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Whereas the Abortion Rights resolution requires that no member nation’s government interfere with its women’s right to choose to have an abortion or not

Be it resolved to define ‘interfere’ as the following
-the outlawing of abortion during any trimester

Be it resolved that each member nation shall provide the following to its pregnant women free of charge

-prenatal care
-counseling
-6 months of postnatal care

Be it resolved that ‘woman’ shall be defined as every female at the age of eighteen (or the minority age limit + one of the member nation) and above. Member nations may restrict the use of abortions through legal measures for females under this age.

Be it resolved that all married women shall be required to inform their husbands of any and all potential abortions. Member nations will respect the decision of the mother, but will not discriminate against and/or leave out potential fathers opinions regarding their wives’ decision. If the fetus may be able to survive on its own (6months and over inside the womb) and the father wishes to keep the child and there is no risk of death or injury to the wife, a doctor shall remove the child from the womb without terminating it. If the child survives the mother shall give up all parental rights and the father shall have sole custody. If the child dies, the procedure performed will be seen as an abortion and there will be no legal recourse against the mother in any way shape or form. In the case of a marriage between two women, the same shall apply. If one of the partners is pregnant, then the other partner must be informed by law.

my problem is with this:

Member nations may restrict the use of abortions through legal measures for females under this age.

I Don't see the relevance of age - pregnancy of underage females occurs often and this would give governments the opportunity to prevent them choosing to have abortions...this should be more clearly phrased.

Secondly, I'd argue that dividing women between those above legal age and those below may act as a partial repeal, having repealed the phrase "all women"

In my nation, underage pregnancy is common. However, my nation abhores abortion. The polls state that 90% of my nation don't want abortion and I will honor them over this body.

Leave Abortion to the hands of the states not in the hands of a world body.

In my nation, underage pregnancy is common. However, my nation abhores abortion. The polls state that 90% of my nation don't want abortion and I will honor them over this body.

Leave Abortion to the hands of the states not in the hands of a world body.

You don't listen do you? tough luck - IT IS LEGAL!

now stop crying about it and live with it. Or leave the UN.

In my nation, underage pregnancy is common. However, my nation abhores abortion. The polls state that 90% of my nation don't want abortion and I will honor them over this body.

Leave Abortion to the hands of the states not in the hands of a world body.

You don't listen do you? tough luck - IT IS LEGAL!

now stop crying about it and live with it. Or leave the UN.

Not in my nation its not. I've ignored this resolution and I have the full support of my nation in this regard. In fact, I congratulated several teens for giving birth and their families are proud that Abortion is still illegal. And besides, you can't enforce these resolutions. There is no way for you to do so. Just what the compliance ministry says one thing, you can easily say another. As such, I'm following my Congress not the UN over Abortion.

Not in my nation its not.

Yes IT IS! Is it that difficult for you to understand? It's game mechanics. You are in the UN therefore you accept it. I don't care what your imaginary nation says, it's in the rules.

And besides, you can't enforce these resolutions.

I don't need to - the changes are made to your nation automatically - you get that message from compliance ministry and there you go, it's all done. It doesn't need to be enforced. It happens and it stays that way till you leave the UN. You can try and pretend you are doing different, but the changes are made and you cannot do a single thing about it. You can say you are doing what your government says, but it makes no difference to the reality of the situation. It's done, it's adjusted your nation and you cannot do anything about it. You might as well try and turn water into wine, because you'll have more chance of managing that.

Now shut up and stop being an idiot.

So I'm a UN member. Now what?
The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)

from http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68349

Not in my nation its not.

Yes IT IS! Is it that difficult for you to understand? It's game mechanics. You are in the UN therefore you accept it. I don't care what your imaginary nation says, it's in the rules.

And besides, you can't enforce these resolutions.

I don't need to - the changes are made to your nation automatically - you get that message from compliance ministry and there you go, it's all done. It doesn't need to be enforced. It happens and it stays that way till you leave the UN. You can try and pretend you are doing different, but the changes are made and you cannot do a single thing about it. You can say you are doing what your government says, but it makes no difference to the reality of the situation. It's done, it's adjusted your nation and you cannot do anything about it. You might as well try and turn water into wine, because you'll have more chance of managing that.

