drafting, and for volunteering for the IOC,

Sydia, for also helping with the drafting,

And to Svetsonvilleland, for helping with telegram campaigns.

If you have any questions about this proposal, please either post them here, or send me a telegram - my name in the proposal above is a link, and there is one in my signature below.

This may be jumping the gun a bit, but I am also accepting nominations and volunteers for the IOC at this time, in the event that this passes the vote. We need at least 7 candidates, and currently have two: myself, and Mikitivity. If you wish to join, or think someone else would be a good choice for the job, post so here. If you nominate someone else, though, they must accept the nomination to be considered a candidate. If this passes, I will more than likely set up an Invisionfree Forum for the IOC so that we may discuss Olympic "stuff".

Thanks again to those above, and please support this proposal!

Live Long and Prosper!

I nominate Komokom for the IOC.

Well done Hersfold! I'll be sure to campaign for your resolution within my region :)

Thank you, Markodonia.

And Tihland, thank you for the nomination. I will contact Komokom and ask him to accept or decline it.

The proposal from Hersfold :gundge: is utterly stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding for whan an Olympiad is. IT IS FOUR YEARS. Not two, not three. :headbang:

Also - the thread is an example of power abuse - just to clean stuff up Hersfold :sniper: creates a new thread. Whereas my thread on whaling is something he just blocks, because Heresford :upyours: thinks it should be somwhere else.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

by order
Lynx - Chieftain of the nomadic Gaupe

Gaupe, your maturity and respect leaves us all gasping in awe. Well said, sir!

"Hersfold, come hither at once! Give me your hand ..."

*slaps Hersfold's hand with a ruler*

"There. Now don't do it again!"

The proposal from Hersfold :gundge: is utterly stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding for whan an Olympiad is. IT IS FOUR YEARS. Not two, not three. :headbang:

NationStates hasn't even existed for four years. Six months seems entirely reasonable to me.

I would appreciate being in the IOC, so I'd nominate myself. I would also suggest that since there's a limited number of slots (for the 200, not the IOC. The IOC I don't have much of an opinion on where they'd come from), delegates who endorsed the proposal make up about 1/4 or so of the slots, to recognize they're support. That would be for the first 4 times, afterwards, they would be selected like any other nation.

I belive another reason for doing a shorter time period (also, it's two years if you count winter and summer) is to allow more nations to participate, since there're a very limited number of slots. As for the thread part, I don't know anything about that, so I'll stay out of it.

That's another point, nationstates is a different thing from real life. (In case you haven't noticed.) There're many more countries, UN has power, etc. Therefore, I don't see why it should be considered unusual or wrong for something to be based on the real world, but changed to fit our environment, like changing the time period.

I think an international games would reduce many of the tensions we frequently see in the world. My government supports winter and summer international games.

HEy Wait Here we are not talking about years we are talking about :confused: four :( damn years

it stupid to have :gundge: four years and boring too lets make it a reasonable time that can be waited and is not too short or too long

WE can choose between

1 year :mad:

8 years :rolleyes:

7 years :cool:

or at least 6 years :cool:


but every four years is toooooooooooooooooo Long


Trust me

The Federation O somalialand

HEy Wait Here we are not talking about years we are talking about :confused: four :( damn years

*snips a bit*

but every four years is toooooooooooooooooo Long

Well, yeah. That's why the proposal specifies six months.

I was fouled by GAupe


Six months is ok with me

and ssince iam a Un member i accept the proposal to be adopted

Well, yeah. That's why the proposal specifies six months.

^5 to someone who actually read the proposal before posting!

^5 to someone who actually read the proposal before posting!


what do you mean by ^5

It's internet shorthand for high-five.

When are we going to adopt the resolution

WE are ready aren't we

I belive there's a day between the time that the proposal gets enough endorsements to the time it's up for vote. Until then, we talk about how it's a great idea, and everyone should vote for it. Because they should.

