NationStates Jolt Archive

Type: Human Rights
Effect: Significant
Noting with regret that due to the recently-passed abortion resolution many women may take extreme and hazardous methods to exercise such a right, and that unscrupulous and under-trained "doctors" may place in danger the life of a mother desiring an abortion, the General Assembly hereby allows each nation to specify at which hopitals and/or clinics a woman may legally have an abortion.

that's amusing.

but I like the idea, and you have my vote if it comes u to cue.

^bump^

Nope. It can be read as violating the past Abortion Resolution.

* Please, don't throw stuff, I get your concern, I'm just explaining the legality here, is all.

General Assembly hereby allows each nation to specify at which hopitals and/or clinics a woman may legally have an abortion.

* Could be called as a contradiction of the clause :

Henceforth all women shall have the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not, no member nation will interfere with a woman's right to have an abortion.

Your proposal at this time is too simple, if its going to have a hope in heck, you'll have to extend it to define limitations as to how a nation could specify, as at this time the plain wording in your proposal gives a loop-hole for governments specifying no hosptials, clinics, or other operations may carry out abortions.

Just so you know. Oh, and a woman may already can "legally" have an abortion, further laws explainnig this "legality" could be considered limitations or the government being to "nterfere". Another possible contradiction come to think of it.

Hope that helps,

- T.R. Kom
Le Représentant de Komokom.
Ministre Régional de Substance.
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I'm not sure exactly what your stance on abortion is, but I personally am for choice. I don't like the idea of using abortion as a form of birth control, but there are certain conditions where in a mother will die if she births a child. Certain health problems can compromise both the life of the mother and the child and should be taken into consideration. You might want to specify what conditions would constitute a legal abortion. That might make your proposal a bit more clear.

* Could be called as a contradiction of the clause :

Henceforth all women shall have the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not, no member nation will interfere with a woman's right to have an abortion.

And that's neccessarily a bad thing? ;)

Abortion Regulational Rights Of U.N. Members.

Category:<pending> Strength:<pending> Submitted by:<pending>

Recognizing the broad scope of the existing resolution, "Abortion Rights", The United Nations hereby resolves to define the following provisions as not being interference:

I. Nations shall have the right to prohibit abortions after the <time up to debate, sometime in 3rd tri-mester?> week of pregnancy.
A) This article shall not be used to construe the right to restrict abortions for medical reasons where either the life of the mother or child is in question.
B) Consent under this article may, in addition to the woman, include:
1) For minors: The legal guardian(s).
2) Marriages: the person's legal spouse.
C) In situations where the woman is unable to provide consent, it shall be obtained:
1) The woman's legal spouse.
2) The woman's closest living relative.
3) After Article's I-C-1,2 are exhausted the presiding physician.


II. Nations shall have the right to the proper licensing and regulation of institutions who provide abortion services within their nation's borders.

A) Any practice of abortion outside of the properly regulated and licensed institutions aforementioned shall be punishable by any applicable law(s) within said nations.
B) Both the provider and client may be held accountable under Article II-A.
C) No private medical institution shall be required by any law(s) to provide abortion services.
1) If aforementioned institution refuses treatment they must provide references to applicable institutions that will provide said service.

III. Nations shall have the right, in the case of:

A) Minors: To require the consent and approval of the minor's guardian(s).
B) Marriages: To require consent from the client's spouse.
C) In the case of conception, where it is legally found to be the result of rape or incest, wherein the perpetrator is of the party defined in Article III-A or B, their consent shall not be required.

IV. Nations shall have the right to require whatever form of counseling deemed necessary before the client(s) make their decision.

A) This counseling may include all applicable parties including the woman's legal spouse and in the case of minors, their legal guardian(s).
B) Article IV-A shall never allow the inclusion of aforementioned parties, wherein they are the perpetrator(s), in the case of rape and/or incest.

