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I'd like to start and publically keep a list of rude and hostile UN Delegates ... namely the ones that get po'ed when they get a telegram and instead of just *adding* your nation to their local ignore list, threaten that if they ever get another telegram they'll cry to the mods.

Thoughts?

I'd like to feel this forum out before we publically post who these nations are.

Myself, when I find there is a nation that is sending me unwelcomed telegrams I just killfilter / ignore them. Fortunately my own list is very small, and I'd like to encourage players to make use of these filters *before* threatening to call the mods in ... there is a reason you have that ability.

Hostile / Rude UN Delegate List

The following are UN Delegates that are not interested in getting telegrams and will reply with a hostile telegram instead of simply adding your nation to their ignore list (they can?t be bothered to do anything for themselves). Your game experience will be much better if you just ignore them. Though I also encourage you to COMPLETELY ignore them. ;)

Key

[1] :: Nations that have threatened to ?tattle on you? (i.e. report you to the moderators if you telegram them). Don?t worry the moderators know they have ignore buttons, but it is best to not upset these kids ? after our moderators are already overworked.

[2] :: Nations that respond with vulgar or rude comments. If you get a telegram that you feel steps beyond roleplaying do not reply to it, save the telegram, add the sender to your ignore list, and contact the game moderators if you feel this is a very serious situation.

[3] :: This nation is actually roleplaying. They will likely declare war on your nation, but bear in mind when they threaten to eat your national animal that they are teasing you. Feel free to ignore them, but they are completely harmless.

Hostile Nations:
Hilterland [1], [2]
Tattle-Tale [1]
Cry Baby [1]
Arrogant Jerk Heads [3]
Banned [2]

NOTE: If you are a UN Delegate and don?t want to get telegrams, you can always give up your delegacy or you can over time just add nations to your ignore list. Remember, it really is difficult for even good proposals to get 100 endorsements, because proposals only stay in the queue for a short length and though you may search the proposal queue carefully everyday, most UN Delegates do not.

I think this is a very, very good idea, Mik!

Well, if the format reads well, we may want to think of a proceedure for removing nations from the list.

Let's just say that if I found I was on the list, even if I deserved to be, I should be able to change my angst driven ways and actually ... oh become diplomatic. Surely I'd want to say, "Hey, I'd like off the list."

I was also thinking that at the bottom we could list nations that contributed (not what though).

The point is, it is getting harder and harder to get UN endorsements. There are some really great UN Delegates out there. But they probably make up a fraction of the UN Delegates hanging around at any time.

Eventually the North Pacific

http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacific/index.php?act=idx

Is going to make a resource of allied UN Delegates who are fiendly to telegrams. This doesn't mean they will endorse proposals, but it means that they have expressed a desire to *review* proposals and reserve the right to endorse them.

This is behavior I encourage!

Furthermore, I invite all UN members visit the North Pacific forum. Guests are welcome.


10kMichael

Hmmm.

On the whole I'd say this is a good idea, though I would think at this time its very dependant on the good will of players and is some what open to possible abuse, ( bad-mouthing delegates, slander, the usual petty business we must at times all deal with ... unfortunately. ) but on the whole I think this is a very inspiried idea, I can only hope it helps us get through some more well written proposals, let alone making a better player environment.

Though I think its important to note, delegates are not 100 % of the problem.

;) ( <- Argh, I think I like the old smilies better, :) )

Oh, and another thing, I've noted when some one informs moderation staff of griefing and such activities its usually frowned upon to release the persons name into the general view of the forum, are you sure Mikitivity this is not too the case here ?

Actually I do think we are riding on a thin line ... but the thing is ... I'm not proposing that we "report" these nations to the moderators. This has nothing to do with them.

And Delegates are not the only problem. Telegrammers can be rude as well.

But I wish more people would realize that there are consequences to their actions.

Anybody who has submitted a UN resolution (not proposal) will agree with me, you get some very nasty telegrams from cowards whom are not comfortable with voicing their opinions in public, but will stop at nothing to rise their egos by bashing people in private.

This whole mind set (excuse me for a moment) reminds me of hate groups. They often hide under hoods and threaten people ... but come daylight run and hide.

Telegrams *are* abused. Not frequently, but I think if Delegates thought twice before sending a nasty "Never contact me again you moron, or I'm gonna tell my teacher on you", that we'll all have a more enjoyable game experience.

