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LSD, also called by its street name 'acid' is a highly dangerous hallucinogen drug that causes users to become seriously disturbed. often, users have hallucinations-they see or hear things that do not exist, and in most cases, the user dies.

That is why the traficing of this drug must be stoped, the United Nations must Ban the makeing of and traficingf of LSD Now!

-Yu Hin Kan, Minister of Law inforcemet, Hataria

LSD is not as dangerous as you make it out to be. Death usually results from overdose or from dangerous impurities. We have overcome the dangers in drug use by completely legalising and regulating them. Our LSD, in fact, all our chemical drugs, are manufactured by factories and their product is subject to the same checks and inspections that are given to medicines. Similar taxes and restrictions apply to both tobacco and marijuana. All this extra income means we were able to reduce income taxes last year without impacting school funding or welfare programs, and that's after drug taxes paid for their rehabilitation programs.

LSD, also called by its street name 'acid' is a highly dangerous hallucinogen drug that causes users to become seriously disturbed. often, users have hallucinations-they see or hear things that do not exist, and in most cases, the user dies.

That is why the traficing of this drug must be stoped, the United Nations must Ban the makeing of and traficingf of LSD Now!

-Yu Hin Kan, Minister of Law inforcemet, Hataria

Hrrrmmm, I've lost count how many times I've dropped acid and I'm still alive. :?

LSD, also called by its street name 'acid' is a highly dangerous hallucinogen drug that causes users to become seriously disturbed. often, users have hallucinations-they see or hear things that do not exist, and in most cases, the user dies.

That is why the traficing of this drug must be stoped, the United Nations must Ban the makeing of and traficingf of LSD Now!

-Yu Hin Kan, Minister of Law inforcemet, Hataria

Hrrrmmm, I've lost count how many times I've dropped acid and I'm still alive. :?

Me too. Back in my youth I was quite often out of my head....

Ahh happy days...

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LSD, also called by its street name 'acid' is a highly dangerous hallucinogen drug that causes users to become seriously disturbed. often, users have hallucinations-they see or hear things that do not exist, and in most cases, the user dies.

That is why the traficing of this drug must be stoped, the United Nations must Ban the makeing of and traficingf of LSD Now!

-Yu Hin Kan, Minister of Law inforcemet, Hataria

Hrrrmmm, I've lost count how many times I've dropped acid and I'm still alive. :?

And that is why you are still being called a NOOB!

If you want to ban something, ban heroin or crack, you know, something ADDICTIVE.

And I disagree with your assertion that LSD use causes the death of the user. I have my sources....

"Clean" lysergic acid can be a helpful tool for trained clinical psychiatrists. Criminalization leads to manufacture on the black market, which means that the truly harmful drugs (usually amphetamines or PCP) get added in an attempt to "boost" the effect. Through legalization, a nation can keep tabs (pun not intended) on the quality of the product, and thus minimize harm.

All drugs are legal in The Black New World and we will not support any proposal that will change that.

Rose,
Assistant UN representative,
The Black New World
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In previous debate regarding banning a particular genre of music because the proposal author felt it promoted drug use, I wrote the following comments. Many of these comments I feel are appropriate to this debate is why recreational drugs are legal in Telidia.

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“The music and drug argument has been used again and again. It is just a convenient way for people to rationalise drug taking without looking at the issue itself. It is always far easier to blame something else, than to look at the issue face on.

The fact is that people like taking drugs, why else do alcohol exist, which is nothing but a legal drug in most nations. It is just a matter that some drugs are considered more socially acceptable. The real question is more social and psychological. Why do individuals enjoy drugs? Is it purely personal escapism from society or perhaps from personal problems? Could it be that as much as some would like to frown upon it, individuals might just like it, like others like to drinking alcohol and there is no other reason for it?

