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I think that Cloning should be made illegal. People shouldn't be cloning each other. How would you feel if you were a cloned child and you grew up thinking that you were your own person only to find that you were a clone of someone else. That's not right. I think we should ban it.

Clones already have equal-rights with natruals. Banning cloning would be like telling them "Your very existance is illegal".

I wasn't saying that we should kick them out or say anything like what you are getting from what I wrote. I am saying that we should stop prdocing clones. I didnt' say anything about kicking out the clones that already exist today.Get it?

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Hmm, do you have any reasoning as to why cloaning should be made illegal. UN resolution "Scientific Freedom" grants peaceable and responsible scientists to engage in any sort of scientific work they wish. So, are you saying cloning is irresponsible ((which it certainly can be)) or unpeacable((which if you're the Fedral Union it is))? Can you give any sort of reason why?


~Jeanette Lupos
Galadisian Liason on Human Affairs

If i may interject clones are there own person they only appear the same to the people who they are a clone of Not to mention Clones are a regular part of Fed union society

We must accept the fact that clones have the same scientific structure (as in a human shape, a sentient mind, etc) excluding DNA which varies from person to person, and therefore must be accepted as a human.

I believe this is like abortion, kind of. If a clone is conceived and is in the maturing stage ere it is "born," then the scientist who created it would have the choice to stop the procedure or continue. Cloning harms nobody, unless there was a major scientific defect in the process or the clone, and therefore we cannot ban it based on what MAY happen.

Watch the movie Minority Report. You'll get it.

"Cloning harms nobody, unless there was a major scientific defect in the process or the clone, and therefore we cannot ban it based on what MAY happen. "
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‘Dolly’ is no babe
First published in:
Creation Ex Nihilo 21(4):7,
September–November 1999

Update: Dolly dies, February 2003 (see addendum)
The scientists who cloned Dolly, the first mammal ever cloned from a single adult cell (see Hello Dolly, have discovered evidence that she is aging prematurely. They say that because Dolly, now three years old, was cloned from a six-year-old adult sheep, her cells show signs of what could be advanced aging at a genetic level. As creatures age, the tips of their chromosomes fray and shorten progressively (see The countdown to death). It appears that Dolly has inherited the ‘pre-aged’ genetic material of the adult from which she was cloned.

The discovery has heightened the concerns of many scientists about the risks involved in the pursuit of human cloning.

Nature, May 27, 1999, pp. 316–317.

New Scientist, May 29, 1999, p. 12.

Addendum: Dolly’s premature death
Further to the above, in January 2002, Dolly was diagnosed with arthritis, normally found in old sheep. And on 14 February, she was put down at the age of 6 because she was suffering from progressive lung disease, again something common in older sheep. Sheep normally live to 11 or 12 years, but Dolly’s premature death makes sense in the light of the above, since she was cloned from a cell of a six-year-old ewe.

Dr Patrick Dixon, an ethicist in the human cloning area, further pointed out the applications to physical problems with human cloning (even aside from the ethical ones):

‘The greatest worry many scientists have is that human clones—even if they don’t have monstrous abnormalities in the womb—will need hip replacements in their teenage years and perhaps develop senile dementia by their 20th birthday. This is why Dolly’s health is so crucial and why scientists around the world will be waiting for the results of a post-mortem examination on her.’

CNN, 14 February 2003
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If we banned cloning we are not only banning the possibility the fabrication of copies of human beigns, we are also restricting the possibility of cloning organs that may be useful like for example the heart, the liver. Then in my opinion cloning should be put in a law for authorizing the good things that it have and restricting, the non-positive things of it

But what it the point of cloning organs if they are going to age faster and show signs of disease --most likely the SAME disease that harmed the original organ it was cloned to replace???

The article above, about dolly isn't just one odd case in the cloning business -- it is a pattern that is still continuing now---if the clone actually survives

Watch the movie Minority Report. You'll get it.

Actually, if I remember correctly, and I assume your making note of that trinity of folks in the pool who could predict murder before it happened, they were not the result of cloning, they were the result of birth defects from a synthetic hard-core narcotic before it was completely " safe " to use. That is, it was in its early vesions when the pregnant mothers of the three took it, and it damaged their ( developing childrens ) DNA. It had nothing to do with cloning at all. I think.

Well, now we all know I memorise the completely wrong stuff ...

* Looks on with despair at stuff I - should - be studying ... :roll:

:wink:

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But what it the point of cloning organs if they are going to age faster and show signs of disease --most likely the SAME disease that harmed the original organ it was cloned to replace???

1) The point is once we over-come the age problem, we can do it good.

