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As many nations have heard, There is a region called Gatesville that is "out to remove the UN". I have infiltrated their forum (http://www.bbfree.com/antiUN/) with several spies. one has gotten into the high council. I encourage every nation that supports the UN to make a puppet nation and place it in Gatesville and join their forum. I will be posting info from their forum very shortly, but I don't
want to crash this forum so i will be doing it slowly. My region is The Anti Gatesville Stronghold. If they attack, I am also asking for support in an RP battle, if needed.

We were once invited to join Gatesville. The Emperor laughed and kindly declined... the fight against global unity is a foolish one at best. Especially for humans; their tendency to fight amongst themselves makes a union such as the UN all the more important.

What is their plan for removal of the UN? How can this be accomplished?


You have my support … account will be created :)

Ok! Here is the topic from their forum titled:
Coup D'état
How we plan to overthrown the UN:

By:Mikorya D Rikard:

"To the curious nations of Gatesville from the Delegate, Mikorya Daelimae Rikard, and the Founder, Gates the God:

Recently we've been hearing many national voices on the public board asking what our plans for world domination were, when we were to cut the liberal UN off from their own knees to pave the way to the dark UN we all want, and how we were going to do everything else that we have promised. Since such information is sensitive, the region board is public, and prying eyes from within or without our region could use the information to bring us to our doom, I will not go into details there. Even now, the High Council is formulating long-term plans for the eventual ruin of the current UN and the structure of it's replacement, but the easiest way for you to stay in the loop is to check this topic regularly. I will update and reply to this as the choices are made.

Our basic, very basic plan is this: (1) Grow in size until we are a match for even the largest of regions, (2) gain a 2/3 ratio of our nations within the UN and endorsing their delegate so we have a strong standing in the UN votings, (3) create strong alliances with like-minded regions, and (4) gain complete control of the UN right under the noses of the liberals.

Now, this is not something that will or can happen in a short time. For the first two stages of this plan we must carefully protect ourselves from all possible threats. You may be thinking, "Why can't we just do this as quickly and violently as possible. Then it'll be done and we can bathe in our glory as the rulers of the free world." I'm sure many anti UN forums have felt this way and followed it to their deaths under the heels of the enormous liberal regions. We are going to set this right. We will be patient, we will bide our time, we will spy and gather information and prepare ourselves until victory is won without a single punch being thrown yet. Then we can pick off the liberal regions individually, as they start to fuss about our position, and everyone gets their bloodbath. Politically, emotionally, mentally, and physically. We will win. We just have to be patient and wait for the proper opportunities to reveal themselves.

Thank you for reading this far. This message will not be repeated.

((PS ... you are allowed to reply to this topic, but please keep it to questions and comments concerning this and nothing else. Don't be alarmed if your post disappears one day. Once I've answered a question, or made an adjustment for someone's comment, I will delete the replies. This will keep the topic tidy. Thank you.))"

That is the first post of it. Posting everything in it would take a long time. That is why I ask everyone to make spies and see for yourselves.

If this is from a private forum as you say, it is likely password protected. As Ghargonia for one has no citizens outside of our energy barrier, including intelligence operatives, we have no way of confirming what you are saying. Thus, proof is required. A (screen)shot of the document would be a good place to start.

I'll get right on it... I'll add edit with the pic shortly.

Ok! Here is the topic from their forum titled:
Coup D'état
How we plan to overthrown the UN:

By:Mikorya D Rikard:

"To the curious nations of Gatesville from the Delegate, Mikorya Daelimae Rikard, and the Founder, Gates the God:

Recently we've been hearing many national voices on the public board asking what our plans for world domination were, when we were to cut the liberal UN off from their own knees to pave the way to the dark UN we all want, and how we were going to do everything else that we have promised. Since such information is sensitive, the region board is public, and prying eyes from within or without our region could use the information to bring us to our doom, I will not go into details there. Even now, the High Council is formulating long-term plans for the eventual ruin of the current UN and the structure of it's replacement, but the easiest way for you to stay in the loop is to check this topic regularly. I will update and reply to this as the choices are made.

