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It has come to my attention that countries are allowed to have gay marriage, this is totally wrong!! Marriage is legally wedding one man, and woman, thats how it should be.

Option 1

Allow individual nations to ban or allow gay marrige.

Option 2

Ban all gay marriges.


Please consider this very carefully

It has come to my attention that countries are allowed to have gay marriage, this is totally wrong!! Marriage is legally wedding one man, and woman, thats how it should be.

Option 1

Allow individual nations to ban or allow gay marrige.

Option 2

Ban all gay marriges.


Please consider this very carefully



"Marriage" is a cultural concept, nothing more. As such, it may be conceptualized in any manner desired. There is no "right" or "wrong" concept.

Option 1 is already in existance as no nation needs permission to do something within it's own borders. Option 2 is simply silly and shows an inflexibility normally reserved for fundamentalist snobs.

So, your proposal has been carefully reviewed and found wanting of any sort of meaningful thought.

We wish you luck in your next life, which will most certainly be on the other side of the equation.

"Marriage" is a cultural concept, nothing more. As such, it may be conceptualized in any manner desired. There is no "right" or "wrong" concept.

Option 1 is already in existance as no nation needs permission to do something within it's own borders. Option 2 is simply silly and shows an inflexibility normally reserved for fundamentalist snobs.

So, your proposal has been carefully reviewed and found wanting of any sort of meaningful thought.

We wish you luck in your next life, which will most certainly be on the other side of the equation.

stuff like this makes me want to pull out of UN

Keeping on the fence in regard to this .... " issue ", might I point out what your asking for is not legal a-la game rules/mechanics. You can't repeal past U.N. resolutions at this time. That is that I'm afraid, while [violet] is working on coding in such a feature, it is simply not going to happen any-time soon that we know of.

stuff like this makes me want to pull out of UN

<sigh> I've lost count of the number of times I've seen recent members trying to do something that is not doable....

It's disappointing that so many wade in without understanding the mechanics of the UN.

If you want to leave the UN, then fine, leave, membership is up to you. But realise that in the UN, most nations are liberal, and as such, would take the view that sexial orientation should be no barrier to marriage. If your views are contrary to this, then maybe you should leave the UN.

New Vinnland, a steadfast supporter and defender of human rights and civil liberties, wholeheartedly opposes this proposal. New Vinnland, being a secular state, must also reject this proposal due to it being based solely on religious grounds (this is the assumed basis of the proposal, since no explanation was given as to why gay marriage is "wrong").

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

More repealers. :mad:

What Komokom said.

Also, what exactly is your problem with gay marriage?

If it is religious, then answer me this - why should those who do not follow homophobic religions have freedoms denied on the basis of scripture, which can never be proven to be the word of any deity? Have faith for yourself, fine, I'll defend your right to your own beliefs, but how can you justify forcing that on others?

If it is that marriage is for reproduction, and gays can't reproduce, then do you also support banning marriage after the menopause and for infertile individuals? Would you make it mandatory for those who marry to reproduce?

If your argument is that it is unnatural, A) many animals show natural homosexual behaviour and B) why should we avoid doing something simply because it might not be natural? Should we abandon technology and go live in caves?

Actually, erm, if you're a UN member, you not only can you allow gay marriage, you're obligated to.

At this point, I'd like to quote one of my favorite thingies on the subject.


1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid becasue they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire counrty. That's why we have only one religion in America.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

10. Children can never suceed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to things like cars or longer lifespans.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "seperate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Seperate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as seperate marriages for gays and lesbians will.

Thanks for that Kelssek!

Kittlings this proposal is definately illegal.

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

you guys really scare me. from now on i will refer to your coiuntries as "gay" countrys.

The member for Cave Canem allows himself a rare expletive under his breath.

There is little more that needs saying on this. Debate is a non-starter. Gay marriage, as 99.9% of UN members recognize, is enshrined in a previous resolution. At this time passed resolutions cannot be repealed.

This is a simple issue of lack of understanding of basic mechanics of NS and it's worrying to see it manifest itself in the UN (again).

Can someone remind this member what time the bar opens in the hallowed corridors of the UN..?

Member for Cave Canem

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid becasue they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire counrty. That's why we have only one religion in America.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

10. Children can never suceed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to things like cars or longer lifespans.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "seperate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Seperate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as seperate marriages for gays and lesbians will.