The proposal should come up for vote at the next UN update... no idea when that is, I'm afraid, but I'm fairly sure it'll be within the next 12 hours. Until then, as Svetsonville says, there's not a lot to do but sit around stroking Hersfold's ego.

Gaupe, I have reported your post to the moderators. Please do not post here again. I will say no more on that topic.

Svetsonvilleland, you are the third candidate for the IOC.

And the proposal does specify 6 months, because 4 years, or 2 if you throw in the Winter Games, is far too long.

Gaupe, I have reported your post to the moderators. Please do not post here again. I will say no more on that topic.

Svetsonvilleland, you are the third candidate for the IOC.

And the proposal does specify 6 months, because 4 years, or 2 if you throw in the Winter Games, is far too long.

I have a question, though it's not too important; Are there going to be alternating Summer and Winter Olympics? So, would there be one Summer and one Winter every year?

Why don't we have a Spring and Autumn Olympics as well?

The proposal should come up for vote at the next UN update... no idea when that is, I'm afraid, but I'm fairly sure it'll be within the next 12 hours.
There's a good chance Markodonia's Sustainable Energy Sources will be the next proposal at vote. Unfortunately for Hersfold, it's not the sequence at which they reach quorum, it's the sequence in the proposal list. There was one point where there were four approved within a 5 hour window. Took weeks to clear.

Why don't we have a Spring and Autumn Olympics as well?

It may take the IOC months to just agree on which sports should be included, which is to suggest that the actual hosting of the events will be IMHO frequent enough.

Should this resolution pass (and I hope it does), I'd like to talk to Thel D'Ral or Infinite Loop as two possible locations to host the games. As you all know, both nations are located in the Pacifics (feeder regions) and have a long standing tradition in promoting international cooperation. My nation already has top men searching for potential other idea locations for the games, but I think two games / year will prove to keep the IOC busy.

There's a good chance Markodonia's Sustainable Energy Sources will be the next proposal at vote. Unfortunately for Hersfold, it's not the sequence at which they reach quorum, it's the sequence in the proposal list. There was one point where there were four approved within a 5 hour window. Took weeks to clear.

Good point, hadn't noticed that was so close to quorum. Does anyone have an exact time for the UN update? Markodonia's has only got 14 approvals to go and voting ends today...

I'm sorry if that happens :/ Still...if it does, it'll still go to vote eventually...

Y'know, since the accepted standard is 1 RL day = 1 NS year, you're either proposing that the Olympics occur every twelve RL hours, or that there will be approximately 182 NS years between each Olympiad. ;)

This is far too ridiculous to work for very long.

The few members of the IOC (as compared to the entirety of NS) gives them vast amounts of power. How exactly are the members chosen? Who gets to pick? Shouldn't the UN decide on that too? What 200 nations will get to go? Why do members I have no say on get to pick whether or not my nation goes?

No Olympics without proper representation. I personally feel that this resolution is a joke, and that the UN should not be involved, unless they have more say in the matter.

The athletes of my nation may be the best, but may never get tested. If I am recognized as a nation, why aren't I automatically recognized as a Olympic member nation? If you think that NS is far too large for this to work... then you just proved my point.

I personally feel that this resolution is a joke, and that the UN should not be involved, unless they have more say in the matter.


It is no joke, some of our nations really like the idea.

That said, as to your other questions, some of them are good. But I don't think it is realistic for us to create a 10-page document about the proposed UN IOC here and ask nations to read it first. Instead I'd suggest that the resolution be a "guide-line" for our nations. If it passes, then we can make a set of rules for the IOC that answers things like "How are nations assigned to the IOC" or "How can my nation send athletes to compete in the international games".

Again, these are fair questions, but I don't feel that justify voting against the idea.

I feel that there are big enough discrepences. I just wanted my voice heard. While this is all fun and games, it interests my nation how exactly things are to work. We are very wary of things that are open to interpretation. While the Olympics are important to international ties, they require more planning than is presently avaliable here. (ooc: im not even sure how you plan to pick winners)

No Olympics without proper representation.