Our basic, very basic plan is this: (1) Grow in size until we are a match for even the largest of regions, (2) gain a 2/3 ratio of our nations within the UN and endorsing their delegate so we have a strong standing in the UN votings, (3) create strong alliances with like-minded regions, and (4) gain complete control of the UN right under the noses of the liberals.

Now, this is not something that will or can happen in a short time. For the first two stages of this plan we must carefully protect ourselves from all possible threats. You may be thinking, "Why can't we just do this as quickly and violently as possible. Then it'll be done and we can bathe in our glory as the rulers of the free world." I'm sure many anti UN forums have felt this way and followed it to their deaths under the heels of the enormous liberal regions. We are going to set this right. We will be patient, we will bide our time, we will spy and gather information and prepare ourselves until victory is won without a single punch being thrown yet. Then we can pick off the liberal regions individually, as they start to fuss about our position, and everyone gets their bloodbath. Politically, emotionally, mentally, and physically. We will win. We just have to be patient and wait for the proper opportunities to reveal themselves.


oh yes that is going to work...

Well. Thats at least a goal in this game. :D

If not, what are you trying to achieve?

http://www.freewebs.com/webbeyond/GDocument.jpg (http://www.freewebs.com/webbeyond/GDocument.jpg)
Here you go, it couldn't all fit, sorry.

The link doesn't work, so just copy/paste.

I am a member of Gatesville and this is a feeble attempt to slander our region. I don’t even remember seeing this post. Gatesville is a peaceful region we are not expansionists. The nations of Gatesville are against the U.N. resolutions that infringe on a nations sovereignty.

If that's true, then you shouldn't mind if nations join with puppets to see for themselves, right?

I think it would be rather funny to see them try...

I surprised that Gatesville's high council hasn't responded yet. I wonder where they are.

Thank you for the confirmation. It pains me to say this to an outsider, but congratulate your intelligence network for job well done.

I see your a sick man. The UN is a world government and i fully support it. You should be a shamed of yourself!!!

I see your a sick man. The UN is a world government and i fully support it. You should be a shamed of yourself!!!

The UN is NOT a world government. It has no organization and no clear leaders, aside from a few bitterly contested Delegacies with a few hundred endorsements each. it has ceased to be a functional RP element and has become a tool for all sorts of people who want power. This tool, of course, can be used for good as well as evil, but nevertheless the huge numbers of people who are ignorant of what the UN really is are a danger to the game and each other.

Wow, I guess Sonic was right all along..

DEATH TO GATESVILLE!!!

Sorry if I don't get it, I'm quite new to the forums.

I understood from the Gameplay sticky that this was about how the game works within the mechanics set up by the game itself. Like, how your issues affect your nation, stuff about delegacy, all that.

This whole thread seems to be a lot of waffle, nothing is going to happen as a result that actually affects your nation or region. So surely it's role-playing? In which case, it's in the wrong forum.

Nations, allow me to reply. I am The Cynic of Fascist Consumers, a member of the High Council of Gatesville. Although I do not feign to speak for the entirety of Gatesville or the council, I'm sure that I can help clear things up quite a bit.

Well, first of all, the idea of "Gatesville Exposed!!!!!!" isn't really accurate. The forum post copy/pasted here is part of our public forum, which you can all join if you want to learn more about Gatesville at(http://www.bbfree.com/antiUN), although they appear to be down at the moment. So, copy/pasting readily available information from our readily available forums isn't exactly a miracle of stealthy intelligence. We have long made our goals and ideas known to any interested players, and you can see our constitution on our also-public website (http://www.geocities.com/aystha).

The claims that there is a spy in the High Council are completely unproven, despite our many attempts to provide the opportunity to prove the claims of these nations, while assuring their anonymity and security. Without providing a shred of evidence, these claims are not being taken seriously.

Gatesville is a region with an active founder, council and populace, whose only goal is slow and steady expansion, while accruing votes in oreder to gain influence and drive the UN into a more sovereignty-friendly position. We are not an invader region despite our size, and we only seek to grow and gain affluence.

