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I would like to call to your attention a proposal currently in the amendment process. Following is the proposal, itself followed by further clarifications/details.
Outlaw Child Pornography
A resolution to restrict civil rights in interest of morality.

DEEPLY DISTURBED by the continued proliferation and distribution of pornographic material featuring minors by member nations.

CONDEMNING such practices by all nations, especially member nations.

NOTING WITH SATISFACTION that the greater assembly has already passed a resolution banning child molestation.

1) CALLS UPON the greater assembly to, effective immediately, ban the sale, publication, and distribution of all forms of child pornography.

2a) DEFINING “child pornography” as any media, including, but not limited to, photos, videos, and digital media, featuring a minor involved in a sexual situation, including, but not limited to, masturbation, fondling, or any form of penetration (excluding consumption of food).
2b) INCLUDING, in the definition presented in clause 2a, any written media featuring detailed accounts of acts described in aforementioned clause.

3) DESIGNATES the right to decide upon the definition of “minor” to each individual member nation, on the condition that all non-minors be given the same rights as any other non-minor of similar race, ethnicity, income, and social standing.

4) NOTES that exempt from clause 2b of this resolution are any media recognized by the respective governments of the individual member nation as documentary or informative in nature.

Regarding clause 3: The condition is included in order to fill in a potention loophole for nations, while not giving rights to any citizen below a certain age, still considers said citizens to be non-minors.
If you would be so kind, could you please read this proposal and make suggestions as to its amendment, or if no amendment is needed, please state.

Bumpage

Tis must be passed immediately. I fail to see the cultural of artistic merit certain sick individuals are talknig about.

Okay, I'm gonna hold off for til tomorrow, and if there are no suggestions for amendment, I'm making this an offical proposal (btw, except for some rewording, this is the same as a proposal I sent in last week) How is it that I'm getting unanimous support now, but the last one died in committy.

I apologize, but I am still unsure of Clause 3, even after reading the description.

I aplogize for any inconvinience, but before I support or attack the proposition, I would like to be clear in my understanding.

In as much detail as possible please describe this as best you can.

Thank you.

Empire of Meiyo
Member of The Coolness Conglomerate

It would appear that Clause 4) allows images classified by this proposal as 'Child Pornography' to be used in documentaries. Does this mean that a documentary entitled "How to sexually satisfy yourself and your 6-year-old partner" would be allowed?

The CONDEMNATION at the beginning seems to iimply that there are whole nations that engage in the production of Child Pornography. Could the author perhaps give us a list of such nations? We would like to immediately place economic embargoes on said nations.

These two points would constitute what we deem to be 'fatal flaws' in this proposal and we cannot support it as written.

James Moehlman
Asst. Mgr. ico UN Affairs
Militant Mercantile Alliance of Greenspoint
UNSC Director

I also would like to have Clause 3 better explained... would Olwe have to change its legal age of consent (currently 15) to accomodate this proposal?

something definately needs to be done about Clause 3. if it is left unchanged, the same nations who are participating in child pornography would still be able to do it, but saying a minor is anyone under the age of 2 months old. without a change, nothing is accomplished at all.

I also would like to have Clause 3 better explained... would Olwe have to change its legal age of consent (currently 15) to accomodate this proposal?No. Basically clause 3 states that it is up to each nation to define below what age someone qualifies as a minor. For instance, say in one nation, you become a legal adult at age 12, then this resolution would only apply to media involving individuals 11 or younger. However, those 12 year olds would have to have all the rights that someone their race (to account for nations with racial segregation), gender (for nations that give certain rights to certain genders), and social bracket (for nations that only allow land owners to vote and such) would have. That prevents a nation from going "Oh, you stop being a minor at age 6, but you don't have rights until age 18." However, trading the images of someone who is technically of age in your country (15) to a nation with a higher minor/non-minor barrier (for sake of arguement 18 years old) would be illegal under this resolution. The purpose of clause 3 is to not interfere overly much with the sovergnty(sp?) of individual nations, such as tribal nations where children as young as 13 marry.

It would appear that Clause 4) allows images classified by this proposal as 'Child Pornography' to be used in documentaries. Does this mean that a documentary entitled "How to sexually satisfy yourself and your 6-year-old partner" would be allowed?Thank you for pointing out that flaw, Clause 4 is a leftover from the first draft, I'm revising as we speak. anyway, clause 4 should read 4)NOTES that exempt from clause 2b is any media recognized by the respective governments of the individual member nations as documentary or informative in natureAnd clause 2b will read 2b)INCLUDING, in the definition presented in clause 2a, any written media featuring detailed accounts of any of the acts described in afforementioned clause. What this does is allow news stories/documentaries on such acts in other, non-member countries.

I think that child pornography is ok. If not under 10.

I think that child pornography is ok. If not under 10.And thats your choice to make, even under this act, if you gave the same rights to 10 year olds that everyone else has, your nation could continue to distribute porn of preteens and not be breaking this law.

I also would like to have Clause 3 better explained... would Olwe have to change its legal age of consent (currently 15) to accomodate this proposal?No. Basically clause 3 states that it is up to each nation to define below what age someone qualifies as a minor. For instance, say in one nation, you become a legal adult at age 12, then this resolution would only apply to media involving individuals 11 or younger. However, those 12 year olds would have to have all the rights that someone their race (to account for nations with racial segregation), gender (for nations that give certain rights to certain genders), and social bracket (for nations that only allow land owners to vote and such) would have. That prevents a nation from going "Oh, you stop being a minor at age 6, but you don't have rights until age 18." However, trading the images of someone who is technically of age in your country (15) to a nation with a higher minor/non-minor barrier (for sake of arguement 1 would be illegal under this resolution.