The athletes of my nation may be the best, but may never get tested. If I am recognized as a nation, why aren't I automatically recognized as a Olympic member nation? If you think that NS is far too large for this to work... then you just proved my point.
There's an Olympics topic running right now in II. Go have a look.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=351343

There are any number of interesting ideas in there, and pretty much anyone can participate ... including you. The difference here would be that it's only open to UN members. The chances of finding over 200 nations willing to role-play any given game are slim to none, in my opinion ... plus, who's gonna take the time to count them?

UN Proposals have to be defined in some sort of reasonable way. Hersfold did a fine job. Once it passes (and there's no reason to assume it won't), you're welcome to play, or host, or officiate, or whatever.

You just have to show up.

dude the olympics are going to be impossible to rp!!! dont vote for this!! anyone who votes for this say hi to the :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: brothers!!

I want to say that the UN should not be the ones to choose members since the UN has messed up serveral things. I believe that having the nation that have hosted in the past be allowed to become members of the commitee later on down the line.

OOC: I just don't like the UN for screwing up my econ. THANK A LOT

dude the olympics are going to be impossible to rp!!! dont vote for this!! anyone who votes for this say hi to the :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: brothers!!

There's been a whole lot of criticism based on people's personal inabilities and prejudices. If you aren't up to RPing well, then don't come. This is simply an opportunity for those people who are good RPers and who would like to put some time in to do an Olympics-style event. As was shown in the other link, it's possible, and has been done.

As for the UN deciding or not, it's not about the UN screwing up things like the economy, (Don't like it? Then get support against it or leave the UN, don't just complain.) it's about time. As was mentioned before, the UN takes a long, long time to be able to do anything. We're simply trying to pass a bare-bones resolution giving UN support to the idea. The details will be taken care of by the people who helped to create the resolution, I would assume.

For nay-sayers, why don't you let it go. If it's impossible to set up, laugh when we fail. If it's impossible to RP, laugh when we fail. If there're going to be too many nations, laugh when we're swamped. If there're going to be too few nations, laugh when noone comes. However, if it works, we'll have had a fun time, and you'll have just been another person shouting why it can't work, all the while we're making it work.

Vote for this resolution. What harm can it do to you? Unlike previous resolutions, this won't force anything upon your nation, you can choose to come or not. It won't tax your nation, we've already got a resolution saying the UN can't tax. Laize Faire. Let alone. If it doesn't hurt you in any way, or anyone else, why not help it?

Mikitivity had described a sort of system in the old thread about how winners would be chosen, how athlete choosing would work, etc. It will all be ironed out in a few weeks after we instate the IOC and I set up their forum on Invisionfree (all that is assuming this passes, I know. Obviously, if the proposal gets defeated, this is all a moot point.)

And Markodonia, in the very likely event that your propsoal does get those last 5 approvals, good luck with it. It looks very well-written and is wholly worthwhile.

I can see know that we need an FAQ for this proposal, due to all the questions that are answered in the proposal.

1) How are the members of the IOC being chosen?

The IOC is a group of 7 members. They are all basically volunteers, and are chosen by the following process:

A member is nominated by a UN member nation (You may nominate yourself)
The nominee, if they want the post, accepts the nomination.
If accepted, the nominee becomes a candidate.
If, by the end of the week following the proposal's passing, there are more than 7 candidates, there will be a vote here on the forums to decide who will be an actual member.

This process has already begun. We currently have 3 candidates: myself, Mikitivity, and Svetsonvilleland. We also have a standing nomination for Komokom, but he has not yet accepted or declined it. If anyone else wishes to make a nomination, please post here. You may nominate yourself.

2) How often are these games?, or, Don't you know an Olympiad is four years???

I am well aware that an Olympiad is 4 years. However, since NationStates is not 4 years old, and I really doubt many, if not, any, of you will still be around in 4 years.

So, the NS Olympiad is 6 months - RL time. We are not going to hold an olympiad twice a day - that is not possible or even sensible.