Naturally I've not listed my *real* list yet. It is short, but if I don't do it here, I'm certainly going to share my list with my fellow Pacific nations (which means others can see the list as well).

Actually I do think we are riding on a thin line ... but the thing is ... I'm not proposing that we "report" these nations to the moderators. This has nothing to do with them.

Thin line was what I was hinting at, ;)

And I know your not talking about "reporting them", what I mean by my comment was simply that even how the moderators deal in such circumstances is perhaps a sign of that thin line being present. That was all.

And Delegates are not the only problem. Telegrammers can be rude as well.

Agreed. That was my point.

But I wish more people would realize that there are consequences to their actions.

* The Rep of Komokom double checks to ensure your name in on the list of U.N. familiars who all wish the entire player body would click on to this idea of "consequence" ;)

Anybody who has submitted a UN resolution (not proposal) will agree with me, you get some very nasty telegrams from cowards whom are not comfortable with voicing their opinions in public, but will stop at nothing to rise their egos by bashing people in private.

I am aware of that, hell, you only have to try to give a reasoned argument in a U.N. thread and you run the risk of such people crawling from the wood-work. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt ... ;)

This whole mind set (excuse me for a moment) reminds me of hate groups. They often hide under hoods and threaten people ... but come daylight run and hide.

And I would say thats a fair summation of them indeed.

Telegrams *are* abused. Not frequently, but I think if Delegates thought twice before sending a nasty "Never contact me again you moron, or I'm gonna tell my teacher on you", that we'll all have a more enjoyable game experience.

Yeah, see, I suggested to my delegate that when she gets a proposal tele that she does not like to a great extent, or is hounded, and in all circumstances wishes to cut communications, just reply with a single "No, thanks." and ban-list the sucker. :) Its polite, AND effective.

Naturally I've not listed my *real* list yet. It is short, but if I don't do it here, I'm certainly going to share my list with my fellow Pacific nations (which means others can see the list as well).

And one would hope such valuable iformation would not be restricted to the Pacifics bodies alone. :)

I can think of very few regions / nations that would restrict something like a do not call list. These are tools that are designed to help us all and give no political advantage.

So yes, maybe I'll trial this out on the North Pacific forum and then direct interested parties there. It would certainly be our way to say thanks to those who came to help us when we were invaded.

Naturally I'll have to clear with with the North Pacific (true government, not the one that invaded -- the invaders don't even pay attention to the UN anyways).

For what it's worth, I'd be a nice delegate...but my region doesn't seem interested at all in the U.N.

Still, though, it's a shame mean delegates exist...I mean, isn't the point of U.N. delegation to help not hinder nations?

For what it's worth, I'd be a nice delegate...but my region doesn't seem interested at all in the U.N.

You could always move region - there is enough choice out there!

Still, though, it's a shame mean delegates exist...I mean, isn't the point of U.N. delegation to help not hinder nations?

Sadly some nations have a different agenda. There are a few out there that seek to sabotage the UN. Others are determined to maintain their nations soverignty over the UN, even at the expense of their populace.

You could always move region - there is enough choice out there!

True enough. Though it will be hard to leave my group.

True enough. Though it will be hard to leave my group.

As it is ... the problem is caused by a mismatch of timing of proposals and the inability to communicate fast enough.

I can understand wanting to play with a group and actually respect that you are trying to represent their interests.

It is a shame that there aren't icons for UN Delegates that are basically friendly or open to certain types of resolutions / proposals.

It would almost be better if UN Delegates could have "position" statements, where they could pick a few radial buttons or rate categories and then have a barcode or graphic that illustrates what they might be inclined to endorse ...

Then again, if there was more time for endorsements or less need to Telegram rush, authors could spend more time *asking* UN Delegates first.

Anyways, I appreciate your interest in the UN.

As it is ... the problem is caused by a mismatch of timing of proposals and the inability to communicate fast enough.

I can understand wanting to play with a group and actually respect that you are trying to represent their interests.

It is a shame that there aren't icons for UN Delegates that are basically friendly or open to certain types of resolutions / proposals.

It would almost be better if UN Delegates could have "position" statements, where they could pick a few radial buttons or rate categories and then have a barcode or graphic that illustrates what they might be inclined to endorse ...

Then again, if there was more time for endorsements or less need to Telegram rush, authors could spend more time *asking* UN Delegates first.

