NationStates Jolt Archive

Many of the proposals on the list are ridiculous. Many are just plain silly and it’s not worth mine and most everyone else’s time to have to read them. I bet allot more delegates would go through it if they didn't have to sift through all the garbage.

Here is my list of worthless proposals:
Second Swing - Stupid, not even relevant
Toy money - Silly, that’s all it is.
Nerf is kewl - Worthless and silly
Child Casino - The idea has value in it, but it is very poorly written.
Dangerous Chemicals - Joke that wastes space.
Lesbian - Stupid and pointless
Senior Citizenship - Isn't worthless but is proposing change to the Nationstates rules which isn't supposed to be part of the UN
Promotion of EVIL - Stupid

Their are also a few repeats.

This doesn't disvalidate any proposal, but I think people need to put more effort into your proposal and take it more seriosly. Check spelling, and even't if you aren't a good speller (I'm not), then copy it into word and use the spell check. Proof read your resolution. Spend some effort to make sure it is written well. Their is a difference between posting in the forum, were spelling/grammer isn't as significiant, and posting a formal resolution. Make sure your resolution actually does something and places some worth while restrictions, not just suggestions.

Disclaimer: I'm not a moderator, I don't have any authority, but this was getting to me.

I suggest that you give out a good respectable resolution.

First, UN resolutions are *supposed* to just be limited to recommendations / suggestions. Don't believe me, visit the UN's web page and look at a few real UN resolutions.

The exception is when the UN gives orders to a UN agency.

Think of it this way ... if the UN told the USA what to do, Bush would ignore the UN. Ditto for the rest of the world. It is one of these things that you can really get more accomplished with a spoon full of sugar.

Second, if you want examples how to write, I say:

(1) visit the real UN and look at a few of the shorter resolutions,
http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/resguide/r58.htm
-or for a single example-
http://ods-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N03/512/10/PDF/N0351210.pdf?OpenElement

(I hope the link works)

(2) vist this site Model UN site:
http://www.rso.cornell.edu/cmunc/reference_howtowriteresolutions.shtml

It has a good example about Antarctica and links to useful UN references.

(3) look at NationStates resolutions that passed by a large majority and that you like, and copy their style

Good Luck!

Their is a difference between posting in the forum, were spelling/grammer isn't as significiant, and posting a formal resolution.

Disclaimer: I'm not a moderator, I don't have any authority, but this was getting to me.


It is worth pointing out that you *are* a UN Delegate and I've noticed that you *do* regularly spend time reading the proposals. In other words, I think your opinion does matter, because you are watching and reading these proposals.

Also, I completely agree: posting in the forum is fine with typos and spelling errors. But if you are going to submit a proposal, spend the 5 minutes to type it in MS Word and do a simple spell check on it.

Why should you do this? Simple, if your resolution passes, it goes into NationStates history forever ... errors and all.

My current resolution does have a single typo that I found ... the third clause is missing a space. I can live with that, but believe me, even something as minor as that stands out. I'm sure there are other errors, but the point Xerxes is making is that if you want people to vote for your proposal, please demostrate that you've spent some time working on it. :)

My current resolution does have a single typo that I found ... the third clause is missing a space. I can live with that, but believe me, even something as minor as that stands out.

At least that typo doesn't affect the entire resolution like the misplaced apostrophy in the UNEC resolution.

Many of the proposals on the list are ridiculous. Many are just plain silly and it’s not worth mine and most everyone else’s time to have to read them. I bet allot more delegates would go through it if they didn't have to sift through all the garbage.


Welcome to the world of International Politicals alot of long winded debates on incredibly stupid and often pointless topics.

and Im trying to think up of the most stupid idea that will actually make it past...
This will take quite some time of pondering.... ;)

Maybe the fluff resolutions are there to help slow down and stop UN interference?

Thought about that?

At least that typo doesn't affect the entire resolution like the misplaced apostrophy in the UNEC resolution.

Hersfold still to this day feels horrible about that. Having communicated via telegrams and off-site with their representative, I have new found respect for him and much tolerance.

At the time though ... yeah, I wondered if it was a scam. But it was just an honest mistake.

BTW: Hersfold has an EXCELLENT resolution to deal with funding for the UNEC. I hope to one day talk their Ambassador into resubmitting the proposal.