3) Who may participate?

Unfortunately, only UN members may participate in these games. This is a UN resolution, and can have no effect on non-members. However, this is not to say that a nation named "My Nation's Olympic Team" cannot suddenly appear, join the UN and participate in the Games, claiming they are here in honor of a nation that is not in the UN. ;)

4) Do we have a Winter Games?

Yes. The games alternate between Summer and Winter. Therefore, a Summer Games will take place every year, and a Winter games will also take place every year. (OOC: this is the same as in the real Olympics, where we actually have an Olympics every 2 years, when a Summer Olympics only takes place every 4th.)

5) When will the first Games be?

I am thinking that the first Games will be in December. There will be a LOT to discuss before any Games are run. Whether or not this will be a Summer or Winter Games, I do not yet know - that wil be an issue for the IOC to decide whether or not to bias this towards Real-life Austrailia and those others under the equator, or towards the Northern Hemisphere.

6) Where will the games be held, and how will the location be chosen?

Like with the membership, we will have a few nominees, who will accept the nomination should they wish to host the Games. After a certain number of candidates have been announced, the IOC will have a vote to decide who will host.

7) What will the host do?

The Host will do the majority of the posting of results and events in each games. The IOC will be present to assist, and will provide the host with a list of all events to be played, and most likely a list of nations and athletes.

8) How long do we have to wait for this to pass?

Well, first, thanks for being so confident in the proposal. :D

Just kidding. Anyway, It would seem that we will actually have to wait a week before this reaches vote, as Marodonia's proposal Sustainable Energy Sources will probably get 5 more approvals between now and the next update. And then a week for the vote to finish. And then if there are not enough candidates at that point, a week to get enough. And then a week for the IOC membership vote. So we are looking at a month of work on this, yes. Fun, fun, fun.

If there is anything else at this point, I will be more than happy to answer it... if someone else doesn't beat me to it.

And please, we need candidates for the IOC!!! If you think someone might want the post, nominate them! If it turns out they don't after all, they can always decline. If you want a post, nominate yourself and make it easy.

Thanks to all who are supporting this, and good luck to Markodonia with your proposal.

Live Long and Prosper.

Edit #2: Can we PLEASE stop using offensive smilieys on this thread?!?!? This is not an "I hate the UN thread" - we now have an official thread just for your rantings. If you do not like the proposal, then say so, with reasons, POLITELY, and shut up unless someone starts a debate on it. Like was said above, if you don't like RP'ing, bug out. I will report the next post I see with those finger smilieys in it.

great job, the olympics is greatly appreciated in everything :p

[QUOTE=Svetsonvilleland]There's been a whole lot of criticism based on people's personal inabilities and prejudices. If you aren't up to RPing well, then don't come. This is simply an opportunity for those people who are good RPers and who would like to put some time in to do an Olympics-style event. As was shown in the other link, it's possible, and has been done.[QUOTE]

Then why not just make it an RP thing. And those who want to join can. I don't understand how draggin the UN in helps. The Olympics are an independent thing anyway. If you make it just RP, which you probably will do if this does not pass, then you can changes rules eaiser and not have to deal with any of the difficulties proposed.

Personally, I think many nations have already mis-used the UN. Not everyone understands it. I don't think I hate it, but with my interest in the game growing, I think I might look into seeing what parts of the UN can be fixed to solve any delimmas.

This is an RP thing. "Draggin the UN in" helps because it makes it easier to keep nation from joining more than once, sets a schedule for these games (one every 6 months or so, instead of whenever someone feels like it), and just makes it more "official." The IOC will easily be able to change the rules as needed - that is why we are actually going to have one instead of the usual "this group exists, but not really" thing, like was the case with my previous UN Educational Committee. The resolution says the committee exists, but no one is doing anything with it. Here, the committee will exist, and will be able to clarify things as will be neccessary, without the need for a second proposal, like again is the case with my UNEC proposal.

