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Seeing how even proposals with HEAVY support never reach quoram simply because not everyone gets around to voting on it. I can think of two viable solutions and one not so viable one. One: Lower the required amount of approvals to 5%. Two: Increase the amount of time each proposal can be voted on by no less than 2 days. and the "not gonna happen one": Merge some of the smaller regions together, thereby lowering the amount of delegates.

How about just telegramming delegates and if it's any good they'll support it? There's almost no chance of a proposal becoming a resolution if you don't have a telegramming campaign.

True that in ratio, not many delegates actually look at the proposals,

but as Safalra said you need to telegram the delegates, also what may help attract attention, is if you post a copy in this forum, and explain WHY and possibly how they should vote for it.

Just make it a good case :)

how about making a [Agree} {disagree} buttons for proposals

[Agree] - +1 support
[Disargee] - -1 support

and have compusory voting on proposals atleast 5 a week for all UN Deligates or else they lose 5 - # of times they voted endorsements

How about just telegramming delegates and if it's any good they'll support it? There's almost no chance of a proposal becoming a resolution if you don't have a telegramming campaign.

It works if you put in the effort.

How about just telegramming delegates and if it's any good they'll support it? There's almost no chance of a proposal becoming a resolution if you don't have a telegramming campaign.


Yeah. If you really want support for your proposals you'll put in the effort of telegramming delegates.

There's almost no chance of a proposal becoming a resolution if you don't have a telegramming campaign.

I'll add to that.

Several of my region's UN Delegates have been so busy that they've asked several other North Pacific nations to give them a hand and scan the proposal list for good proposals that we feel the region may enjoy debating and voting on in the UN.

It is honestly time consuming to read through 10-15 pages of proposals twice a week. Telegramming campaigns (like the cold calling I've been talking about) are critical.

10kMichael

I tried a telegramming campaign, got to the mid 'b's. and I noticed something disturbing...
A good number (didn't keep count but its enough to be concerned about) of delegates have been idle for 5 days+, and many have been idle for nearly a month. I think if a delegate goes idle for that long, they should instantly be kicked out of their position and the person with the next highest amount of endorsements should become delegate. Or at least they shouldn't count in calculation of the 6%, cause if that was the case, my (well written mind you) Child Pornography proposal wouldn't have died in committy. BTW, i really hate the fact that I had to draw attention to the proposal, instead of the delegates finding it themselves (which I personally believe is one of the duties of a delegate). Even more disturbing: I found one delegate who REFUSES to look at proposals... If that isn't refusing the duties of a delegate, I don't know what is. (said delegate also is doing several other "not so nice" things, but I won't get into that)

Leetonia, I understand that for you, UN proposals and resolutions are the most important part of the game. But for others, it's a subsidiary element. I too wonder about all the tiny regions, but if they're two or three friends who play together, maybe weekends only, where's the harm?

As the delegate of a medium-sized region (60-70 nations, high proportion UN) my daily tasklist includes regional boards, welcoming new nations and amusing current ones, offsite regional boards, military alliance boards, allied regions, news services, NS forums, diplomacy and recruitment. I do try and keep up with proposals, at least a couple of times a week, but do you have any idea how mind-numbingly boring it is to read 15 pages of (mainly) rubbish, at the mercy of a slow server?

If I get a telegram about a proposal, I will usually search and look at it and if it's decently-written and I think my region has at least a 50% chance of wanting to support it, I'll endorse it. A suggestion to everyone: start your next telegramming campaign at the middle or end of the alphabet, then you'll be hitting regions and delegates other than the A's, who must get so many telegrams they're fed up with them ... :wink:


White Lotus Eaters
UN Delegate, Urbanites (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=urbanites)

Actually I was refering to the regions of 1 nations... what is the point in that, i mean that is one HECK of an exclusive club

Actually I was refering to the regions of 1 nations... what is the point in that, i mean that is one HECK of an exclusive clubThey don't have delegates though, so they aren't lowering the total

how about making a [Agree} {disagree} buttons for proposals

[Agree] - +1 support
[Disargee] - -1 support

and have compusory voting on proposals atleast 5 a week for all UN Deligates or else they lose 5 - # of times they voted endorsementsI think 2 lists, one for agree one for disagree. If the agree list hits quorum, it gets voted on. If the disagree hits quorum, it gets eliminated.

I've also suggested that rather than having to reach quorum, whichever resolution has the highest amount of approvals gets voted on, thus ensuring that they'll always be a resolution in the UN, and also (possibly) allowing more controversial resolutions to get voted on.

I've also suggested that rather than having to reach quorum, whichever resolution has the highest amount of approvals gets voted on, thus ensuring that they'll always be a resolution in the UN, and also (possibly) allowing more controversial resolutions to get voted on.

but have each resolution spend time at quorum even if another 1 gets more populair,


how about if a resolution in this idea reaches quorum it is moved to a seprate list where it is again voted on to see the order in which it will reach quorum...

