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The Government of Alzakara would like to make a proposal that we hope works. Weapons Registration. We, the Government of Alzakara, and a member of the United Nations, wish to have this in place in order to have saftey in our nations.

Article 1: All publicly and privetly owned wepons, amunition, and accesories must be registered to their government.
Article 2: In order to possess a weapon, the person(s) must pay a small registration fee to their government, where they will recieve a licence that will last 25 years.
Article 3: The person must have his/her license with them at all times and especially when they are using their weapon.
Article 4: Usage of the weapons MUST NOT violate any national or UN laws and resolutions. If they do, the person(s) will be courtmarshalled and sentanced according to the laws they broke prior to this resolution, and also must face a MINIMUM of 10 years of prison for breaking the rules of this resolution.
Article 5: Person(s) carrying a weapon that is not registered will face courtmarshal and if found guilty, face a minimum of 10 years in prison.

If you have any suggestions to make, or add anything, please do do, and when we have our 2 endorsements, we will be proposing this to the UN.

The Dictatorship of Dalimbar supports the notion of weapons control, and will ask my regional delegate to use this. :cool:

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To my memory there is already a national level issue which may spring up for your nation and give several options relating fire-arm registration ... in fact there are I think at least two regarding fire-arms and fire-arm legalisation and such ... There-fore I fail to see why ...

* Falls asleep, its so late here now.

Good thing I don't have a life to be tired in, in 8 hours :) .

And the point of all this is?

I mean beyond going on a mad powertrip over your peasants.

I think this is about guns, isn't it? I mean, knives are are weapons too. As are baseball bats, tire changing irons, beer bottles, womens spiked heel shoes (trust me... they're weapons), toe nail clippers, frozen legs of lamb, and coconuts, as well as just about anything else you can wield. Personally, I don't want to have to pay a fee to register my frozen leg of lamb and coconuts then wait 25 years to eat them to get my moneys worth.

The Democratic Republic of Meatopiaa, as a free and democtratic society, cannot support a resolution of the United Nations regarding citizen gun control (cleverly disguised as "Weapons Registration"). That, is a domestic issue as far as Meatopiaa is concerned.

In particular;

Article 2: In order to possess a weapon, the person(s) must pay a small registration fee to their government, where they will recieve a licence that will last 25 years. (*Having a fee is not a problem, but limiting the license to 25 years... what's the point? Plus, I like leg of lamb and coconuts. That's a whooooole lot of registration fees. I don't have that kind of money!)

Article 3: The person must have his/her license with them at all times and especially when they are using their weapon. (*Why would I have to have my weapon "license" with me "at all times", if I'm not currently in possession of my "weapon"? For example while I'm at Wally World amusement park, enjoying the Puke n' Die rollercoaster, where bringing weapons inside are banned by the owners of Wally World?)

Article 4: Usage of the weapons MUST NOT violate any national or UN laws and resolutions. If they do, the person(s) will be courtmarshalled and sentanced according to the laws they broke prior to this resolution, and also must face a MINIMUM of 10 years of prison for breaking the rules of this resolution. (*I can see you're serious about controlling the use of "weapons". But to "court marshal" my 10-year old, who's not even old enough to be in the military yet, for having in his possession a frozen leg of lamb and a coconut, is just not right.)

Article 5: Person(s) carrying a weapon that is not registered will face courtmarshal and if found guilty, face a minimum of 10 years in prison. (*Is that in a military prison or local government prison? And if I forget to register my leg of lamb and coconut, 10 years minimum out the gate is pretty harsh!)

Consider refining your proposal. Try a resolution about the general populations possessing "fully automatic" firearms (machine guns), plastic explosives, things of that nature. That may gather support. But I don't know... while the government of Meatopiaa does not allow his citizens to possess weapons like machine guns and plastic explosives already, I would probably prefer to keep any and all "possession" of weapons under local domestic jurisdiction.