Now shut up and stop being an idiot.

Kiss my imperial ass! I will not follow this resolution. Already executed two doctors for even applying for the right to do so. My nation has already decided against this and I will not go against their will otherwise, I'll face another damned Civil War. I am not ignore the will of my people and that will you son of a bitch, dictates that I keep abortion illegal and that is what I plan on doing. If you don't like that good sir, then I dare you to attack me. I'm always ready for war.

To borrow a quote from my favorite song Iraq and Roll "Pray for peace prepare for war"

I do know the rules but that resolution violates my constitution! Since it does, I'm ignoring it. Take it or leave it. If you don't like it then declare war on me! I'll be glad to kick your ass.

Hirota regarding "all women"...No I am not looking to repeal this portion of the resolution. Instead, I am looking to define it.
In my nation 18 makes you a man or woman. In other parts of the world it may be older or younger.

I'm making it legal to restrict abortions for "non-women" as defined by this resolution and left un-defined in the previous resolution. I think the Mods will decide if this is repealing the first resolution. However, my intent was to word it in such a way as to not repeal the previous legislation.

Cornelieu...i agree that abortion should be left to the states, however, as a member of the UN vis a vis the passage of the abortion rights issue this is no longer the case.

Hence, I am proposing this resolution to keep whatever freedom we do have left so that subsequent resolutions do not build on this resolution.

I actually think that if the MODS see no mechanical problem with it that i may just cut out everything and keep the part where nations are allowed to restrict underage abortions as well as enforcing the disclosure to spouses of pregnant women.

Sorry, i'm not buying it. The majority of pregnancies are under the age of 18! As such, I can ignore the abortion resolution since I've inacted my own laws stating they have to be over 18 to get one. Hell, the docs have already reported that no one is taking them up on abortion so, I can ignore this resolution and I have.

I don't need to go to war to be proven right. I just need to refer to all the previous examples of people who were as stupid as you and assumed they could ignore the resolution, and see how well they fared. None of them won. There have been plenty like you before, and there will be again. It's one of the more obvious examples of how the human race has such poor excuses for "intelligence" within NS.

You are not ignoring the resolution, you don't have the opportunity to do so as a member of the UN. It's in the rules, which cannot be changed and were accepted by you when you applied. If you don't like it, leave the UN. It would do the organisation a world of good, and you'd be happy in your little dream world.

Like I said, you are fooling yourself if you think you can ignore resolutions and remain in the UN - which sounds pretty consistent with how stupid you sound based upon your comments thus far.

I do know the rules but that resolution violates my constitution! Since it does, I'm ignoring it.

No, you are not. You are simply ignoring the reality of the situation. You are simply being stupid and idiotic. I don't need to go to war with you and have some more imaginary pretend arguements - I deal in the mechanics of the situation, boy, and I certainly see no reason to go to war with someone who also fails to realise war does not exist within NS.

You really have your head in the clouds don't you?

UN takes precidence over anything you can do. That's it.

Tell me, have you always been this stupid, or is it a recent development? I've heard that being dropped on your head when young can have this kind of effect on people - you do seem to demonstrate all the characteristics of someone who may have experienced the impact of floor to head at a young age...

Shall I say it again? I'm sure with someone like you it has to be explained, very slowly and using very small words which you MIGHT be able to understand...eventually.

Go on then "invade" me. I.G.N.O.R.E cannons work wonders against such efforts you know...

Hirota regarding "all women"...No I am not looking to repeal this portion of the resolution. Instead, I am looking to define it.
In my nation 18 makes you a man or woman. In other parts of the world it may be older or younger.

I was simply expressing a concern regarding this proposal - it MIGHT need to be looked at more closely.

Otherwise....it's alright, although I doubt it would reach quorum.

Read my post in the abortion backlash thread. That is my deterant against the so call abortion issue!