Leetonia, I understand that for you, UN proposals and resolutions are the most important part of the game. But for others, it's a subsidiary element. I too wonder about all the tiny regions, but if they're two or three friends who play together, maybe weekends only, where's the harm?

As the delegate of a medium-sized region (60-70 nations, high proportion UN) my daily tasklist includes regional boards, welcoming new nations and amusing current ones, offsite regional boards, military alliance boards, allied regions, news services, NS forums, diplomacy and recruitment. I do try and keep up with proposals, at least a couple of times a week, but do you have any idea how mind-numbingly boring it is to read 15 pages of (mainly) rubbish, at the mercy of a slow server?

If I get a telegram about a proposal, I will usually search and look at it and if it's decently-written and I think my region has at least a 50% chance of wanting to support it, I'll endorse it. A suggestion to everyone: start your next telegramming campaign at the middle or end of the alphabet, then you'll be hitting regions and delegates other than the A's, who must get so many telegrams they're fed up with them ... :wink:


White Lotus Eaters
UN Delegate, Urbanites (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=urbanites)Sadly, its faster than and more effective than the issues

how about if a resolution in this idea reaches quorum it is moved to a seprate list where it is again voted on to see the order in which it will reach quorum...

I like the first in, first out queue for resolutions. I'd hate to see something tabled.

That said, I'm convinced proposals are more likely to get endorsements when there is no current resolution up for debate nor in the queue. But this could just be my impression as somebody fighting for endorsements on his own proposal. :)

10kMichael

That said, I'm convinced proposals are more likely to get endorsements when there is no current resolution up for debate nor in the queue. But this could just be my impression as somebody fighting for endorsements on his own proposal. :)

10kMichaelI know the feeling :(

BTW, I'd like to direct everyone in attendance to my "UN Etiquette" thread, should be on the 2nd page.

Seeing how even proposals with HEAVY support never reach quoram simply because not everyone gets around to voting on it. I can think of two viable solutions and one not so viable one. One: Lower the required amount of approvals to 5%. Two: Increase the amount of time each proposal can be voted on by no less than 2 days. and the "not gonna happen one": Merge some of the smaller regions together, thereby lowering the amount of delegates.

I totally oppose the idea of merging Regions against their will.
Many have created Regions, and only invite those of like political mind to join them. Others have created regions as class projects.

Besides, at what point do you determine a "small" Region?

I am horrified that you would even suggest such a thing!

Besides, who decides which Regions would be merged with which other Regions...and possibly admit hostiles into a newly-created Region made from merged older Regions?

For example, we do not want conservo-creeps in our Region. We, in fact, constitutionally require, in our Region, a certain minimum level of Civil Rights/Political Freedoms score to be eligible to vote on issues of Regional concern...and no real conservo-creep would be able to maintain those scores, unless they completely decide issues against their own true conscience.

If any sort of Region-merging were ever to be considered, I would say that any Region, no matter it's size, that had gone to the extent and work of creating an off-site Forum, a Regional Constitution and governmental apparatus, as well as a Regional Map...would be exempt from any sort of merging, and be allowed to exist, regardless it's size.

It would be totally wrong to screw up someone else's hard work and dedication that they had put into creating a Region pleasing to their eye...by merging them with another Region that may be hostile to the core values of the Region which was targeted to be merged into some other Region.

Our Region, for example, was created 1 1/2 years ago by denizens of the old Pacific Region. We were dissatisfied with the lack of UN Representation for our views, and we voted with our feet, choosing to leave the Pacific, and create our own Region.

Interestingly enough, our current UN Delegate is a reformed conservo-creep, who originally came to our Region as a Psychotic Dictatorship. Over the course of time he spent in our Region, he proved his worthiness of holding the title he now does, by stating his intent to, desiring, and acting to change his nation's standing to one acceptable to us...and is now I believe, a Scandinavian Liberal Paradise!

Thats why I labeled it the "not gonna happen" one. Besides, some regions are SO small that you know its not about political views, I doubt that anyone has political views so unusual that no more than 1 other person would agree with it. A rather disturbing number of delegates are delegates by default, there are two nations, one endorses the other, that one becomes the delegate, the delegate endorses the other, the delegate stays the delegate because ties don't count. Besides, a delegate with one endorsement might as well not be a delegate. I would think that you'd want a larger region... Also, I was never impling MANDATORY region merging, more of a, "Okay, we agree with these guys, so lets merge." Sorta a confederation.

Unfortunately, I think this apathy for endorsing UN proposals from Delegates has come from the fact that the quality of UN proposals as of late has been shabby to say the least, and as such quality has dropped so has the quantity interested in getting them passed.