LMAO thanks Kelssek

Can we have a sticky or announcement that has as its title "Gay marriage irreversibly legal in all UN states"? That way, even if people who don't visit the forum keep proposing, we won't have to put up with people who don't bother to open each sticky before posting - they should see it at the top of the forum page.

Sticky http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=312419

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

you guys really scare me. from now on i will refer to your coiuntries as "gay" countrys.

My country has a sexual orientation! Good for it! It was so confused, it was depressed and doubting, but now… well.

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

Gay marriage or the like is strictly a national issue; any attempt to internationally infringe this on any nation within the United Nations is an outrage to our country and our allies.

you guys really scare me. from now on i will refer to your coiuntries as "gay" countrys.

We're glad you noticed our strong showing in the latest Happiest Citizens ranking. Now if you'll excuse me, I have two wives and a husband to get back to.

Nusku Capleton
Special Liason to the UN
Rehochipe

This sort of resolution would be a repeal of something previously passed, namely the Gay Rights resolution put forth by the nation of Kundu passed ages ago. The resolution reads:

Description: WHEREAS it has been clearly witnessed there is an outspoken minority who wish to oppress gays. We, the People's Republic of Kundu and the other peoples of the world wishing for the preservation of freedom and the respect of all hereby resolve that all member nations of the United Nations must pass laws protecting people from discrimination in all parts of life. We also resolve that gay marriages be protected and endorsed by law in the member nations.

Game moderators do not allow for repeal of prior resolutions. Don't waste any more breath on this one.

Additionally, your membership in the UN means you are obliged to abide by UN law, and as such, the force and effect mandates gay marriage in your country. Don't like it? There's the exit door (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=un).

Ho hum, dust it down, and let's hear the same ol' conversation, yes, it's back, for a repeat viewing, more bigotted than before.....it's the gay marriage debate.
Why should anyone care what, who, how many or whatever someone marries, as long as they are happy?
Anyone have any new ideas to debate? Bahgum has no problem with folks sexual preferences, only with those who are militant about it..in either direction. Keep it to yourselves and be happy we say!

Bahgum.

If it is religious, then answer me this - why should those who do not follow homophobic religions have freedoms denied on the basis of scripture, which can never be proven to be the word of any deity?

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Whereas, There is a need for more religious tolerance on Earth. Therefore be it resolved that the United Nations support and promote a greater understanding of all religions and promote more tolerance of differences of religion.

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That means people with religious convictions that allow them support of gay marriage should be tollerated equally of those who do not. Either way it doesn't mean codifying any religious conviction into law, including specifications of who should marry.

That means people with religious convictions that allow them support of gay marriage should be tollerated equally of those who do not. Either way it doesn't mean codifying any religious conviction into law, including specifications of who should marry.

I don't mean to suggest that

But now that you mention it...doesn't the gay rights resolution make specifications as to who should marry?

I don't want any people responding telling me that I'm a southern, neo-nazi, middle school drop-out, troll who needs a serious makeover. It's just a question.

It is as I said, either way it doesn't mean codifying any religious conviction into law, including specifications of who should marry.

On the grounds of civil rights equity, governments are obligated by the resolution to recognize the legal rights afforded by marriage to gay couples as well. It's a position taken completely outside of religious matters or tolerance. Nations issuing marriage licenses simply have to issue them without regard to the gender of both parties involved.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you maintaining that "banning" gay marriage would be codifying religious convictions into law?

Oh, ok. You're still confused about my first post here. I was not suggesting that the religious tolerance resolution somehow precluded the gay rights resolution. That might clarify things.

My country has a sexual orientation! Good for
it! It was so confused, it was depressed and doubting, but now… well.

Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

Thank the gods (probably) Iakeokeo is not a member of this insane
organisation.

In my nation, men marry women via a Marriage ceremony.

Women marry men via a very similar Marriage ceremony.

Men who like men do not marry. They have a party.

Women who like women do not marry. They have a party.

The actual Marriage ceremony gives no additional "rights" in my land, thus
everyone is more than happy with simply being with their friends.

If people are inclined to do nice things for couples, of whichever permutation,
they free to do so.

Where's the problem again..?

(( Did I hear someone say "LAWYERS" and "stupid LAWS"...!? ))


-Keiki'olu I'ake'oke'o
Current "Big-Diggah" and "Chief Head-Whompah"

"May prosperity and freedom from silly rules be your destiny..!"

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