Good luck! ;)

The Peoples Republic of Antor approves this proposal, but only with changed articles. We cannot accept the proposal as it is at this moment. Antor would changed the proposal to this form;

Article 1: "Every single piece of weaponry, which includes any type of balistic weoponry, combat-knives, swords, sword-alikes and accesories, must be registered to official authorities."
Article 2: "In return of this registration, a license to own the piece of weopnry, will be given to the owner."
Article 3: "The Licence must be approved by both the official authorities and the owner's medical attendant."
Article 4: "The owner must have 3 copies of this license, one copy to remain at the official authorities, one copy to be included with the weapon, and one copy to be in the owner's each at all times."
Article 5: "In order to posess a piece of weaponry, the owner must be recognised as being able to wheel the piece of weaponry and respect it and it's use."
Article 6: "The ability to do so, must be recognised by official, independent observer, aproved by their respective governement and the owner's medical attendant."
Article 7: "Any piece of weaponry must both be registered and licensed to be legal. If the piece of weaponry is not registered and/or licensed, it is not legal, and therefore, found illegal."
Article 8: "Usage of the weapons must not violate any national or United Nations laws and resolutions. If they do so, the owner will be courtmarshalled and sentenced according to the laws they broke prior to this resolution, and also must face a minimum time in prison and/or a must pay a significant amount of money, depending on the type of weaponry, for breaking the rules of this resolution."
Article 9: "Persons carrying a weapon that is not registered, will face courtmarshal and if found guilty, face a minimum time in prison and/or a must pay a significant amount of money, depending on the type of weaponry."
Article 10: "If a person is using a weapon for "sports", like (schermen), the weapon must remain at the the practise and/or training facility and must be registered by the facilities owner. No weapon can be carried outside this facility."
Article 11: "Public display and/or use of any piece of weaponry is strictly forbidden, unless permission is given by the official authorities."
Article 12: "For illegal pocess of any type of sword-alike weaponry, a sum of 500 dollars and 100 dollars per two not-registered weeks, must be payed."
Article 14: "For illegal pocess of any type of combat-knife weaponry, a sum of 1000 dollars and 250 dollars per two not-registered weeks, must be payed."
Article 15: "For illegal pocess of any type of balistic weaponry, a sum of 2500 dollars and 500 dollars per two not-registered weeks, must be payed."
Article 16: "For illegal pocess and/or use against any other individual of any sword-alike weaponry, a sum of 750 dollars and 200 dollars per not-registered weeks, must be payed. Also, the person who uses this piece of weaponry, will remain in prison for a period, depending on the type of crime and the amount of damage done with the piece of weaponry."
Article 17: "For illegal pocess and/or use against any other individual of any combat-knife weaponry, a sum of 1250 dollars and 300 dollars per not-registered weeks, must be payed. Also, the person who uses this piece of weaponry, will remain in prison for a period, depending on the type of crime amount of damage done with the piece of weaponry."
Article 18: "For illegal pocess and/or use against any other individual of any balistic weaponry, a sum of 2500 dollars and 500 dollars per not-registered weeks, must be payed. Also, the person who uses this piece of weaponry, will remain in prison for a period, depending on the type of crime amount of damage done with the piece of weaponry."

Though not the intention of weapons registry here, I can tell you that a good number will balk at weapons registry since it has preluded to weapons confiscation and bans by local governments.

And who is to regulate this?
What laws will be used?
If someone from country A breaks the law by using his/her weapon against someone from country B, who's local law takes precedent?

Is the UN now prepared to create prisons so that its laws can be enforced?
Or will it simply require that the member nations house their criminals at costs to us?

The Confederacy of South Puyallup adamantly opposes any type of weapons registry scheme, including this proposal.

As has been stated in the past, the nation of Sophista is loathe to wield the power of the United Nations as a cudgel against the right of a nation to dictate policy within it's own borders. I fail to see a clear need for the international community to voice an opinion on this issue. There are far more dangerous things in the world than small arms to spend our time regulating them.

I concur with the honourable Mr Hillaker.

Mathieu Vergniaud
Deputy Speaker to the UN

As does the Telidian government.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
Office of UN Relations
HM Government of Telidian.

A little note is to be made;

"Yes, almost everything can be used as a weapon, including your frozen leg of a lamb or the coconunts. However, we need a more specific discription of a "weapon". A weapon is a man-made, invented and developed object, developed with the specific cause of doing harm to other pieces. Frozen legs nor coconuts are made, invented nor developed by mankind, it are all products of nature. Also, they are not specifically designed for harm. Therefore, frozen legs and coconuts are not seen as weapons."

"We would also like to add this; whenever you make a proposal to promote or demote something, ALWAYS describe what you are trying to promote or demote. For this proposal, a decent description about weaponry is to be made. We hope our description and opinion about what is a weapon is being understood by everything. If you do not agree, or you wish to add or substract something to or from this proposal, please do so."