We fail to see what is to be gained by this thread or the establishment of the "Anti Gatesville Stronghold" region, although we will not interfere with either. We are a region too large to be invaded, so unless you aim to gain some obscure RP victory against the largest player-made region in the game, your efforts are largely in vain.

Anyway, I welcome you to learn more about Gatesville. No amount of spies or rhetoric will interfere with our practical and noble goals, and maybe you will have you mind changed.

-- The Cynic
Enlisting Advocate of Gatesville

You guys were a bit slow to the punch. You say you are peaceful, but how about this:


(Just to say this is in the middle of the topic and is a question asked by a member there. I will also post the response.)
Topic: Coup D'état , How we plan to overthrown the UN:

"Armed Republic of Christianity:

Posted: May 4 2004, 07:28 AM
Would taking a delegate from a pacific be a good thing to do? If we control one of the pacifics we can shape many of the new nations to our image? Just a thought...."

(Now that is an innocent question, if they were told no, however, it is a "not yet")

"Mikorya D Rikard:

Posted: May 4 2004, 12:39 PM
It would be difficult to take delegation of a huge region such as a pacific. Also, it would be considered region crashing, I believe. I don't think we're ready to take an offensive position, being as that would denote an act of war to some of the other regions (especially the one we took over).

That will be a tactic used a little later in our plans. Good thinking, though."


As you can see they may be 'peaceful' now, however, they are going to start region crashing eventually as soon as they deem it is time to go offensive. (If you really want screen shot proof again, I can get it, but only if you really need me too.)Oh yeah, I'm sorry I posted this in the wrong place to begin with. I wasn't sure where to put it, and I guessed wrong.

I have big news. I stumbled upon a region called High Council Tribunal. I think this is place for spies of Gatesville to meet. It may have nothing to do with Gatesville, but I'm pretty sure it does.

We are not invaders or warmongers; we are a group of peaceful nations that are united against the liberal U.Ns infringement on a nation’s sovereignty. Does the U.N. have the right to dictate to you on how your nation should be run I ask? 40 work week, abortion etc. these are not issues for the U.N. to decide. Come and join us in Gatesville today if you agree that this bureaucracy has gone out of control.

We are not invaders or warmongers; we are a group of peaceful nations that are united against the liberal U.Ns infringement on a nation’s sovereignty.
Your right. You aren't invaders or warmongers, yet. But take a look at your own forum. I told you where to look, so do that. Or if you trust that I'm telling the truth, just look at what is copy/pasted above. Also, you continue to say this is "slander". However things that are true are not slander.

Greetings and salutations, honorable members of NS who are against us.

When I first received word that the forum had been re-created and a thread against Gatesville was created there, I was worried. We have been receiving word on many occassions lately of possible spies within the region and within the High Council itself, and to tell you the truth, it was beginning to shake us.

However, after reading what had been posted here, I and my region can once again rest in confidence. If you would look closely, please, at the actual post copied and pasted to this thread, you would see immediately that it was created January 27th, 2004. Due to my own forgetfulness, the thread hadn't been moved to the archives and was being used as a jump point for other discussions later in the year, which kept it from being recycled automatically.

In all truth and honesty, that was indeed how Gatesville's viewpoints began. But, as usually happens, we have since evolved and grown into a more mature regional position. I do not deny writing it, of course, but I do deny that it shows the true goals and ideals of today's Gatesville. Six months is a long time, and it brings a tear to my eye to remember the naivety that once ruled this glorious region. It also makes me laugh. We were young and ambitious back then, and rightfully so. We had the world in front of us, and enough adrennaline between the thirteen of us to power a small city.

I concede that we were naive. I concede that we were ambitious. I concede that we had long-term plans that in spirit still live on today. But every day is a new day, and we have matured to the point of realizing our limitations and realizing that ever sinking to the level of region-crashers would only hurt us and our mission in life.