And btw, Koshou, I was not really targeting you with the "please stop insulting the UN" comment - I did not really notice that you were particularly against it in your posts.

There's a good chance Markodonia's Sustainable Energy Sources will be the next proposal at vote.
Unless I miss my guess, Markodonia's up next. He's got his approvals.

This is an RP thing. "Draggin the UN in" helps because it makes it easier to keep nation from joining more than once, sets a schedule for these games (one every 6 months or so, instead of whenever someone feels like it), and just makes it more "official." The IOC will easily be able to change the rules as needed - that is why we are actually going to have one instead of the usual "this group exists, but not really" thing, like was the case with my previous UN Educational Committee. The resolution says the committee exists, but no one is doing anything with it. Here, the committee will exist, and will be able to clarify things as will be neccessary, without the need for a second proposal, like again is the case with my UNEC proposal.

And btw, Koshou, I was not really targeting you with the "please stop insulting the UN" comment - I did not really notice that you were particularly against it in your posts.

Exactly what I thought! The UN is for making it more official, the IOC is for details.

Okay, so, with that resolved, a question: Does anyone know why it takes the UN so long to do anything? My thought is that the admin has to code each proposal for how it will affect the rest of the nations, things like that, and that's why it takes so long. However, if this is true, are they going to change it in NS2? I realize I'm going off topic, but I thought it applied somewhat, and there are somethings that won't fit in any category well, so deal with it. :p Well, here's hoping that yet another proposal doesn't pass before this comes up for vote.

HEy Wait Here we are not talking about years we are talking about :confused: four :( damn years

it stupid to have :gundge: four years and boring too lets make it a reasonable time that can be waited and is not too short or too long

WE can choose between

1 year :mad:

8 years :rolleyes:

7 years :cool:

or at least 6 years :cool:


but every four years is toooooooooooooooooo Long


Trust me

The Federation O somalialand

The Commonwealth of Hyphaeria would like to make a claim that the Federation of Somalialand has sort of bordered along the lines of contradiction.

How could you say 4 years is too long since you mention 6, 7, and 8 year gaps seem more reasonable? or did you somehow make a grammerical typo by saying years instead of months?

much appreciation upon your response preferably ASAP.


although keeping to topic, NS olympic games does seem like a good idea, however i would like to add my correction to the proposal:

In the event of a tie for any of these positions, 2 (or more) medals shall be awarded at that level.

why don't the IOC just make a new medal inwhich to show you came in equal position to a fellow competitor?

and another note, even though it seems not such a bad idea, it indeed would be rather difficult to RP as too many people will do god-modding (as in doing all sorts of RPing to say they are somehow godly superior which is utterly stupid on RP these days), and people would also claim alot on cheating or claim the judges/IOC are corrupt/rigged.

so overall with my thought, i like the idea, but i do not think it will work as due to difficulty of RPing it, unless someone can come up with a massive and technical idea on how to infact make it work fairly and properly.

The Commonwealth of Hyphaeria would like to make a claim that the Federation of Somalialand has sort of bordered along the lines of contradiction.

How could you say 4 years is too long since you mention 6, 7, and 8 year gaps seem more reasonable? or did you somehow make a grammerical typo by saying years instead of months?

much appreciation upon your response preferably ASAP.


although keeping to topic, NS olympic games does seem like a good idea, however i would like to add my correction to the proposal:



why don't the IOC just make a new medal inwhich to show you came in equal position to a fellow competitor?

and another note, even though it seems not such a bad idea, it indeed would be rather difficult to RP as too many people will do god-modding (as in doing all sorts of RPing to say they are somehow godly superior which is utterly stupid on RP these days), and people would also claim alot on cheating or claim the judges/IOC are corrupt/rigged.

so overall with my thought, i like the idea, but i do not think it will work as due to difficulty of RPing it, unless someone can come up with a massive and technical idea on how to infact make it work fairly and properly.

