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This act, if aproved by the member nations and regional delegates of the United Nations will set environmental standards, requirements, and restrictions which all member nations of the U.N. must abide by.

1) All corporations who cause pollution are required to clean up the pollution which they have caused and shall pay a fine of up to $1,000,000 depending on the situation and damage done.

2) All corporations who emmit dangerous pollutants and toxins are herby required to use whatever existing technology is avaliable to clean up the air they emmit and prevent further pollution.

3)The willing killing of an endangered species is prohibited. Any person(s) who are found guilty of the willing murder of an endangered species will be faced with a fine up to $5,000 per individual animal kiiled or up to 5 years in a federal or international prision.

4) The destruction, fragmenting, or pollution of any environmentally sensitive and/or threatened forest within a member nation of the U.N. is prohibited. Any person(s) charged with this act face a penalty of 5-15 years in a federal on international prision depending on the damage done.

5) Mining in threatened forests is banned. Those found guilty of this act face a penalty of up to $5,000 in fines or up to 3 years in a federal or international prision.

6) The use of pesticides in farming and food production is banned.

7) Any species which is on the brink of exstinction are to be kept in wildlife reserves until the threat of exstinction is gone.

This act needs support.

Good, idealistic proposal. Something that needs to be cleared up though:

Most nations don't use dollars as the currency. Some nations don't even have a currency. And if you are going to use a specific, real world currency, then specify it (you could be talking in terms of American dollars, or Australian, New Zealand, Hong Kong etc.).

The money they are fined would be in the currency the nation they are charged in uses, I'd suppose.

Just a reccomendation,you add 1 more act which is banning to hunt wild animal. Incosideration whether it's endangered or not.

How would I edit something I already submitted? :?

O.o u have submitted them? sorry then

If it doesn't get passed, then put up a draft on the board, where we can pick over it, make recommendations, spell-check etc. before you re-submit it.

If it does get aproved I can always make a new proposal proposing alterations to the act.

If it does get aproved I can always make a new proposal proposing alterations to the act.

Honourable representative of Sporkeric I note the current proposal you have before the regional delegates and I would like to make some comments for inclusion should the proposal not reach quorum.

[i]This act, if aproved by the member nations and regional delegates of the United Nations will set environmental standards, requirements, and restrictions which all member nations of the U.N. must abide by.

1) All corporations who cause pollution are required to clean up the pollution which they have caused and shall pay a fine of up to $1,000,000 depending on the situation and damage done.

2) All corporations who emmit dangerous pollutants and toxins are herby required to use whatever existing technology is avaliable to clean up the air they emmit and prevent further pollution.

The word corporations is too restrictive, if I were acting by the letter of the law it could be argued that smaller businesses or companies are exempt. I believe changing to wording to “any corporation, company, private enterprise, or legal body….”

Furthermore as previously identified USD is an RL currency. Perhaps stating that a percentage of their pre-tax profits would be fined would make more sense in the NS world. Lastly, if you propose an escalation scale for damage please provide one, alternatively provide a line stating nations can decide how environmental damage is assessed and fined.


3)The willing killing of an endangered species is prohibited. Any person(s) who are found guilty of the willing murder of an endangered species will be faced with a fine up to $5,000 per individual animal kiiled or up to 5 years in a federal or international prision.

The words federal prison, infers to RL America and I don’t believe there are any international prisons in the NS world, although I may not be correct on this. I believe it would be better to simply state custodial sentence. I do not agree that fining per animal would be any use since offenders would be able to calculate exactly how much damage they could do based on the financial wealth. The fact that one endangered animal was killed is enough I believe the level of fines can be administered in the same way as previously suggested.

4) The destruction, fragmenting, or pollution of any environmentally sensitive and/or threatened forest within a member nation of the U.N. is prohibited. Any person(s) charged with this act face a penalty of 5-15 years in a federal on international prision depending on the damage done.

5) Mining in threatened forests is banned. Those found guilty of this act face a penalty of up to $5,000 in fines or up to 3 years in a federal or international prision.

Forests are not the only environmental areas, which need to be protected. Under these articles you would not be allowed to pollute a protected forest, but a savannah or plain of natural beauty or scientific interest would be fair game. I suggest the word ‘forest’ is changed to area.

6) The use of pesticides in farming and food production is banned.

Pesticides are a very sensitive issue since and I don’t believe it should be the UN’s businesses to force organic farming on all member states. Agriculture policy is a local issue and governments should decide for themselves who they import or export their produce to based upon their own controls.

7) Any species which is on the brink of exstinction are to be kept in wildlife reserves until the threat of exstinction is gone.