Therefore, fear not Gatesville. Though at one time the path of the aggressor was open to us, we have since chosen a different path to follow. We have set a realistic and legal goal that shows just how unique our region is. Today, our goals are much simpler. As already stated by another HC member, we now fight the liberal U.N. for the national sovreignty of every nation within this realm of NS. If you wish, you can check the Gatesville region board for proof of that goal. I posted earlier today, answering another nation's question, with a statement that might put your cares at rest.

Thank you very much for your time.

~*Mikorya Daelimae Rikard*~
Regional Delegate of Gatesville
Spokeswoman for the High Council
Diplomat of Rose-Colored Glasses

Greetings and salutations, honorable members of NS who are against us.

When I first received word that the forum had been re-created and a thread against Gatesville was created there, I was worried. We have been receiving word on many occassions lately of possible spies within the region and within the High Council itself, and to tell you the truth, it was beginning to shake us.

However, after reading what had been posted here, I and my region can once again rest in confidence. If you would look closely, please, at the actual post copied and pasted to this thread, you would see immediately that it was created January 27th, 2004. Due to my own forgetfulness, the thread hadn't been moved to the archives and was being used as a jump point for other discussions later in the year, which kept it from being recycled automatically.

In all truth and honesty, that was indeed how Gatesville's viewpoints began. But, as usually happens, we have since evolved and grown into a more mature regional position. I do not deny writing it, of course, but I do deny that it shows the true goals and ideals of today's Gatesville. Six months is a long time, and it brings a tear to my eye to remember the naivety that once ruled this glorious region. It also makes me laugh. We were young and ambitious back then, and rightfully so. We had the world in front of us, and enough adrennaline between the thirteen of us to power a small city.

I concede that we were naive. I concede that we were ambitious. I concede that we had long-term plans that in spirit still live on today. But every day is a new day, and we have matured to the point of realizing our limitations and realizing that ever sinking to the level of region-crashers would only hurt us and our mission in life.

Therefore, fear not Gatesville. Though at one time the path of the aggressor was open to us, we have since chosen a different path to follow. We have set a realistic and legal goal that shows just how unique our region is. Today, our goals are much simpler. As already stated by another HC member, we now fight the liberal U.N. for the national sovreignty of every nation within this realm of NS. If you wish, you can check the Gatesville region board for proof of that goal. I posted earlier today, answering another nation's question, with a statement that might put your cares at rest.

Thank you very much for your time.

~*Mikorya Daelimae Rikard*~
Regional Delegate of Gatesville
Spokeswoman for the High Council
Diplomat of Rose-Colored Glasses

Well stated great delegate of Gatesville. Nations are you tired of the liberal hijacked U.N. forcing its agenda down your throats? Come and join us in the region of Gatesville, we have exposed their plot to establish a one world order by infringing on your nations sovereignty. Join the largest player created region in the game and all are welcome. You will have an active voice in our government because nations vote on major issues.

Another fellow Gatesvillain (yes, I spelled it that way intentionally) here. I'm just shocked that we are held in such high regard that people feel the need to send spies into our region. I guess that means were doing something right to piss you guys off. Was it because we voted against the abolition of the death penalty? Or merely the fact that we are the largest non-feeder region out there?

Well, nice to know that Gatesville is indeed having some impact to the game.

We are a puppet of a stronger nation. This nation sent in anopther puppet to Gatesville. While this puppet didn't get on to the inside, she was able to observe the habitat in which these "people" thrive. There is a base of fear, and extremitism. They believe that the UN is too liberal and that it isn't doing it's job. It's a dark force that must be stopped. All people in the UN who go to their region are coerced into supporting the delegate, whose endorsements put that of Franco to shame.

They have made it their goal to get more members than every other region. Their founder isn't in the UN and their delegate is eccentric. If you leave the region, they will tail you unless you have a satisfactory reason.

It's really strange. They vote AGAINST all the resolutions and they attempt to get others to as well. They are an infection that should be stopped.

Just watch a conversation... It's really scary! They all think the same way!

A personal response to Farflorin:

There is no base of fear in Gatesville, merely a sense of unity and strength. As for extremism, is it an extreme to wish that a nation can participate in international affairs without losing its sovereignty to an uncontrollable entity of moral imperialism?