I believe that it's going to depend on the IOC judges. I think that they'll have to not compete in any events that time, if it's a rotating post, or ever, if it's permement. I think that for the most part they should be hands-off on it, but if they notice that The Republic of XYZ seems to be winning every single event with posts like, "XYZ's athlete's are just amazing and win another gold," then I think we'll just ban them. Also, even if someone doesn't win, making poor posts would cause a penalty from the judges. At least, that's my interperatation.

I believe that it's going to depend on the IOC judges. I think that they'll have to not compete in any events that time, if it's a rotating post, or ever, if it's permement. I think that for the most part they should be hands-off on it, but if they notice that The Republic of XYZ seems to be winning every single event with posts like, "XYZ's athlete's are just amazing and win another gold," then I think we'll just ban them. Also, even if someone doesn't win, making poor posts would cause a penalty from the judges. At least, that's my interperatation.

i dont disagree with any of this, but still, if we are to have a NS RP olympics, its going to have to be rather well-structured and planned. unless someone/people have already begun planning it my guess is that it would take a bit of a while, but thats my opinion.

if im missing something please say so ASAP (prefered).

i dont disagree with any of this, but still, if we are to have a NS RP olympics, its going to have to be rather well-structured and planned. unless someone/people have already begun planning it my guess is that it would take a bit of a while, but thats my opinion.

if im missing something please say so ASAP (prefered).

I belive that Hersfold has it fairly well figured out. I think that the IOC could hammer things out in as little as one week, though it'll probably take more like, but not more than (I don't think), a month.

I belive that Hersfold has it fairly well figured out. I think that the IOC could hammer things out in as little as one week, though it'll probably take more like, but not more than (I don't think), a month.

I did read the original proposal on the first page, but what is still unclear to me on how the whole thing is to be controlled as in how it is to be RPed (as in the "mechanics" of it).

I don't know if it's just me i'll shut up.

I belive that Hersfold has it fairly well figured out. I think that the IOC could hammer things out in as little as one week, though it'll probably take more like, but not more than (I don't think), a month.

It will most likely take a few months.

The IOC will need to set some rules of conduct for the athletes competing. Find a venue (aka off-site forum). Choose a few sports. Find some judges (well, I think we can run the game numerically). And then solicit nations to send the best athletes.

Nations will also need time to "train" their athletes (sp?) before sending them.

But I think we'll do a LOT of talking with roleplayers and technical forum people, as they are really great at these sorts of things.

Vote for this resolution. What harm can it do to you? Unlike previous resolutions, this won't force anything upon your nation, you can choose to come or not. It won't tax your nation, we've already got a resolution saying the UN can't tax. Laize Faire. Let alone. If it doesn't hurt you in any way, or anyone else, why not help it?

Well, actually you have a resolution saying the UN can't tax your citizens, directly. Mikilivity and co are attempting to pass a resolution to tax your nation directly. There's currently a proposal to prevent that loophole from being used to tax UN members. See the proposals for more details.

As to the Olympics - you have my support, and I'll see about getting Antarctica available for a Winter Olympics. Though it will have to be held in the (Northern Hemisphere's) summer...

It may take the IOC months to just agree on which sports should be included, which is to suggest that the actual hosting of the events will be IMHO frequent enough.

One would hope note. A simple thread and a position of "accept all that have at least six athletes from six different nations - and are legitimate sports" would do for a start. Poll the nations taking part on exit polls about what they want more of, and want removed, and keep it going as such. Simplicity.



Should this resolution pass (and I hope it does), I'd like to talk to Thel D'Ral or Infinite Loop as two possible locations to host the games. As you all know, both nations are located in the Pacifics (feeder regions) and have a long standing tradition in promoting international cooperation. My nation already has top men searching for potential other idea locations for the games, but I think two games / year will prove to keep the IOC busy.

It will pass. The question is writing up the IOC Charter, testing requirements, etc.

I did read the original proposal on the first page, but what is still unclear to me on how the whole thing is to be controlled as in how it is to be RPed (as in the "mechanics" of it).

