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TO: ALL CHRISTIAN NATIONS AND ANYONE ELSE OFFENDED BY THE RECENT TWISTED ACTIONS OF THE U.N.



Let's boycott the twisted U.N. in protest! Leave the U.N. now! :P

I'm a Christian, and I never joined the UN to begin with :-D

:Sits back:
"This should be interesting"

I'm not in the UN. (If it is anything like the RL UN, I don't want to) What is the big deal/what did they do this time?

A Christian boycott of the UN could only improve the UN.

A Christian boycott of the UN could only improve the UN.Now now now, not all christians are idiots, for instance I'm confirmed and baptized (Did it for scholarship money), but I'm that one vote for option 2 ^_^. Now, if all christians named their country stupid stuff like the original poster, then yeah, boycott all you want, I'll be passing legilation replaces the cruxifix with "F-off Jesu"

*grins evily and plots*

Finally... the non-Christian UN nations can write and pass resolutions that will reflect poorly on Christian nations!

*detecting sarcasm*

In all seriousness, I consider myself christian (though i border on agnostic). But, if the best reason you can come up with for disagreeing with something is "God says its bad." I just have to ask, "When did you talk to god last, and can you get me his email, I need to ask him what he thinks about all the shit that gets pulled off in his name."

:looks at poll:
Alright, non-brainwashed christians are winning!!!

Funny how you all complain about leaving the UN. Heh, ain't so easy to be a UN Delegate and leave ya know. So stop b****ing about *nah nah me no likey UN nah nah nah* Oh shut up! You damn well knew what you were getting. Besides, that Public Domain thing, it improved my economy to Powerhouse. But then I did a stupid descision agh. Anyway, stop whining you idiots, and yes I'm a Christian, a Catholic actually. I just like playing with as a lefty nation is all. Agh, it kills me -.- get out of the kitchen if it's two hot for ya.

UN Representative:
Alexei Otavich

Funny how you all complain about leaving the UN. Heh, ain't so easy to be a UN Delegate and leave ya know. So stop b****ing about *nah nah me no likey UN nah nah nah* Oh shut up! You damn well knew what you were getting. Besides, that Public Domain thing, it improved my economy to Powerhouse. But then I did a stupid descision agh. Anyway, stop whining you idiots, and yes I'm a Christian, a Catholic actually. I just like playing with as a lefty nation is all. Agh, it kills me -.- get out of the kitchen if it's two hot for ya.

UN Representative:
Alexei Otavich

I'm ticked off that all the good resolutions that the UN passed before I joined aren't affecting me ;-; (seriously, have you noticed how many anti-deforestation resolutions are, thats why)

I am a Christian, I am also a UN member, because the only way to change the UN is to change it from within by remaining a member.

Bob Flibble
UN Rep.
Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

I'm not in the UN. (If it is anything like the RL UN, I don't want to) What is the big deal/what did they do this time?

The UN passed a poorly worded resolution requiring members to legalize abortion.

I am not a Christian, though I consider myself a spiritual person. But, I refuse to let my country stick its head in the sand because politicians are... well, human, complete with all fraities, limits of visison, and virtues implies.

Minister Mar Darneka
Ambassador to the UN
The Most Serene Republic of Daryn

Putting aside my, not very publicised, being atheist ...

* Ducks behind podium, several sharp flying objects just missing ...

:wink:

For a moment, might I add, the "Christians" are more then welcome to leave the U.N. and stay out.

But please, let it be on the condition they refrain from posting here too. If I see one more "Christian" posting on how "evil" the U.N. is and how it should be "changed" ...

* Yes, completely ignoring game rules, mechanics, and reality itself. Ha, but what new ? ... "A-Dinosaurs, cough, splutter, hack, choke, sneeze ... "

:wink:

In a fashion, which would, strangely enough force their ambitions and agenda through, and only theirs ...

I might just do some-one an injury.

:D

- T.R. Kom
Le Représentant de Komokom.
Ministre Régional de Substance.
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/komokom.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/24401/page=display_nation)
<- Not A Moderator, Just A Know It All.
" Clowns To The Left of Me ... Jokers To The Right, Here I am ... "

I am a christian (my nation isn't, though), a socialist, and in the UN.

TO: ALL CHRISTIAN NATIONS AND ANYONE ELSE OFFENDED BY THE RECENT TWISTED ACTIONS OF THE U.N.



Let's boycott the twisted U.N. in protest! Leave the U.N. now! :P

OOC: You can practice this "boycott", but the UN still will exist. You cannot alter game mechanics!

The most you will do is have a few nations leave the UN. Overall, i think it's a waste of time if you're actually sick of the UN OOC.