Our Founder is not in the UN because he has a large puppet nation already joined. Our Delegate is nowhere near eccentric, and is in fact often the voice which stops us from overreaching into extremes. We do not "tail" nations who seek to leave: That would be contrary to our mission of national sovereignty and freedom.

We do not vote against all resolutions, for example we supported the resolution which banned FGM, as we will not sacrifice sanity for the sake of consistency. And while we do, obviously, seek the support of other nations and regions through votes, every nation in Gatesville is free to cast their votes (and endorsements) according to their own beliefs. That is clearly stated in our Constitution.

We all think similarly because we are a large bloc of forward-thinking and like-minded nations, forged by the goal and dream of national sovereignty.

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As for the accusation of militarism and invasion: While the idea has been brought up in the past (as could be expected of a region our size who is driven by votes), we have abandoned that idea, as you would know if you were in the High Council. Which, of course, is still unproven (and unfounded). We are a region based on word-of-mouth reputation and comradery.

I encourage all nations who are interested to become a Gatesville nation, and be a part of a region which will actually accomplish our goal of changing the face of NationStates.

Farflorin, though I respect your opinions towards me, I fail to see when I have ever shown myself to be eccentric. I may pass for eccentric when I'm playing around, but most often others can easily tell when I'm fooling around and when I'm being serious.

An simple distinction in writing styles is how I show my different sides. When I use "..." and "^_^" instead of periods and proper punctuation, I am probably fooling around. When I use proper punctuation and sentence structures, I am being serious. Often times I am being serious, but at certain points even such an influential persona as myself deserves a little time to play around and crack jokes. It's only natural.

Please, take what Fascist Consumers has said about me to heart. If you ask around the older nations within Gatesville, I guarantee they would agree. It is because of me that many times we of Gatesville have chosen alterior paths instead of causing problems for ourselves and others. In fact, I'm sure if I held a poll within Gatesville about my demeanor, many would agree that I am one of the least violent and most orderly and disciplined of many who reside in Gatesville.

Also, most conversations held in Gatesville go fifty/fifty or sixty/fourty on most issues. There are many conservative nations within Gatesville, yes. There are many eccentric nations as well. More often than not, we don't meet eye to eye on issues and beliefs, but because we are Democratically driven, we come to an tentative understanding with one another.

Lately, though, we have been lucky to find we more often than not agree on what has to be done. And even then, we have different ideas on how it should be done. On the surface, we may seem to all have the same ideas, but the truth is that we all differ from one another in one way or another, and after we make our ideas known, we come to an understanding and vote accordingly.

Isn't that how all regions work or should work? Realizing our differences and voicing our opinions without insulting others? I think it should.

~*Mikorya Daelimae Rikard*~
Regional Delegate of Gatesville
Spokeswoman for the High Council
Diplomat of Rose-Colored Glasses

As it has been stated numerous times before, Gatesville abandoned long ago the foolish dreams of imperialism. This "expose" has proven one thing, though: that our region now holds serious sway in the world community. These attacks on Gatesville are based on the fact that some people cannot stand to see a well-organized region that opposes the UN.

Well said, Molgranism. And what Rose-Colored Glasses says is true. The Nation of Mortemis has never attacked or invaded another nation. But I understand enough to know that the UN only wishes to infringe on a nation's sovereignty. I hope the statements made by our delegate and some of Gatesvilles's nations have convinced all of you of that.

End of discussion. Good day.

So, tell me, does sending operatives into regions that are against you, and then trashing their forums your form of non-aggresivness? Sure put them in then don't cause trouble, but then you go about ripping apart the forums in the matter of yelling: "Hail Gates the God!" I think that is borderline attacking. As for soverinty, DON'T JOIN THE UN TO BEGIN WITH! I know your going to say that they try to get non-UN nations too. My answer to that is it won't affect you because Max Barry will NOT change the game in that way. Just look at the FAQ's.

