NationStates Jolt Archive


This resolution is a much bigger deal than you think

Neo Portugal
30-07-2004, 23:02
This resolution has very little to do with the trafficing of women. Basically, it is saying two things: 1) that women are legally allowed to sell their bodies, but no one can buy them, and 2) nations are no longer allowed to partake in the "recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons".

Think about this folks. We are no longer allowed to move people unless they allow us to. We can no longer move prisoners of war. We can no longer allowed to hold prisoners in our jails. Anytime we wish to imprison or remove people against their will, we will no longer be able to do this, regardless of whether or not these people NEED to be moved or imprisoned for national or public security! If this resolution is passed, we're talking about a possible breakdown of social, political and military order!

Say NO to resolution Ban Trafficking in Persons.
Thankyou.
Komokom
31-07-2004, 10:18
1) Many people think the resolution is a load of wank.

2) Sadly, most voters judge from reading the title, or don't to any, even slight, research on the forums or past resolution list.

3) There are now 5-6 threads for this bloody thing. Would it really kill people to keep it down in future ? We all know almost no-one likes the thing, but it would not be too bad to keep most arguments in one or two threads, it makes it harder for people fighting against to have to combat across several threads. I mean really, minimise egos, maximise forum space people ...
Tuesday Heights
31-07-2004, 14:31
I, along with my region, voted for this resolution, and since it's most likely going to pass, unfortunately, other issues can't be addressed, such as the women issue, with it.
Letila
31-07-2004, 20:53
Why should you be able to transport people against their will? So you can enforce your laws? Violent statists.
Kal-Garion
31-07-2004, 21:09
Without law why have a government? Why have a nation? Benevolent anarchy works in a very smal environment, but in a large nation it's totally impossible. Don't be so quick to chastise nations for enforcing their laws.
Letila
31-07-2004, 21:45
Governments are good only for violence. We shouldn't have them. These countries should actually get rid of crime rather than use governments in a vain attempt to scare people into line.
Enn
01-08-2004, 05:38
Kal-Garion, you do not want to get in an argument with Letila over anarchy. It will all end in tears.

The Council of Enn voted against this resolution, simply because it does nothing that hasn't already been done.
Neo Portugal
02-08-2004, 20:28
Bah, another stupid resolution is passed because the majority of voters never look through the forums.... sigh....
Polish Warriors
03-08-2004, 06:08
Perhaps you should prescibe some of your own medicine to yourself Komokom?
When dealing with ego's and all that is.
RomeW
03-08-2004, 08:23
This resolution has very little to do with the trafficing of women. Basically, it is saying two things: 1) that women are legally allowed to sell their bodies, but no one can buy them, and 2) nations are no longer allowed to partake in the "recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons".

Think about this folks. We are no longer allowed to move people unless they allow us to. We can no longer move prisoners of war. We can no longer allowed to hold prisoners in our jails. Anytime we wish to imprison or remove people against their will, we will no longer be able to do this, regardless of whether or not these people NEED to be moved or imprisoned for national or public security! If this resolution is passed, we're talking about a possible breakdown of social, political and military order!

Say NO to resolution Ban Trafficking in Persons.
Thankyou.

You missed something...the resolution reads:

"'Trafficking in persons' shall mean the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation."

Someone going to jail isn't being exploited.
The Wyrd Wyrm
03-08-2004, 20:04
My government insists people work to pay for their time in jail as much as they are able.

Murderers who refuse to work are executed, the money saved per year from not keeping them is used to save premature babies, children with rare disorders/diseases etc.

But you could argue I am "exploiting" the criminals.

This bill was rubbish, aside from anything it was sexist, and I think that makes it against UN rules?