The only person you can talk to about this is administrator@nationstates.net (I believe that's his email account) .

But if you're just doing this IC, then that's cool. But the UN will still not go away.

As a christian...i don't understand the posters request. As a christian or not you could leave this UN for a multitude of reasons.

Jesus asked, "What is harder to do: heal a man(before your very eyes) or forgive a man his sins?"

I'll ask something similar "What is harder to do: stay in the UN and fight for ideals or leave?"

TO: ALL CHRISTIAN NATIONS AND ANYONE ELSE OFFENDED BY THE RECENT TWISTED ACTIONS OF THE U.N.



Let's boycott the twisted U.N. in protest! Leave the U.N. now! :P

I assume the honourable member is referring the recently passed abortion resolution. I’d like to point out however, that ‘Christians’ are not all of the same faith and certainly not every Christian faith is opposed to abortion.

When requesting blanket support such as this, please take a moment to consider that just because a nation is Christian, it does not necessarily turn them in to a sheep.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
HM Government of Teldia

1) You cannot alter game mechanics.
2) Stop b***ing and get a life.
3) This is a game
4) If the majority agrees, then it is PASSED, no questions asked.
5) Most Christians seem to want to stay in the UN, your little 'boycott' is not going to work.
6) SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY! I don't want to see these pointless post telling Christians to abandon the UN because YOU are welcome to LEAVE! YES YOU ARE! It will be gladly appreciated! The UN won't have complainers like you anymore!

1) You cannot alter game mechanics.
2) Stop b***ing and get a life.
3) This is a game
4) If the majority agrees, then it is PASSED, no questions asked.
5) Most Christians seem to want to stay in the UN, your little 'boycott' is not going to work.
6) SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY! I don't want to see these pointless post telling Christians to abandon the UN because YOU are welcome to LEAVE! YES YOU ARE! It will be gladly appreciated! The UN won't have complainers like you anymore!

1) You cannot alter game mechanics.
2) Stop b***ing and get a life.
3) This is a game
4) If the majority agrees, then it is PASSED, no questions asked.
5) Most Christians seem to want to stay in the UN, your little 'boycott' is not going to work.
6) SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY! I don't want to see these pointless post telling Christians to abandon the UN because YOU are welcome to LEAVE! YES YOU ARE! It will be gladly appreciated! The UN won't have complainers like you anymore!

1) You cannot alter game mechanics.
2) Stop b***ing and get a life.
3) This is a game
4) If the majority agrees, then it is PASSED, no questions asked.
5) Most Christians seem to want to stay in the UN, your little 'boycott' is not going to work.
6) SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY! I don't want to see these pointless post telling Christians to abandon the UN because YOU are welcome to LEAVE! YES YOU ARE! It will be gladly appreciated! The UN won't have complainers like you anymore!

I’d like to point out however, that ‘Christians’ are not all of the same faith and certainly not every Christian faith is opposed to abortion.

And what kind of Christian believes abortion is not wrong? I've never met one.

Aren't there also other belief systems that are also opposed to abortion? When it comes down to it, a stance on abortion has more to do with whether one believes that abortion destroys a living child, or merely an unwanted part of a pregnant woman, and less to do with religion.

Vistadin, once gets your point across. Twice is annoying. More than that only decreases your legitimacy as well as the respect you have from others.

Just my two cents.

Nations troubled by the actions and agenda of the U.N. are encouraged to join the International Congress (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=152436).

I’d like to point out however, that ‘Christians’ are not all of the same faith and certainly not every Christian faith is opposed to abortion.

I would respectfully like to point out that all Christians believe that Christ died on the cross to take away their sins and alloed them to begin a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Some religions that are grouped with Christianity such as Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and in my opinion most Catholics are not Christians. Mormons deny the Godhood of Jesus and say that you can become a god yourself. Jehovah Witnesses also deny the Godhood of Jesus and do not recognize him as God. Catholics include Mary as the Virgin Mary and have, through tradition included her with Jesus, in fact I believe that Catholics even pray to Mary. Christians are united under the common belief that Jesus died and rose again to free us from sin. (look up the Nicean Creed if you are really interested (by the way, in the creed Catholic means holy or united in the contest))
Now that we all understand that there is only one Christian faith, we should understand the ten commandments. You shall not murder. Abortion is murder. Christians are opposed to murder. Therefore Christians are opposed to abortion.
-Bahamut
Dragonic Chancellor of UltimateEnd

I apologise if I was redundant due to Carnauba's previous post

How do these issues affect you, Christians? Whether a woman gets an abortion or a gay couple decides to marry, it doesn't have anything to do with you. If you are against abortion, THEN DON'T HAVE ONE!! If you don't like gay people and don't think they should marry, then don't attend their wedding. I think that when these people want to force their beliefs on others then they are no better than Hitler. (I am just addressing the puritanical Christians, and not the more liberal type). As you could tell when the resolution was passed, the majority of people feel that abortion should be legal, so just go back to your little corner and let the rest of the human species evolve morally and intellectually.