I don't know if it's just me i'll shut up.

No, I'm glad to explain. I think there was a link earlier to an Olympics RP, that's a good example of what we're going to do. The IOC will set up the ground work, location, rules, nations selected, etc. Then, there'll be an RP. This is hard to describe if you haven't done it, but basically the nations make up something, and word it well, following unwritten ettiquette. (Do a google search and you can probably find a complete written list.) In case there are people who don't realize that, no, in fact, it would be considered wrong for your nation to win the gold in everything, the IOC will have the power to eliminate posts, remove nations, etc., so as to not allow it to degrade into "I hit you!" "No you didn't, I hit you!" "Nu uh!" "Yuh huh!" "Nu...You get the picture. I think I got it all there, and right. Did I miss anything?

No, I'm glad to explain. I think there was a link earlier to an Olympics RP, that's a good example of what we're going to do. The IOC will set up the ground work, location, rules, nations selected, etc. Then, there'll be an RP. This is hard to describe if you haven't done it, but basically the nations make up something, and word it well, following unwritten ettiquette. (Do a google search and you can probably find a complete written list.) In case there are people who don't realize that, no, in fact, it would be considered wrong for your nation to win the gold in everything, the IOC will have the power to eliminate posts, remove nations, etc., so as to not allow it to degrade into "I hit you!" "No you didn't, I hit you!" "Nu uh!" "Yuh huh!" "Nu...You get the picture. I think I got it all there, and right. Did I miss anything?

There are several "uncheatable" dice rollers online, which would allow for random results, or results based on characteristics determined for a team's athletes.

On top of that, there could be the RPing of athlete training, time and funds spent, etc and so forth.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

I note that Hersfold threatens me, and will have my ass kicked if I post again here. However, that kind of bullying is not worthy a UN member - and from a whalehunting bararian nation as ours Hersfold must accept some strong language.

First: An olympiad is every fourth year. If it is not, it is not olympic.

Second: Hersfold proposal is brilliant in terme of promoting sports and peace etc.., but it endagers our community because the words Olympic etc etc. are trademarks and are even protected by an RL UN agreement "the Nairobi treaty". The whole server could be closed down just from us "playing IOC and Olympics"

Third: Sure, we need games more often than every fourth year

SO: let us call it the NATIONSTATES UN GAMES or something like that - or lets have a name competition - and games every half year sounds fun!

Hersfold: Our brave people send you our deepest excuses :fluffle: for whatever hurt your nations' proud feelings. Let us meet in a great UN sports games, where we will beat the **** out of your athletics.

I nominate MYSELF for the IOC to repersent Milkshak

Unless I'm extremely mistaken, they don't bother attacking people on the basis of trademark use unless you're making money out of it, or giving the rightful owners of the name a bad reputation.

Surely the name olympic doesn't relate to it being four years, but to Mount Olympus, where the Greek Gods were believed to reside? Anyway, using the name Olympic makes it easily recognisable to everyone.

Can I put in a request to have a foil fencing team competition? I think fencing would make for some excellent RP.

Ummmm .... where did it go? It seems to have dropped out of queue.

Hersfold, better have a chat with the mods. This may be the first time we've had 2 successful proposals in queue since the move to Jolt, and it might have gotten dropped. That would be most unfortunate.

Gaupe, I accept your apology, but stand by the reasons stated earlier as to why 6 months will be an Olympiad here.

Milkshak, I accept your nomination. You are now the 4th candidate.

HOWEVER - One of the moderators seems to think that this proposal would cause a game mechanics issue because of that very nominational process. I see no relation between voting for IOC members and NS game coding, so am arguing my case with the mods. Everyone, if you wish for this proposal to eventually pass - please go to the thread below and support the re-instatement of "Olympic Games"

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=352344

Due to the massive amount of support from our regional delegates and those who posted here, I will try as hard as I can to get this proposal back in the UN. Until then, however - everything is in the air.