V. Any nation exercising rights within Articles III and IV, wherein the other required party does not consent, shall make the raising and support of the child legally binding upon the said non-consenting party.

A) Any failure by the non-consenting party to live up to their legal obligations under this article shall be punishable under any applicable law(s) of said nation.
B) If, under Article III-A,B and/or IV-A, additional consent is required, and the other required party refuses, they shall be automatically considered consenting.
C) If, in the case of the client using any deceiving means to prevent the applicable additional party under Article III-A,B and/or IV-A from providing their consent, the said client shall be held accountable in the violation of any applicable law(s) of said nations.
D) For the purpose of enforcement under this article, institutions must provide to the proper law-enforcement officials:
1) Certified contact information of the parties. Including:
a) Certified copies of letters.
b) Certificates of receipt.
c) Telephone recordings.
2) Either the original, or certified copies any applicable consent forms.
E) Women shall have the right to request the paternal father of the fetus, and/or his spouse be notified of the abortion.
1) For this provision to be operated, paternity tests must be conducted to determine the paternal father.

VI. Definition of terms:
A) The term minor is defined under the applicable law(s) of each nation.
B) Refusal shall mean, any blatant refusal, where a party, in legally proven knowledge of their duties, intentionally does not perform them.
C) Prevent shall mean, any legally proven action to deceive another from knowing or carrying out a task or duty.
D) Consent is defined as, any physical document, providing the rights of another party to perform an action, bearing the signature of the person who is allowing those actions.
E) Parties are defined as any person, group, or government, who are a signer of the contract or release.

VII. Any other regulation on abortion outside the scope of this Resolution shall be considered interference, and stand in violation of the "Abortion Rights" Resolution.

This is one I had been working earlier on just during/after the ABR passed.

Hak-Generale would support Tekania's amendment, but the powers it suggests are too broad and will not apply to many member nations. We suggest a resolution that is somewhat simplified and gives nations some leeway in terms of establishing laws without writing them for the entire body.


The Leaders of Hak-Generale

Hak-Generale would support Tekania's amendment, but the powers it suggests are too broad and will not apply to many member nations. We suggest a resolution that is somewhat simplified and gives nations some leeway in terms of establishing laws without writing them for the entire body.


The Leaders of Hak-Generale

Application is moot, Article points define scope "Member nations shall have the right..." ie, this one defines the "extream limits" to which regulation may be applied at the national level, without it overstepping the bounds of "interference". That does not mean ever nation must exercize those rights.

And V. is the only one mandated, however only mandated upon those, in course, exercizing rights in Articles III or IV.

Because I am probably " up " right now on pain killers and assorted medications related to fobbing off this bug I've got,

:wink:

Type: Human Rights
Effect: Significant
Noting with regret that due to the recently-passed abortion resolution many women may take extreme and hazardous methods to exercise such a right,

* We put the jump-cord around her arms, then we push her off the ...

* Okay, you get the plunger while I ...

* Light the fire, and we'll smoke it out ...

and that unscrupulous and under-trained "doctors" may place in danger the life of a mother desiring an abortion,

* Image of Steve Erwin with a crocodile ...

* Image of construction worker with a jack-hammer ...

* Fire-man with Jaws of Life equipment ...

the General Assembly hereby allows each nation to specify at which hopitals and/or clinics a woman may legally have an abortion.

And, as with every other proposal, repeal, or stick on the end idea I've seen, in the words of Queens Bohemian Rhapsody,

NO ! NO ! NO ! NO ! NO ! NO !

:wink:

Because you can't do that, its contrary to the rules. At this time ... :)

- T.R. Kom
Le Représentant de Komokom.
Ministre Régional de Substance.
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/komokom.jpg (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=komokom)
Just A Know It All.
" Clowns To The Left of Me ... Jokers To The Right, Here I am ... "
" Don't you have a life ? " ( pause ) " Silly question I suppose ... "

Although who knows what wonders come with Jolt (in about 8 minutes)....