Ecopoeia's Speaker for t'Pub, Sam Smith, walks up to the Hirotan delegate and hands him a cool, refreshing pint of St Sam's Extra Smooth Malt Stout and an alarmingly large reefer in the hope that he may cool down a little. He grins cheesily at the asembled delegates.

"Couldn't we all just........... get along?"

Hirota regarding "all women"...No I am not looking to repeal this portion of the resolution. Instead, I am looking to define it.

Amendment resolutions are also against the rules and will at best get you warned, at worst, get you ejected from the UN.

Let me refer you to here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77286) in which ex-mod Enodia lays out the following:

7. Repeals and Amendments
This is mentioned in the Game Mechanics section, but since people keep doing it I'm making it more emphasised - you may NOT submit proposals that seek to repeal or amend earlier resolutions.

<--- not a mod.

This is not an amendment....which would be a change...

dictionary definition of 'amendment'

The act of changing for the better; improvement: “Society may sometimes show signs of repentance and amendment” (George G. Coulton).
A correction or alteration, as in a manuscript.

This is neither and alteration, change, nor correction. It is seeking to actually define something not in the original.

...However, seeing as this bill received very very very I mean very little support and was done by me pretty 'off the cuff'...i'll let it die.

...also there seems to be a resolution that is more expansive than the one i drew up which has much more support.

Sweet Jesus, Corneliu! :roll:

Sincerely,
Greater Zognor Ministry of Sweet Jesus

In my nation, underage pregnancy is common. However, my nation abhores abortion. The polls state that 90% of my nation don't want abortion and I will honor them over this body.

Leave Abortion to the hands of the states not in the hands of a world body.

You don't listen do you? tough luck - IT IS LEGAL!

now stop crying about it and live with it. Or leave the UN.

Not in my nation its not. I've ignored this resolution and I have the full support of my nation in this regard. In fact, I congratulated several teens for giving birth and their families are proud that Abortion is still illegal. And besides, you can't enforce these resolutions. There is no way for you to do so. Just what the compliance ministry says one thing, you can easily say another. As such, I'm following my Congress not the UN over Abortion.

Not in my nation its not.

Yes IT IS! Is it that difficult for you to understand? It's game mechanics. You are in the UN therefore you accept it. I don't care what your imaginary nation says, it's in the rules.

And besides, you can't enforce these resolutions.

I don't need to - the changes are made to your nation automatically - you get that message from compliance ministry and there you go, it's all done. It doesn't need to be enforced. It happens and it stays that way till you leave the UN. You can try and pretend you are doing different, but the changes are made and you cannot do a single thing about it. You can say you are doing what your government says, but it makes no difference to the reality of the situation. It's done, it's adjusted your nation and you cannot do anything about it. You might as well try and turn water into wine, because you'll have more chance of managing that.

Now shut up and stop being an idiot.

So now people are being called idiots for expressing their opinions? And yet we apparently do not have the right to voice our opinions and oppositions to your argument? Are you holier than us? Do you have a commission from God to say, "Silence, heathen. My mind is made up; let us not be confused with further facts?" We all have a right to express our opinions.

For God's sake, we can at least protest.

In my nation, underage pregnancy is common. However, my nation abhores abortion. The polls state that 90% of my nation don't want abortion and I will honor them over this body.

Leave Abortion to the hands of the states not in the hands of a world body.

You don't listen do you? tough luck - IT IS LEGAL!

now stop crying about it and live with it. Or leave the UN.

Not in my nation its not. I've ignored this resolution and I have the full support of my nation in this regard. In fact, I congratulated several teens for giving birth and their families are proud that Abortion is still illegal. And besides, you can't enforce these resolutions. There is no way for you to do so. Just what the compliance ministry says one thing, you can easily say another. As such, I'm following my Congress not the UN over Abortion.

Not in my nation its not.

Yes IT IS! Is it that difficult for you to understand? It's game mechanics. You are in the UN therefore you accept it. I don't care what your imaginary nation says, it's in the rules.

And besides, you can't enforce these resolutions.