If I might intrude, I think I might have another decent explanation for clause 3. It prevents a nation from creating a third class of citizen, between minor and non-minor, which has no rights -- in other words, for the purposes of this resolution, citizens are only to be divided into the two categories "minors" and "non-minors."

It's not the most elegant plugging of a loophole ever, although I think it'll do; I think just full-out saying, "Any citizen who is not considered a minor will be considered an adult for the purposes of this resolution," may be better, if this is still in the draft stage.

When I first saw this, my first instinct was to paste up the "Outlaw Pedophilia" resolution and state redundancy, but this seems to be taking up the torch where the previous resolution failed to cover a particular area explicitly.

I think I like this proposal. Clause 4 does seem like a good idea, but it is a bit of a loophole. I'm not sure how to go about fixing that. If I might even be so nosy as to offer up my own draft of this, here goes:

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Outlaw Child Pornography
Category: Moral Decency (Mild, maybe Significant)

The General Assembly,

DEEPLY DISTURBED by the continuing proliferation and distribution of pornographic material featuring minors within or even by member nations,

CONDEMNING such practices by and within all nations, especially member nations,

NOTING WITH SATISFACTION that the greater assembly has already passed a resolution banning child molestation,

1) CALLS UPON the greater assembly to immediately ban the production, sale, publication, and distribution of any and all forms of child pornography.

2) DEFINES "child pornography" as any form of media, including but not limited to photos, videos, and digital media, featuring a minor involved in a sexual situation, including but not limited to masturbation, fondling, or any form of sexual penetration.

3) DESIGNATES, for the purposes of this resolution, the right to decide the definition of "minor" to each individual member nation, provided that any citizen not considered a minor is considered an adult, and provided that no person under the age of 16 is considered an adult.

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It occurs to me that we aren't actually setting the age of consent, but more the age to appear in porno films, which most people agree should be a bit higher. I would prefer 18 myself, but worry about losing support. Do what you will with it.

If I might intrude, I think I might have another decent explanation for clause 3. It prevents a nation from creating a third class of citizen, between minor and non-minor, which has no rights -- in other words, for the purposes of this resolution, citizens are only to be divided into the two categories "minors" and "non-minors."

It's not the most elegant plugging of a loophole ever, although I think it'll do; I think just full-out saying, "Any citizen who is not considered a minor will be considered an adult for the purposes of this resolution," may be better, if this is still in the draft stage.

When I first saw this, my first instinct was to paste up the "Outlaw Pedophilia" resolution and state redundancy, but this seems to be taking up the torch where the previous resolution failed to cover a particular area explicitly.

I think I like this proposal. Clause 4 does seem like a good idea, but it is a bit of a loophole. I'm not sure how to go about fixing that. If I might even be so nosy as to offer up my own draft of this, here goes:

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Outlaw Child Pornography
Category: Moral Decency (Mild, maybe Significant)

The General Assembly,

DEEPLY DISTURBED by the continuing proliferation and distribution of pornographic material featuring minors within or even by member nations,

CONDEMNING such practices by and within all nations, especially member nations,

NOTING WITH SATISFACTION that the greater assembly has already passed a resolution banning child molestation,

1) CALLS UPON the greater assembly to immediately ban the production, sale, publication, and distribution of any and all forms of child pornography.

2) DEFINES "child pornography" as any form of media, including but not limited to photos, videos, and digital media, featuring a minor involved in a sexual situation, including but not limited to masturbation, fondling, or any form of sexual penetration.

3) DESIGNATES, for the purposes of this resolution, the right to decide the definition of "minor" to each individual member nation, provided that any citizen not considered a minor is considered an adult, and provided that no person under the age of 16 is considered an adult.

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It occurs to me that we aren't actually setting the age of consent, but more the age to appear in porno films, which most people agree should be a bit higher. I would prefer 18 myself, but worry about losing support. Do what you will with it.Thank you for your input. Re: Clause 4 I have already filled the loophole, and I like your idea for the revision of clause 3, and I will put great thought into amending as such.
As for the limit on age, I was considering something like that myself, but seeing the reaction somepeople had to the UN interfering with sovreignty I figured it be best to leave it totally up to the individual nation, or at the most, limit it to 10≤. Also, re: redundancy, due to game mechanics, in order for all the UN to be playing by the same rules so to speak, its almost a requirement to every once in a while pass a redundant resolution.

I would support this, except the thing is clause 3 is too open ended, and clause 4 could cause problems.

I think the solution for clause 4 would be to simply require any documentary that contains sexual content to be cleared through a government board.

Clause 3... I mean I do believe that each nation should be given the freedom to specify for themselves what is a minor and what isn't, but there should be limits. Like to completely void this, a nation could just set the age at 1 or something....

So that would require some revision.... other than that I think it's a good proposal though.

I would support an age of 14 or so, I think people at that age should be mature enough to make their own decisions.

I would support this, except the thing is clause 3 is too open ended, and clause 4 could cause problems.

I think the solution for clause 4 would be to simply require any documentary that contains sexual content to be cleared through a government board.

Clause 3... I mean I do believe that each nation should be given the freedom to specify for themselves what is a minor and what isn't, but there should be limits. Like to completely void this, a nation could just set the age at 1 or something....

So that would require some revision.... other than that I think it's a good proposal though.

I would support an age of 14 or so, I think people at that age should be mature enough to make their own decisions.If you would be kind enough to re-read clause 4, you will see that it does have to pass through a government board, though I will reword it to make this more clear. As to clause 3, this has already been addressed and has be taken care of in the 4th draft.

Okay, seeing as the poll up and left, and I have now made 2 revisions to the original proposal posted. I will me making a new thread, with poll, to see if everyone approves of the new and improved 4th draft.