The fact of the matter remains that millions and millions of individuals will take drugs every night across the world and not always in clubs and no matter what governments do this will always be the case. Society as a whole have and always will have drug culture, from the birth of society drugs has been used by many cultures for both spiritual and entertainment purposes. The fact that something is illegal, only serves to spur on a culture to try ‘forbidden fruit’ and to rebel against a state that is seen as over bearing.

It is for these reasons we reject the measures in this proposal. Whilst we agree that safety of its citizens is of primary importance to any government, we feel this is better served by ensuring that for those individuals who do wish to take drugs it is safe from them do so by removing the black market element. Many drugs have highly complex chemistry and as such should only be made by qualified individuals. Other drugs are harmful and cause long-term dependency even in its purest form and by educating and allowing individuals to make an informed choice it will ultimately lead to these drugs decreasing in demand as they become more socially unacceptable.

This is not an easy strategy for any government to take, but without allowing a society to start taking responsibility for it self, it will never grow from adolescence. The state cannot go on forever making decisions for its citizens; it should rather help its citizens make right ones.”

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
HM Government of Telidia

It is true that even the so-called "experienced druggie" can die from an overdose trip of pretty much any drug except marijuana and tobacco. And yes it does take less than most to overdose on acid. I know that from personal experiences. But what right does anyone have to say what a person can or cannot do to his or her body? You have to let people make their own decisions. Simply because you believe that someone should or should not do something doesn't make you or the other person right. You cannot tell me what is right and wrong, good and evil, or anything of the sort. That type of moralism is dangerious and far too Christian at that. You can try to tell me what is "right", but it would still be biased and sanctimonious. Maybe you should try to let other people make decisions. Express your opinion and be done with it. You realize that by banning a narcotic all you do is create a black market. The USA for example bans every narcotic that doesn't have prescribed medicinal properties. Then of course there's corporation-run tobacco which should be among the ranks of all the other banned narcotics. There's more hypocrisy for you. In any case, there is smuggling and drug traffic coming from plenty of foreign suppliers. Banning something doesn't solve the problem.

The argument for banning LSD that holds some validity for me is not that it harms the person who chooses to use it, but the risk to others - as far as I know, after using LSD one can slip into hallucination at any time for a long period afterwards, and this poses a very serious risk to other people who did not choose to take that risk.

The user DIES?

LSD (and, in fact, most hallucigens) are not likely to cause any lasting damage. It is an expirimentation and enlightenment drug. I do not advocate it, but I find it rediculous to make such ignorant claims about a reletively harmless drug. Reletively, because there are cases of brain damage and very seriouse harm. Furthermore, addiction is unhealthy, period. However the substance is simply not so dangerous as you would have us beleive. Timothy Leary, in fact, was a Harvard proffesor in the sixties who advocated the use of LSD in a controlled, planned environment to stimulate greater intellectual inspiration. He asserted that LSD or Marajuana, if taken under the right conditions and for the right reasons, was a mind-opening tool.

Also, whatever the hazzards of this drug, its influence in the world of art and music cannot be denied.

Telidia, can you check T-grams?

Have you considered the Accord? (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154695)

LSD, also called by its street name 'acid' is a highly dangerous hallucinogen drug that causes users to become seriously disturbed. often, users have hallucinations-they see or hear things that do not exist, and in most cases, the user dies.

That is why the traficing of this drug must be stoped, the United Nations must Ban the makeing of and traficingf of LSD Now!

-Yu Hin Kan, Minister of Law inforcemet, Hataria

Hrrrmmm, I've lost count how many times I've dropped acid and I'm still alive. :?

And that is why you are still being called a NOOB!

Uh Huh, That was ooc, but whatever: Our country firmly believe that you are alowed to get stoned out of your god damn mind, because if you kill you rself doing it (which has only happened 57 times in past 2 years) the you probably deserved it. plus, illegal manufacturing and growth of drugs is outlawed, and punishable by 5 years or 60 million zire.

illegal manufacturing and growth of drugs is outlawed, and punishable by 5 years or 60 million zire.