Whilst a noble idea, in its current wording unworkable. Under the current wording all nations have to do is keep the species alive, that could mean ‘one of’ and in what conditions. If you want to include this article, I suggest “Any species on the brink of extension, will automatically be classified as an endangered species if not previously classified as such. Any such species must be protected and allowed to flourish in their normal habitat or area closely resembling their habitat...” or such like.

There are some good ideas in this proposal, but in its current form I am unable to support it and hope that we may continue this debate and see further drafts from the honourable member.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
HM Government of Telidia

This measure is too draconian by far, and will destroy industries and skyrocket unemployment in one fell swoop. Anyone who does not want to see their economies imploded should take a second look at this bill before supporting it.

There are of course in the Green Planet Act as well as other acts some flaws. If the act is aproved I promise I will create a 2nd act addressing the environmental issues left out and making ammendments to the original including the alteration of the last clause.

If this act does not pass by the U.N. I'd like to talk the issue over and create a 2nd and better draft.

This measure is too draconian by far, and will destroy industries and skyrocket unemployment in one fell swoop. Anyone who does not want to see their economies imploded should take a second look at this bill before supporting it.

Coporations can adjust.

The environmental is a highly important issue and the worlds environment shouldn't be sacrificed for the greedy needs of human.

I think its a good plan but we should change the penaties the more you break a rule the bigger the peanility is and mabe if they keep it up suspend the business operations but that measure should be used in extreme cases

Ex post facto may not ring a bell to some of you, but I know some nation's corporations might not like paying a fine for an act that they did when it was legal.

On another note, somewhat on this issue, the scientists at The Opal Isle Energy Research Center are in the developmental stages of an improved solar power technology which will increase the output and reliability of solar power plants. They call the technology SolarMech. The Allied States of Opal Isle, in an effort to keep our world healthy, would like to see a UN resolution passed requiring the implementation of SolarMech Power Stations (or other, clean, renewable energy sources) to supply their electricity. After the large scale power version is perfected, it will only be a matter of time before it can be implemented for cars, and all sorts of other devices.

Ex post facto may not ring a bell to some of you, but I know some nation's corporations might not like paying a fine for an act that they did when it was legal.

well mabe we don't want to suffer from their pollution ever think of that? You have to spend money to make money and thats how my country works.

Ex post facto may not ring a bell to some of you, but I know some nation's corporations might not like paying a fine for an act that they did when it was legal.

well mabe we don't want to suffer from their pollution ever think of that? You have to spend money to make money and thats how my country works.

Indeed, you don't want to suffer their pollution, neither do we, and yes, we clearly thought of that as we are developing Environment Friendly technology. Did you ever think of developing Environment Friendly Technology? The point is, up until the passage of this resolution, pollution was not a fineable crime. So, give a grace period (as it is unrealistic for industries to immediately change) of about 90 days or so, then if industries from that point foward are still polluting, then begin fining them. Additionally, where is the money collected from these fines going to? I would suggest it be used to form an international coalition of scientists to development and improve more environmental friendly methods of doing things.

well of course we would have to give them time to change but i still believe in peanilities and if they say pollute a river they have to pay for the clean up of that also. All of the money would go into a fund to research cleaner industry.

Take in mind they will be fined every time they pollute an area.

Take in mind they will be fined every time they pollute an area.

they wouldn't be fined for polluteing peroid they would be fined for excess of polluteing im sorry i for got to say that. There will be a limit on air pollution and water pollution will be banned same as ground pollution.

I understand fining them when they pollute, but the resolution (it may have changed, I just skimmed) states that the fine will apply to all industries who have ever polluted. That seems a little unfair as it's never been illegal. And never will be until the passage of this resolution.

I understand fining them when they pollute, but the resolution (it may have changed, I just skimmed) states that the fine will apply to all industries who have ever polluted. That seems a little unfair as it's never been illegal. And never will be until the passage of this resolution.

I beleive they should pay for all the pollution done and should be obligated to cleaning it up. It will send a message to corporations in the future. It may not have been internationally illegal (though some U.N. member nations might already have legislation on it) but the corporations understood fully what they were doing.

The way it looks right now this proposal may not make it through. I didn't put at much time and thought as I should of into this. Whether this passes or not we should begin working on the text of a 2nd Green Planet Act.

too bad for the business if it was once ok i mean new laws are passing all of the time outlawing what used to be fine to do some cases stupid laws. But this is a worthy cause so i say the copanies better brace themselves for fines if they think they want to pollute all they want.

OOC: Sporkeric, in my experience, it is best to tackel one minute thing at a time. Less to research, discuss, and perfect. If I remember, I will contact you as soon as SolarMech Tech is perfected and you can author, submit, and garner the support to pass a resolution requiring the implementation of environment friendly electricity generation, and SolarMech can provide this.