The United Federation of Hersfold
UN Member
Founder, Part123
Author of UN Educational Committee and OLYMPIC GAMES
Candidate for the IOC

perhaps, set up a 'regional' olympic games, and continue with the medal winners from that into a more prestigious olympic contest, say, once every 2 years? alternating, just like the real thing? this way, we truly know who is the best in the world! :D

I would stand at 6 months. This contest may open to all anyway.

The Most Glorious Hack has just announced that the proposal was removed on the grounds that the UN cannot create an entity in the forums, and therefore is a game mechanics issue. I have withdrawn my intent to follow this proposal and have accepted my warning.

HOWEVER, the Olympic Games will continue! Following the articles of the deleted resolution, the IOC will be officially formed at least one week from now! I am going to set up a thread in the Role Play forum for nominations, since this is no longer a UN issue. I ask that all who supported this as a proposal support it now! The only difference here is that this can no longer be a UN resolution.

THE OLYMPIC GAMES WILL COMMENCE!

The appeal has been lost. This proposal will not be re-submitted, nor will it be placed to vote. Greatest apologies to those who wished to see this passed, but I do not beleve I should actually be the one apologizing. The Olympic Games will continue. I will provide a link to the thread in a moment.

Is anyone else starting to get really annoyed at the admin? I mean, it's not like it would be extra work for him, it's simply saying that the UN would recognize something on the forum. We're not asking to add war or something. I, for one, really hope that with NS2 this changes, as there would be more money there, but I have a feeling it's going to be the same. "We're going to make the features, you use them. Now go and give us money." Things like raiderplay are a great example, you'd think the UN could ban it, but no, that would change gameplay.

Hey, I actually like the idea of having a regional Olympics and sending winners to a step between regional and internation Olympics and then sending winners to the International Olympics. That way you wouldn't have to restrict the quantity of people in it so much.

Is anyone else starting to get really annoyed at the admin? I mean, it's not like it would be extra work for him, it's simply saying that the UN would recognize something on the forum. We're not asking to add war or something. I, for one, really hope that with NS2 this changes, as there would be more money there, but I have a feeling it's going to be the same. "We're going to make the features, you use them. Now go and give us money." Things like raiderplay are a great example, you'd think the UN could ban it, but no, that would change gameplay.

You can't even condemn region crashing, at least in the UN. Though technically the UN can't condemn itself either. Of course the enforcement of both of these game rules is frequently inconsistent.

As for implementing an olympics in NationStates 2, I've had only limited interest in my ideas on the subject located at:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=351319

A few of us like the general idea, but I think others are worried about the "coding". They may in fact have a point, since NS2 is like a carrot that is dangled in front of us all, but just always out of reach. ;)

You can't even condemn region crashing, at least in the UN. Though technically the UN can't condemn itself either. Of course the enforcement of both of these game rules is frequently inconsistent.

As for implementing an olympics in NationStates 2, I've had only limited interest in my ideas on the subject located at:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=351319

A few of us like the general idea, but I think others are worried about the "coding". They may in fact have a point, since NS2 is like a carrot that is dangled in front of us all, but just always out of reach. ;)

I'll believe NS2 when I see it. It sounds like it will be a pay service. If they try running it like they've run NS, they'll soon find that noone is willing to go to a non-responsive site and pay money. Most places use their free versions very effetively (sp?), by making it enjoyable and playable by itself, but making the pay version better. This would be a good idea for them, but they'd have to be willing to actually *gasp* change things when people have simple ideas.

Why has the resolution been deleted?

Why has the resolution been deleted?

They said it changed gameplay.

They said it changed gameplay.

Where do you find out such things, out of curiosity?

I think it has been pointed out on Moderation in this case ... and of course there is mIRC ...

Where do you find out such things, out of curiosity?

Well, I personally was very involved in this project, so I was talking to Hersford (I don't think I spelled it quite right) fairly often, and so I heard about it that way. I think it's a gray area. When you read the rules, I can sort of see why, but it doesn't seem like it would've been that hard to change.