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Okay, some "issues" have been pointed out with the 2nd Draft of the OUTLAW CHILD PORNOGRAPHY act, henceforth refered to as the OCP. Following is the 4th draft, please read and give me your opinions.Outlaw Child Pornography
A resolution to restrict civil rights in interest of morality.

DEEPLY DISTURBED by the continued proliferation and distribution of pornographic material featuring minors by member nations.

CONDEMNING such practices by all nations, especially member nations.

NOTING WITH SATISFACTION that the greater assembly has already passed a resolution banning child molestation.

1) CALLS UPON the greater assembly to, effective immediately, ban the sale, publication, and distribution of all forms of child pornography.

2a) DEFINING “child pornography” as any media, including, but not limited to, photos, videos, and digital media, featuring a minor involved in a sexual situation, including, but not limited to, masturbation, fondling, or any form of penetration (excluding consumption of food).
2b) INCLUDING, in the definition presented in clause 2a, any written media featuring detailed accounts of acts described in aforementioned clause.

3a) DESIGNATES the right to decide upon the definition of “minor” to each individual member nation, on the condition that all non-minors be considered adults in the eyes of the law.
3b) SETS the minimum acceptable age at which one becomes an adult to 12

4) NOTES that exempt from clause 2b of this resolution are any media recognized by a government board assembled by respective government of the individual member nation as documentary or informative in nature.I will be accepting questions and recommendations.

BUMPAGE!

Thank you, this draft clarifies my concerns.

Empire of Meiyo
Member of The Coolness Conglomerate

Someone actually picked option 4....God that scares me...

You can count on my support.

If it still needs revising, could you please clarify?

DP

Seeing as noone objects outright to any portion of this proposal, and noone has anything constructive to offer. I have submitted the proposal, the endorsement process ends this sunday, so I ask that everyone tell their delegates about this proposal so that It may reach quoram (sp?)

Our current delegate is resigning, but once a new one comes into power, I will happily urge them to endorse this proposal.

Our current delegate is resigning, but once a new one comes into power, I will happily urge them to endorse this proposal.

Minimun acceptable age at 12 to be an adult?! that completely voids the entire proposal! does that mean if a nation thinks that a girl of twelve is an adult then they can do porn?!
please explain this clause at the end of your proposal. And we can vote on our support from there. Thankyou

Hurting, abusing, or exploiting anyone is wrong. Most would instinctively feel this to be true, especially as it concerns some of the most vulnerable: children. An agreement should be reached between all our civilized nations to secure the world's population.

Proudhonistes strongly believe in the protection of all individuals. The problem with the current resolution is the presumption that anything touching "child pornography" is by necessity negatively impacting children. This, however, is not true.

As such, clause 2b oversteps its bounds. Clause 4 addresses this concern to some extent, but it should also permit written media that is artistic in nature. If novels depict unacceptable abuses such as slavery, torture, rape, and other heinous acts, without being deemed as abusive, neither should desciptions of child pornography.

While we can pretend certain things do not exist to ease our moralistic minds, realities should not be ignored. Art reflects everything in humanity, from the best to the worst. Exploration of our spectrum of existence unveils the hidden fears we have. Exposing them to a reasonable rationalization allows us to make the best decisions towards a life without hindrance to reach the fullest of our being.

Proudhonistes will not support this draft unless 2b is removed.

Minimun acceptable age at 12 to be an adult?! that completely voids the entire proposal! does that mean if a nation thinks that a girl of twelve is an adult then they can do porn?!
please explain this clause at the end of your proposal. And we can vote on our support from there. Thankyou

The age of 12 is set as a guideline. It was stated in the debate over an earlier draft that each nation decides what age defines a minor or adult. This limit simply means a nation cannot go below the age of 12 for being an adult.

For example: If your nation sets its adult age to begin at 12, then all people of ages 12 and above are granted full citizenship, and all rights according with your laws to adult citizens. This means that it is most likely by law, their choice to consent or not to pornography.