Under what conditions is production legal?

Actually, LSD has long term effects, time frame of which is not presently known.... Even after 30 years or more, it's presence can still be found in spinal and cerebral fluid, at 10 years and possibly more, it can be found simply within cell culture and DNA tests.

The chemical makeup of LSD( d-Lysergic Acid Diethylamide-25 ) closely resembles the neurotransmitter used through the brainstem called sterotonin ( 5-HT ).

LSD acts as a catalytic chemical, and remains present in the body for long extended periods of time, and may never actually fully be cycled out.

It's predominate physiological effect comes in it's effect on 5-HT at the brain stem, resulting in literally "communications" problems between the body and the brain (location high in the brain stem means it's unpredictable effect can be impacted on just about any biological system in the body). In addition it's behaviour is erratic and unpredictable (hense why early research with it was abandoned). In addition it's reaction is also post-synaptic... it's effects on sterotonin trasmitters is at this point indicated permanate effect, leading the reaction arbitrarily at any point in the future (sic. flash-backs).

Early research by Dr. Albert Hoffman, the initial discoverer of the compound, found that the experience in the "trips" of the case studies, were indicitive of their mental state prior to being given the dose. LSD acts in many cases to enhance the perceptional and emotional mental state of the study, so present mental state before the dose; whether anger, hate, love, happiness, etc.; is enhanced in the "trip".

Because of it's effect on 5-HT transmitters and receivers in the brain stem, it's effects can even impact automated systems, such as heart-beat, breathing, etc.

The practice of "slipping" people LSD unknowningly has led to many cases of permanate and traumatic psychological damage, and in some cases permanate psychosis.

In conclusion, LDS is an erratic, unpredictable drug, it's effects can range from mild, to severe, to traumatic, with no indicative reasoning for the difference. Being that it's specific makeup effects a very specific region, unpredictable in effect, which is absolutely essential to neuro-biological control, the drug is far too dangerous to be used for either research or "recreational" use....

There is no actual evidence that LSD lingers in the body for any length of time whatsoever. You can't tap someone's spine and find LSD (or otherwise find out they took LSD), you can't punch them in the spine and make them trip, and so on.

There is also no evidence that LSD alters your DNA, or makes you think you're an orange for the rest of your life (or contains strychnine, for that matter).. Some people are dumb, and when they take LSD, they do dumb things. Weird, huh?

Regardless, if LSD was so evil and bad, you could take one of several other hallucinogenic compounds to obtain similar effects, like psychedelic mushrooms, peyote, or DMT.

There is no actual evidence that LSD lingers in the body for any length of time whatsoever. You can't tap someone's spine and find LSD (or otherwise find out they took LSD), you can't punch them in the spine and make them trip, and so on.

There is also no evidence that LSD alters your DNA, or makes you think you're an orange for the rest of your life (or contains strychnine, for that matter).. Some people are dumb, and when they take LSD, they do dumb things. Weird, huh?

Regardless, if LSD was so evil and bad, you could take one of several other hallucinogenic compounds to obtain similar effects, like psychedelic mushrooms, peyote, or DMT.

Incorrect, spinal taps have been used for LSD detection for 20 years now, and folical cell-culture testing for 8 years....

There is plenty of evidence that it can lead to permanate psychcosis, especial in the practice of unknowning "slipping" someone LSD... The psycologic effect of a "trip" is very high, and being predetermined by the mental state of the person given the dose, can lead to permanate damage. (Slipping someone LSD is legally defined within the scope of "assault with the intent to cause permanate harm" within the Republic).

http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~ivl/writing/non_fiction/lsd/
http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/LSD/LSD.psych.html
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/lsd03.htm

I might add, that only rare in cases of intentional use, the case of slipping someone the drug can be horrendous, it aggrevates the emotional and perceptional state of the person, someone who is slipped it while mad at someone, is likely to become paranoid and violent... In addition it is proved that it will aggrevate further anyone with mental instabilities; obessive-compultion, schizophrenia, etc. will all be enhanced, and in some cases act as the "final-straw" to throw these people over the edge.