The Peoples Republic of Antor

The Peoples Republic of Antor also notes we will revaluate the proposal made in the form it is now.

The Peoples Republic of Antor

Registration and license;

Article 1: "A piece of weaponry is a man-made object made with the specific target of doing harm to other creatures. This does not include any accesoire made for a weapon"
Article 2: "Every piece of weaponry must be registered to the official authorities and licensed by the official authorities."
Article 3: "A license to pocess any piece of weaponry must be validated and approved both by an independent medical attendant and psychiater."
Article 4: "Individuals who have been involved in any form of serious crime or are not in full pocess of self-control, will not be allowed to pocess any piece of weaponry."
Article 5: "Three copies of this license will be given to the owner of the piece of weaponry. One is to remain at the official authorities, one is always to remain with the piece of weaponry, one is to be at the owners disposal at all times."


Use;

Article 6: "Any piece of weaponry must both be registered and licensed to be legal. If the piece of weaponry is not registered and/or licensed, it is not legal, and therefore, found illegal."
Article 7: "Usage of the weapons must not violate any national or United Nations laws and resolutions. If they do so, the owner will be courtmarshalled and sentenced according to the laws they broke prior to this resolution, and also must face a minimum time in prison and/or a must pay a significant amount of money, depending on the type of weaponry, for breaking the rules of this resolution."
Article 8: "If a person is using a weapon for sports, it must remain at the the practise or training facility and must be registered by the facilities owner. No weapon can be carried outside this facility."


Forbidden;

Article 9: "No individual is allowed to use a weapon against any other individual or creature."
Article 10: "Public display and/or use of any piece of weaponry is strictly forbidden, unless permission is given by the official authorities, and will be heavy punished, depending on the type of weapon and public actions."


Punishement and penalties;

Article 11: "Illegal pocess and/or use of a weapon will be punished by a significant sum of money and/or a period of stay in prison, depending on the type of weapon and the period in which the weapon was not registrated and/or licensed."
Article 12: "The punishment for breaking any of this rules will be chosen by each individual governement."

And who is to regulate this?
What laws will be used?
If someone from country A breaks the law by using his/her weapon against someone from country B, who's local law takes precedent?

Is the UN now prepared to create prisons so that its laws can be enforced?
Or will it simply require that the member nations house their criminals at costs to us?

Who is to regulate this?
Both the UN and the governements of the nations who are a member of the UN.

What laws will be used?
Applied laws are these laws from each individual nation, UN laws and the laws from this proposal.

If someone from country A breaks the law by using his/her weapon against someone from country B, who's local law takes precedent?
The individual will first be judged by the nation he inhabits. Then the individual will be judged by the nation(s) the victim(s) inhabit. At the end, a UN court will make a judgement consisting out of both other judgements."

Is the UN now prepared to create prisons so that its laws can be enforced? Or will it simply require that the member nations house their criminals at costs to us?
The nations and the UN will discuss in which country the criminal individual is to be inprisoned.

I find it admirable that the delegate from Anton has made the effort to mold the proposal in draft form to address the criticism raised. However, I also feel that this is a moot point.

We must reiterate: without sufficient reason to believe that this falls into the domain of international policy, the United Nations has no authority whatsoever to enact legislation.

OOC:
I'm seeing a large number of domestic issue based resolutions. While sometimes this resolutions make it to the UN floor and even pass (Legalization of Prostitution is the best example of something that really shouldn't be an international issue IMHO), look at the UN votes. They are close.

Please trust me when I say that over the past few months that the UN has become less willing to deal with domestic based issues ... so if you think you are going to have a hard fight there are two things you can do:

1) limit your resolutions to "recommendations". Sure you'll have newbies calling you a weenie nerd ... but there are fewer newbies that vote than elder states, and UN Delegates have more votes ... go for votes and don't worry about some newbies calling you names, because they frequently quit the game,

2) consider actually making a daily issue ... if you are making a UN resolution because this is important to you, keep in mind that *all* nations, not just UN nations get up to 2 issues per day. If you go to the "Got Issues" forum, you might be able to write something and 10,000s of nations might see your issue every few months. :)

I think most anything related to "guns" is a domestic issue, and I can say you'll find that most of the nations that have those extra votes will more likely agree. If you are just wanting to discuss firearms, NationStates also have as a general forum for those debates ... but of course if you are really just trying to stir up the UN, don't let my advise stop you.