This being said, another question comes into play that I may have seen asked before. Do we want a person of 12 years of age, one who has not developed fully to maturity yet, to be voting for governments positions? Serving in the military? Owning a house, having a job, and possibly getting married?

In my opinion these are still children, and even though, according to this proposal, each nation has its own laws and restrictions, I think it to be morally wrong to place these kinds of heavy decisions on the youth of any society.

I propose an ammendment in the said proposal, raising the minimum age of 12 to a BARE minimum age of 15. At least in this point in life the person in question has an understanding of the world and can make many key decisions for themselves.

2b) INCLUDING, in the definition presented in clause 2a, any written media featuring detailed accounts of acts described in aforementioned clause.

This clause I find worry-ing, it seems to me your trying to strike the entire knowledge of the act from the minds of member citizenry ... something about that strikes me as concerning. Its a little worry-ing to think of any literature being banned, regardless of content. But maybe thats just me. I don't actualy like the idea of child pornography, but I fail to see why we must out-law words on a page. Shall we ban " the U.N. sucks ! " next ?

3b) SETS the minimum acceptable age at which one becomes an adult to 12

I really don't like this, its a " rider clause ", from the looks of it, and I find it disturbing you'd consider giving a 12 year old the rights of an adult. Does that ths mean parents can kick their " adult " kids out at age 12 ? Make them work to pay board ? This opens up too many issues, if anything, adult-hood should at least be declared at 18 and seperate acts like smoking, voting, driving, etc, etc, should be decided my member nations.

Also does this mean a 12 year old who commits murder is open to being charged by the death penalty in a nation which has it ?

12 is way to young to make a kid an adult, I'm afraid, no matter how well intended the act, its simply not in my mind paying attention to equal or greater social values and issues.

In the event this proposal dies in que, please consider these things if re-drafting.

:wink:

- T.R. Kom
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I have full right to look at child porn.

2b) INCLUDING, in the definition presented in clause 2a, any written media featuring detailed accounts of acts described in aforementioned clause.
Even if it is fiction?

What about stories set in the past or anything with teenagers in it. A 'fully developed' teenager is different then a young child and certain activities are normal for them. This law doesn’t take into account the context where it is found. It could be used in a story to dehumanise a character or even a Childs account of what happened to it.

Even if it is portrayed in a good light (a teen romance, for example), as long as the characters are fictional why would that hurt anyone.

If someone copies what is written in a book it's there problem not the author.

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588) ~ What can the UN do and what can it do for me?
(http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151465&highlight=)

Where's the option on the poll that doesn’t make the people who don't agree with you either agree in theory or makes them watch child pornography?

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588) ~ What can the UN do and what can it do for me?
(http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151465&highlight=)

Where's the option on the poll that doesn’t make the people who don't agree with you either agree in theory or makes them watch child pornography?

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588) ~ What can the UN do and what can it do for me?
(http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151465&highlight=)

Chid porn?! EEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!! That's SICK! NASTY!!! The thought Makes my mind burn! Make it stop! :!:

The Euopean Federal Union sees child abuse as a vile act and has already enacted anti child abuse laws, that operate throughout the Union's member nations. The Nations of the EFU will surely vote for this proposal to pass.


President C.D. Rich`
Republic of Nuovo Campania,
EFU Commission President.

Sorry wrong box…

You have Leylsh's support, although we would be less divided about it if the age that a subject would be considered an adult was raised.

OOC: I mean...12?!?? :x

12 is not an age that one could be considered an adult. Bearing in mind that most 12 year olds have no real grasp on the adult world, how would they know when they were being explioted by people? Would their parents look after them?

The sentiment is laudable, it's just the age needs changing. I wouldn't be happy with my pre~teen daughter being ogled by people.

Love, light, and peace
Gillian Lokeskijowska,
Dept. of Social Awareness,
Rvolt