Anyways, I appreciate your interest in the UN.

I have sent a telegram out asking for endorsements...I mean, not only am I the only active member in the U.N. there, I'm also the region's founder. Then again, the region isn't as interested in NS as a whole as I am (only two of us are actually participants on the boards), so I'm not surprised.

If all else fails, I can create a nation to serve in my region and see if there are any U.N. members looking for a good delegate to lead them and create (or join) another region.

When I was delegate, I found two extremes in TGs. Some people give nice, polite, reasoned arguments for approvals, and I felt quite happy to support those proposals.
Then you get the demands.
"Endorse my proposal NOW!!!!!!!!!!!oneoneeleven" and the like. Large numbers of these can get annoying, but a simple click on the 'ignore' button makes it all better. There's no need to respond to fire with fire.

When I tried submitting proposals, I always attempted to fall into the first category. Even so, I got quite rude responses from some people. Sometimes you just can't win.

Miktivity, author of this thread, has threatened to add me to his list of "hostile UN Delegates" for an argument about in-game mechanics, not politics.

Please, keep this in mind when viewing this list.

Any nation who telegrams me knows I listen, if I disagree, I state so. I only threaten to go to the moderators when a telegrammer is rude, disrespectful, and continually harrasses me as Miktivity is now known to do.

Once again, I ask that you view this list with caution knowing that Miktivity, too, is capable - and is - biased in his views towards UN Delegates that don't agree with him.

Miktivity, author of this thread, has threatened to add me to his list of "hostile UN Delegates" for an argument about in-game mechanics, not politics.

Please, keep this in mind when viewing this list.

Any nation who telegrams me knows I listen, if I disagree, I state so. I only threaten to go to the moderators when a telegrammer is rude, disrespectful, and continually harrasses me as Miktivity is now known to do.

Once again, I ask that you view this list with caution knowing that Miktivity, too, is capable - and is - biased in his views towards UN Delegates that don't agree with him.

My apologies Tuesday Heights, though I did say hostile UN Delegates in the telegram, I was not planning on adding you to any public list, because frankly in the past you've been polite about *endorsing* UN proposals, and that was the purpose of this idea -- which died about a week plus ago.

But you can rest assured that there is no way that I am ever planning on asking *you* to endorse one of my proposals again.

[OOC: As you are no doubt aware, I *have* added you to my "Do Not Accept" telegrams from list, but that has nothing to do with the UN. It has to do with the fact that I found your telegrams rude.

If you don't believe me, look to see which nations are currently on this list. None of them. Care to venture a guess why? Because as was pointed out in this thread, by Komokom and others, it really would be better to *not* publish this list on the NationStates forum for fear of it being perceived as a blackmail tool -- which is exactly what you've done, and for that I'm sorry.

Again, look how many days *old* this thread is: 10 days. While I wouldn't call that ancient history, it isn't the sort of thing most folks dig up.

Whatever personal issues you have with me, I'd ask that you either leave them in the Moderation forum or find some other way to work them out, as I *hope* that in advocating for your resolution and many others, that I've established that I am a "team" player when it comes to the UN forum. Abrasive ... you bet. But I also don't threaten to report people to the mods when I can just as easily killfilter them. They've got enough work to worry about.

And moderators, I'm done replying to this thread. You might want to allow Tuesday Heights one last shot at me in this thread, but I hope that Tuesday Heights will follow my lead and learn to just ignore me, I'm certainly not planning on digging up his old posts and replying to them.]

Fair enough, Mik, I'm stepping away as you clearly have; I apologize for misinterpreting your last telegram to me in which I believed you to be adding me to this list.

I still, do, support this list regardless of what the others here and such have said against this idea.

Tiny side not, Mik, I'm a "she." ;)

Given this unfortunate misunderstanding, I am now of the official opinion that any such list should be under direct Moderator control.

I will also consider renaming it the "Do Not Call" list, as that would be a less charged (and more accurate) description than "Hostile Delegate".

As a matter of fact, if I could talk [violet], Max, and Salusa into adding another item to the Admin To-Do list (namely, a regional "Tell people to not telegram the Delegate" checkbox), I think we can forego the forum list altogether (but that's wishful thinking on my part).

This is not a final decision; we mods will make a final decision on this later. In the meantime, though, iLock.

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