In any case, it's effects are erratic and unpredictable, contrary to many of the beliefs of those in favor of it's recreational use.... being the case that it can act, arbitrarily as both a neurological inhibitor or enhancer, or both...

[quote="Tekania"]In any case, it's effects are erratic and unpredictable, contrary to many of the beliefs of those in favor of it's recreational use....[quote]
A sweeping generalisation there. Do you not think that, at least, some people weigh up the consequences and choose to take it.

My family has no history of mental illnesses, Des's family has a history of depression and schizophrenia. If she were to take LSD or smoke cannabis it may effect her more then it would effect me. Looking at the information I may conclude that the small risk involved was worth it for the good short term effects.

As I sort of lost my point in the first paragraph I'll pop it in here; just because there are some bad effects doesn’t mean the people who decide to do it anyway ignore them.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World
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[quote="Tekania"]In any case, it's effects are erratic and unpredictable, contrary to many of the beliefs of those in favor of it's recreational use....[quote]
A sweeping generalisation there. Do you not think that, at least, some people weigh up the consequences and choose to take it.

My family has no history of mental illnesses, Des's family has a history of depression and schizophrenia. If she were to take LSD or smoke cannabis it may effect her more then it would effect me. Looking at the information I may conclude that the small risk involved was worth it for the good short term effects.

As I sort of lost my point in the first paragraph I'll pop it in here; just because there are some bad effects doesn’t mean the people who decide to do it anyway ignore them.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588) ~ What can the UN do and what can it do for me?
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[quote="Tekania"]In any case, it's effects are erratic and unpredictable, contrary to many of the beliefs of those in favor of it's recreational use....[quote]
A sweeping generalisation there. Do you not think that, at least, some people weigh up the consequences and choose to take it.

My family has no history of mental illnesses, Des's family has a history of depression and schizophrenia. If she were to take LSD or smoke cannabis it may effect her more then it would effect me. Looking at the information I may conclude that the small risk involved was worth it for the good short term effects.

As I sort of lost my point in the first paragraph I'll pop it in here; just because there are some bad effects doesn’t mean the people who decide to do it anyway ignore them.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588) ~ What can the UN do and what can it do for me?
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I just think because of it's irratic effect, that it should be under strict controls.... The few research groups still presently utilizing it, proscribe an intense psychological battery to the members of the study group, before allowing them in the study... This has been the closest thing to "safe" use...

It does hold a unique position in being one of the most powerful neurological drugs possing little to no dependency aspects....

I strongly disagree with having it open to recreational use because of the power it has over effecting the neurology of the person...

No one has died of an acid overdose. LSD can cause psychosis in people who are already unstable when taken in large doses. Acid does not collect in the body, PCP does.

Haaregradia allows the sale of all recreational drugs through the government.

No one has died of an acid overdose. LSD can cause psychosis in people who are already unstable when taken in large doses. Acid does not collect in the body, PCP does.

Haaregradia allows the sale of all recreational drugs through the government.

Keep believing that, case study says otherwise....

LSD has led to suicide ( in one case study, performed medically with pure LSD).

There have been several people suffering heart attacks due to it (we're talking in medical studies, where pure LDS is used).

LSD does collect in the body, and there are tests to detect it within spinal fluid, and through cell-cultures for more then a decade. [OOC: The U.S. military has been using while-blood cell culturing to detect LSD in personnel, even if they had not "dropped" it in 20 years or more, and summerarily dismissed them, if they had not admited as such in their original recruitment paperwork).

LSD sites which "advocate" it's use, do deny all the previous claims as being not found in research, however the research has provided proof of it. Research institutes have satisfied the burden of proof on the topic, so therefore "advocate" sites are either blantantly fraudulent, or make their claims on ignorance of the studies.... as are you.