Here we go again with the if you don’t like the U.N. get out of it statement. That reply is wearing pretty thin in these forums and is used often here when someone criticizes the current course of the U.N. Leave the U.N. and let it go about its merry way until all the nations in it are all the same socialist communists state . The only way to fight the U.N. is through membership in it, we are fighting for all the nations in Nation States that feel the U.N. is stepping over the line through passage of resolutions that infringe on their rights to govern themselves. Nations join us today, become a member of the region Gatesville and fight for your right to run your great nations the way you choose.

Eli left the UN long ago because of the hateful socialist rhetoric of the underacheivers that only desire to lay on their dead asses and live off the productivity of others.

Personally I feel that the conservative UN-protesters all shoot the same conservative drivel. I am very pro-UN, and the only reason that my main nation isn't UN right now is because I'm using my UN nation elsewhere, but I can't wait until Defaultia can get back in the UN.

I did vote against the Abortion one because it was too vague, and I vote against vague proposals, but the 40 hour work week was not vague, and I was glad that it passed.

I also voted against the ban on the Death Penalty, as I am pro-Death Penalty, but that's another issue altogether.

At any rate, the reason that the UN is so liberal is because most of the nations which play this game and join the UN are liberal. Personally, I'm glad that they're so liberal. Besides, it's rather easy to answer issues in a way which can make up for the liberal UN issues and more.

-Defaultia
Equilism Immigration Minister

I am in a unique position here. I am head of the ALSN region, a region which allows for UN members to exist peacefully with the others, but they are not to bring any UN business to the region and if they do, they are banned. I only changed that rule from the old one which forbade UN members from joining because I wanted to see regional growth.

Anyway, my point is, many of my allies are in this region because they don't believe in the UN and only 4 are part of it because they chose to be. The others refrained from doing so, myself included because we were fed up with the UN policies and decided that it was in our best interests to leave because fighting it would prove to be pointless.

Now, this is where Gatesville comes in. We have a slight alliance with them, and only because we believe that the UN, which is a sprawling useless bureautic morass which accomplishes nothing, should not exist. However, we do not agree with their methods. It strikes us as being ludicrous. We once had a representative in that region; Dor Cirion, but recalled them when it became obvious that it was safer for us to just keep a neutral alliance.

We of ALSN pride ourselves as being neutral in the whole situation, even if we have a neutral alliance. Our neutral alliance means that we don't attack and we just assist if there is a war. Now for everyone else, this also applies because we believe both sides are right and wrong.

Both sides are right because they are allowed to have their own beliefs.
However, Gatesville is wrong in its methology and some of the others are wrong because you're telling them what to believe.

Here we go again with the if you don’t like the U.N. get out of it statement. That reply is wearing pretty thin in these forums and is used often here when someone criticizes the current course of the U.N. Leave the U.N. and let it go about its merry way until all the nations in it are all the same socialist communists state . The only way to fight the U.N. is through membership in it, we are fighting for all the nations in Nation States that feel the U.N. is stepping over the line through passage of resolutions that infringe on their rights to govern themselves. Nations join us today, become a member of the region Gatesville and fight for your right to run your great nations the way you choose.
Alright, so my argument is a bit old. How about this one: You all say you want to run your nations however you choose, right? Well, then why is your plan to take over the UN and forcing everyone else into your view of things? Isn't that what your fighting? Or does it just apply to what you see as restricting rights? Furthermore, although I have no proof of this, I think Gates is trying to make a power grab, disguised as an anti-UN campain. Of course you guys all got sucked in if I'm right. I personally think the UN should not be trying to control everything, but, you haven't shown that your not going to do the same thing, on your forum, or anywhere. In fact, I can sum up all of your agruements that you have said here in three sentences: We are peaceful. Join Gatesville. Down with the UN. Only one of those things are acually an argument. The part about being peaceful. Which by the way, no one has said your not, curently. all you guys do are dodge my arguments with your "Join Gatesville" BS.