2) " do it good. " Well, I have no grammar today ... :wink:

3) The " SAME disease " would only crop up if it was induced due to genetic coding in the tissue, and one of the aims of cloning research is to discover, eliminate or replace any such particular coding in the tissue DNA. Or exposed to the exact same stressors as the last. Which would be pretty darn'd stupid to do.

" Now Mr Smith, we know not to smoke again don't we ? "

* Sound of cigarette lighting up

...

* Sound of Mr Smith being smacked on the head by angry organ replacement surgeon.

:wink:

4) If you having an organ replaced, chances are your not going to need it as long as you needed the old one. Especially in the case of the elderly. Might I add, human life span is currently always going to be finite, as brain capacity is limited and even the really hard core science types are skeptical if we can regenerate neuro-tissue with-out memory loss or potential damage to other stored data.

( Personality, emotions, etc, etc, etc. )

5) People should stop going extremist over the cloning stuff, even the pro-organ nuts, we are still developing great technology leading towards synthetic material and organ replacement, just recently micro pumps were constructed whih could be implanted in small arteries and veins to maintain fluidic flow in people with bad circulation. Until cloning debate is resolved what-ever way, we should still be supporting these great developments regardless.

* Gets off of soap box, :wink:

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But what it the point of cloning organs if they are going to age faster and show signs of disease --most likely the SAME disease that harmed the original organ it was cloned to replace???


Bear in mind that there are diseases that are environment / diet induced. Lung cancer or rotting your liver out come to mind.

10kMichael

I only support cloning for medicinal purposes not for reprodctive purposes.

I only support cloning for medicinal purposes not for reprodctive purposes.

Cloning at this point is irresponsible because of the lack of information we have.

Hmm, do you have any reasoning as to why cloaning should be made illegal. UN resolution "Scientific Freedom" grants peaceable and responsible scientists to engage in any sort of scientific work they wish. So, are you saying cloning is irresponsible ((which it certainly can be)) or unpeacable((which if you're the Fedral Union it is))? Can you give any sort of reason why?


~Jeanette Lupos
Galadisian Liason on Human Affairs

I Firmly Believe In Cloning But Only In A controlled sense... Cloning plant organisms and unliving to cure disease is considered a very acceptable idea, while cloning whole people and harvesting their organs is about as wrong as genocide of fluffy cute kittens. you will need to be more specific in your ban of cloning

There is already a daily issue for this subject so I don’t see any reason for UN legislation in this regard. I really feel we should try and keep daily issues apart from UN resolutions.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
HM Government of Telidia

We support the cloning or organs for medical purposes, but full clones of entire individuals is unnecessary, potentially psychologically damaging, could result in serious medical problems for said clone, and could be used for less-than-amicable purposes. There are no benefits from cloning a full human being from another, only drawbacks, and this is the aspect of cloning which needs to be banned. Individual organs to save lives is a different matter.

it is impossible to clone organs, you have to clone a whole being to harvest organs

On the contrary, if that were the case then apart from anything else, that would render cloning of any variety useless anyway. IF a clone of a human is recognised as such, it would be violating human rights to simply harvest organs from them, mooting the need to clone them in the first place. It is perfectly possible to clone individual organs. It is just not a reality as of yet, but then, neither is human cloning.

well said... its true that human cloning is not even a real option yet, so neither is organ cloning

However, when it IS real, there must be laws in place already to prevent its abuse. Andone of these laws must be that cloning a walking, talking, breathing, dancing human is illegal.

yes, and i can tell you of a u.n law already set in place before the idea was possible:

No Government Shall Be Allowed To Control The Atmosphere And Whether in an act of war against Another Country.

Funny Thing Is, The United States Of America Actually Can Do This Now, But Is Prohibited From Doing So

cloning a walking, talking, breathing, dancing human is illegal. I wonder, what if this is a clone with no legs, vocal cords, or mouth? :twisted: :P :shock: :? :wink:









Potheads Of Izrathia

You know what I mean, ya pothead :P

Anyway... Cloning Should Be Limited By Morals, Decency, and logic.











Izrathian Rep. Morgan R Bishop

I would like to point out that many nations have already perfected the practice of cloning, and use it for many purposes. My nation is against cloning for the sake of organs however, as it is against our laws banning the involuntary harvesting of organs.

My country supports cloning, so any scientists who wish to experiment legally, are welcome to come in and give it a try.

-Regards,

Commander-General Vlad Pryde
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My country supports cloning, so any scientists who wish to experiment legally, are welcome to come in and give it a try.

-Regards,

Commander-General Vlad Pryde
~=*****=~


I wonder, what if they were to clone you, have it escape, kill you, and take your position?

just a thought...

I am quite sure that I would be able to "gently persuade" them not to try such foolish actions in my country, on fear of death. That's the great thing about leading a military society: noone in your country wants to f**K with you.