I don't need to - the changes are made to your nation automatically - you get that message from compliance ministry and there you go, it's all done. It doesn't need to be enforced. It happens and it stays that way till you leave the UN. You can try and pretend you are doing different, but the changes are made and you cannot do a single thing about it. You can say you are doing what your government says, but it makes no difference to the reality of the situation. It's done, it's adjusted your nation and you cannot do anything about it. You might as well try and turn water into wine, because you'll have more chance of managing that.

Now shut up and stop being an idiot.

So now people are being called idiots for expressing their opinions? And yet we apparently do not have the right to voice our opinions and oppositions to your argument? Are you holier than us? Do you have a commission from God to say, "Silence, heathen. My mind is made up; let us not be confused with further facts?" We all have a right to express our opinions.

For God's sake, we can at least protest.

In my nation, underage pregnancy is common. However, my nation abhores abortion. The polls state that 90% of my nation don't want abortion and I will honor them over this body.

Leave Abortion to the hands of the states not in the hands of a world body.

You don't listen do you? tough luck - IT IS LEGAL!

now stop crying about it and live with it. Or leave the UN.

Not in my nation its not. I've ignored this resolution and I have the full support of my nation in this regard. In fact, I congratulated several teens for giving birth and their families are proud that Abortion is still illegal. And besides, you can't enforce these resolutions. There is no way for you to do so. Just what the compliance ministry says one thing, you can easily say another. As such, I'm following my Congress not the UN over Abortion.

Not in my nation its not.

Yes IT IS! Is it that difficult for you to understand? It's game mechanics. You are in the UN therefore you accept it. I don't care what your imaginary nation says, it's in the rules.

And besides, you can't enforce these resolutions.

I don't need to - the changes are made to your nation automatically - you get that message from compliance ministry and there you go, it's all done. It doesn't need to be enforced. It happens and it stays that way till you leave the UN. You can try and pretend you are doing different, but the changes are made and you cannot do a single thing about it. You can say you are doing what your government says, but it makes no difference to the reality of the situation. It's done, it's adjusted your nation and you cannot do anything about it. You might as well try and turn water into wine, because you'll have more chance of managing that.

Now shut up and stop being an idiot.

So now people are being called idiots for expressing their opinions? And yet we apparently do not have the right to voice our opinions and oppositions to your argument? Are you holier than us? Do you have a commission from God to say, "Silence, heathen. My mind is made up; let us not be confused with further facts?" We all have a right to express our opinions.

For God's sake, we can at least protest.

In my nation, underage pregnancy is common. However, my nation abhores abortion. The polls state that 90% of my nation don't want abortion and I will honor them over this body.

Leave Abortion to the hands of the states not in the hands of a world body.

You don't listen do you? tough luck - IT IS LEGAL!

now stop crying about it and live with it. Or leave the UN.

Not in my nation its not. I've ignored this resolution and I have the full support of my nation in this regard. In fact, I congratulated several teens for giving birth and their families are proud that Abortion is still illegal. And besides, you can't enforce these resolutions. There is no way for you to do so. Just what the compliance ministry says one thing, you can easily say another. As such, I'm following my Congress not the UN over Abortion.

Not in my nation its not.

Yes IT IS! Is it that difficult for you to understand? It's game mechanics. You are in the UN therefore you accept it. I don't care what your imaginary nation says, it's in the rules.

And besides, you can't enforce these resolutions.

I don't need to - the changes are made to your nation automatically - you get that message from compliance ministry and there you go, it's all done. It doesn't need to be enforced. It happens and it stays that way till you leave the UN. You can try and pretend you are doing different, but the changes are made and you cannot do a single thing about it. You can say you are doing what your government says, but it makes no difference to the reality of the situation. It's done, it's adjusted your nation and you cannot do anything about it. You might as well try and turn water into wine, because you'll have more chance of managing that.

Now shut up and stop being an idiot.

So now people are being called idiots for expressing their opinions? And yet we apparently do not have the right to voice our opinions and oppositions to your argument? Are you holier than us? Do you have a commission from God to say, "Silence, heathen. My mind is made up; let us not be confused with further facts?" We all have a right to express our opinions.

For God's sake, we can at least protest.