How is it wrong to fight the U.N. through votes I ask? Is this not the way the game mechanics are set up? The point is the U.N. has been hijacked by the far left leaning liberals and they are using it to input their ideology into all member nations. They should be keeping out of an individual nations business and pass resolutions that deal with worldly matters. You are twisting the facts we have been around for eight months name one region we invaded. And you say we are after a power grab get your info straight before you start making accusations.

I believe Mystic Ruins said Gates. Not Gatesville who is after the power grab.

Yes, some of our methods are odd. Yes, we may sound like hypocrits because we seem to hate the U.N. but still join it. But as far as I know, we aren't breaking any rules.

And no, we do not want to take over the U.N. just to force others into our beliefs, but rather to balance out the powers that be. It would make debates on issues better heated, as well as insuring that only resolutions that deserve to be passed will be passed. You have to agree that there are some silly, underwritten proposals waiting to make the board.

And Mystic Ruins, the nations within Gatesville that go off to spam other regions boards and offsite forums are always reprimanded for doing so. Our recruiting policies are based on a strict "telegram the nations who look like they would be interested" rule. If there is any spamming on offsite forums, it is supposed to be only to approach a region in hopes of an alliance because they hold the same or similar values as we do. That isn't spamming.

However, since you mentioned it was something you've seen, I will investigate and rightfully restrain the nation or nations that are doing it. I admit we have very enthusiastic nations within our borders, and sometimes it's hard to control them or know what they are up to at all times. But we try our best, and in most cases we can resolve conflicts of this nature without any loss of good will.

If you could TG me, Mystic Ruins (and anyone else who knows of an offsite forum board being spammed by Gatesville nations), and tell me where this is happening and by what nation, I will see that it is stopped.

Thank you all for your time and attention.

~*Mikorya Daelimae Rikard*~
Regional Delegate of Gatesville
Spokeswoman for the High Council
Diplomat of Rose-Colored Glasses

((P.S. Gatesville nations writing invites on this thread for nations to join Gatesville are not spamming, for clarification. This thread was made about Gatesville, and therefore anyone reading it should be able to see both sides of the story.))

Our methods are perfectly sound. We accrue votes through word-of-mouth and personal Telegrams. You can't expect every nation to conform to these rules: We are a region 800+ strong, and the High Council cannot keep tabs on every nation's actions, although I'm sure efforts are being made.

As for our supposed "power grab" to "restrict rights", that's simply unfounded slander. A region such as ours, founded on the principles of national sovereignty and abhorred by the UN's ever-increasing stranglehold on the rights of nations, will certainly not seek to commit these same crimes once in power.

We seek liberty, not tyranny.

Let me straighten a few things out. First of all I'm not accusing anyone of spaming on this board. Second, I know what your cause is, and I agree with it. But, I have seen a side of Gates that all of you probably have not. And I know in my heart that if you gain control of the UN, Gates will abuse that power. I'm sure that Rose-Colored Glasses has seen what I speak of, although she likely won't admit it. If I read your constitution correctly, Gates has the most power of all, above anyone. That is not a good thing. And many of the nations in Gatesville are good, truely, there are just as many that just want to attack and destroy any pro-UN region. That's a fact. If they ever gained the upper hand in politics in your region, it would be the end of your heroic crusade. The scary part is I have seen more and more of those nations in the past few months, and less sane nations to balance it out. And just to correct Fascist Consumers, your nation was founded to do just what the original post that you've moved to the archives said: (I paraphrase) 'To cut the liberal UN off at the knees.' That might have changed, but not that I've seen. If it has, you haven't told anybody. i'm sorry that this is a bit longwinded, and I hope this might shed some light.

My spy in gatesville, discovered this.

Check out our forum at http://www.bbfree.com/antiUN/ and our website at www.geocities.com/aystha there is plenty of information about our region. This great region is run by the nations of Gatesville I’m just the humble founder, we are nations uniting against the nefarious plot of the liberal U.N. to establish a one world order through passage of resolutions that infringe on a nations right to govern themselves. If we allow them to continue on their current path some liberal hippie U.N. corrupted crony will be telling your people how to walk, talk and think.
It's from their leader.

Yes, Gates, right?