Maybe the fluff resolutions are there to help slow down and stop UN interference?

Thought about that?

Not the case. Ask anybody who has exchanged many telegrams with many of the resolution authors and UN delegates alike.

I've found that most anybody who goes to the trouble to actually do something other than complain (such as writing a proposal) actually cares about the topic of their proposal.

The fact is, not everybody thinks in the same way: evidence look at how the styles of the UN resolutions are completely different.

So folks use the debate format. Others use the UN format. Others just do what I call the 10,000 monkeys and 10,000 typewriters format. ;)

Remember, if you don't like the UN you can either actively work to change it or you can leave. And when I say working to change it, lead by example. Don't be the lazy person who sits around with his / her hand stapled to his / her forehead and only cries "Sovereignty! Sovereignty!" This is NationStates ... you'll find that unlike MUN, most people don't give a squat about that word.

Mine was fluff. Plant a tree! was what it was called and it was designed to do as little as possible. Go away for a few days then find out it didn't pass because it needed 24 more votes.

So don't make assumptions.

could it possibly be that there is such a natural diversity
of yardsticks of worthyness that relatively few aggree and
that relatively seldomly?

just possibly?

and why shouldn't there be?

and how objectively could it possibly be expected to be otherwise?

is this such a rocket scientest complex two plus two that it
should be that diffecult to connect the dots that point to
such a reasonable if not all but inevetable probability?

=^^=
.../\...

Mine was fluff. Plant a tree! was what it was called and it was designed to do as little as possible. Go away for a few days then find out it didn't pass because it needed 24 more votes.

So don't make assumptions.

Well my assumptions are based on talking with people ... I still say they are fair.

I would call what you were doing a spoof. You were testing to see just how willing UN Delegates were to save the forests.

It really is a matter of record (look at the old UN resolutions) that saving the forests is the one thing that liberals and conservatives alike will support. I think that has to do with a larger issue of who really plays this game.

Often I've heard environmentalism called "liberalism-lite", because on the surface there aren't that many "hard" concepts behind wanting to plant trees and build forests for bunnies. Sadly though, this same type of mentality leads to the need for environmental social justice, because the support is not well thought out.

There have been some good NS environmental bills ... it is just that few of them have anything to do with trees and forests.

In any event, I'll again encourage you to *not* write a proposal that a beginner or newbie will tend to use as their first resolution (plant a tree), but write something you think would address a global problem.

I'm new to Nation States, and I'm trying to be active in an affirmative way. I'm trying to participate in a way that will make the experience enjoyable for me, and more enjoyable for existing and future States.

I've drafted a proposal that I hope will be seriously considered and I will hopefully be posting it for debate and gathering of support soon. But, after reading many of the existing U.N. forum threads, whether they be about debating actual proposals, or this thread, I find myself getting the impression that a lot of people here who are active in the U.N. resolution proposal department are... anal. And now I fear my hard work and time will be cast aside because any one of several reasons, to name just a few possibilities: I'm new here, no one knows me yet, I'm not a literary giant, my proposal's not "neato", it's not politically correct in the "Real World" to any number of players here, or maybe because it's 12.5 words too long. (more than likely it'll probably just suck to most of you :p )

Some of the people here who are actively debating... debating, and in many of the other U.N. forum threads, sound like most of the people who post at Slashdot. Holier than thou, intellectually superior, or even brash in displaying utter contempt for people who seem to appear intellectually inferior or who's views are in conflict with their own. And I'm not just talking about this thread, but many of the U.N. forum threads.

The fact of the matter is, this is a game. The thousands of people who participate in this game have every right to do so in whatever style they want to using whatever gray matter they have at their disposal. Many, if not most of the players, are not yet fully educated or "worldly". Many seem to you and me to be "immature", probably because they're still "kids". You can't expect every one of the thousands of people playing NationStates to be able to meet individual high standards for style, wording, literacy, content, and especially, maturity. They are having their own brand of fun, and are entitled to do so, as you all know.

If they seriously want their resolution proposals to be accepted and passed, they will work to the best of their ability to that end. Otherwise, what's wrong with them having their own brand of fun? Yes, they should try to be more serious and do their best to at least spell-check their submissions, but even if they don't, the problem will never go away, so why even complain about it?

**please don't round-file my upcoming proposal if i pissed you off or because my views don't agree with yours... ;)