NOT all Christians are opposed to abortion. SOME Christians think for themselves, and don't "believe" something just because their religion tells them to.

There ARE Christians who believe that an unborn child is not yet a living being until it has reached the third trimester. In that sense, it isn't murder. Just because you believe one way doesn't mean that everyone does.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but please do not generalize your beliefs onto others who might share a common "Christian" ground.


The President of the Democratic Republic of Mom-topia

Tell me why Christians shouldn't join or should leave the UN.

NOT all Christians are opposed to abortion. SOME Christians think for themselves, and don't "believe" something just because their religion tells them to.


Then again there are alot Christians who think for themselves and still come to the same conclusions as their religion.

Bob Flibble
UN Rep. Rogue Nation of Flibbleites
Regional Delegate of Final Fantasy

And what kind of Christian believes abortion is not wrong? I've never met one.

Thank Ned Des left me file of paperwork telling me how to deal with comments like this…

…We therefore believe that abortion is an evil… And that abortion on demand would be a very great evil. But we also believe that to withhold compassion is a evil, and in circumstances of extreme distress or need, a very great evil… Christians need to face frankly the fact that in an imperfect world the 'right' choice is sometimes the lesser of two evils.

It is right to consider the whole environment within which the mother is living or likely to live. This will include the children for whom she is already responsible and there will be occasions when she is unable to add particular responsibilities she is already carrying. Again there are social conditions… particularly those connected with bad housing and family poverty… It is clear that abortion is often sought as a response to these and similarly intolerable situations. In the particular circumstances indicated in this statement abortion is often morally justifiable.

Are they not Christians?

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588) ~ What can the UN do and what can it do for me? (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588)

I am a Christian, but I am not leaving the UN. As Flibbleites stated, The only way to change the UN, (not to mention fight the resolutions we disagree with) is to remain a member.

How do these issues affect you, Christians? Whether a woman gets an abortion or a gay couple decides to marry, it doesn't have anything to do with you. If you are against abortion, THEN DON'T HAVE ONE!! If you don't like gay people and don't think they should marry, then don't attend their wedding. I think that when these people want to force their beliefs on others then they are no better than Hitler. (I am just addressing the puritanical Christians, and not the more liberal type). As you could tell when the resolution was passed, the majority of people feel that abortion should be legal, so just go back to your little corner and let the rest of the human species evolve morally and intellectually.

Do you believe rape is wrong? Assuming that you do, answer me this. You are against rape. Therefore, you do not rape anyone. But one day, you see a young woman being raped. Instead of rushing in to stop the rapist, you turn away, thinking "it doesnt have anything to do with me...and besides, if i force my belief against rape on that rapist, I am no better than Hitler."
As much as you cannot turn away from the young woman, Christians cannot turn away from abortion being legalized.

I am a Christian, but my aim, is not to leave or boycott, the UN, but to change it from the inside.

NationStates Political Alliance

1. Any nation with conservative views, a proposal worth submission, or who is genuinely concerned about the UN, may join.

2. The alliance’s goal is to have 150 delegates in it.

3. Delegates would be divided into 25 groups.
A. Each group would have 7 delegates in it.
B. One delegate would be “over” the 25.
C. The purpose of this arrangement would be to make the task of telegramming delegates easier.
D. These would be elected by members to one month terms.

3. Members would send in any proposals they have submitted to
the UN to the top delegate.
A. He would send it to the 25 “under” him.
B. They would send it to the 7 each under them.
C. These 151 would approve the proposal.
D. The delegates would inform their endorsees of the proposal.

4. The delegates by entering the alliance, agree to consider the
proposal in an unbiased manner.
A. Any proposal would be accepted to be sent to these delegates.
B. Stupid or ridiculous proposals would be rejected.
C. Liberal proposals such as “Abortion Rights” would be rejected.
D. If delegates simply felt that they could not approve it in good conscience, they would not have to.

5. This organization’s goals are:
A. To get member proposals to vote in the UN.
B. To get conservative resolutions passed.
C. To fight liberal resolutions that hurt our world.


If you are interested please telegram me.

*sits back and waits for the flaming to begin*

I am a Christian, but my aim, is not to leave or boycott, the UN, but to change it from the inside.

NationStates Political Alliance

1. Any nation with conservative views, a proposal worth submission, or who is genuinely concerned about the UN, may join.

2. The alliance’s goal is to have 150 delegates in it.

3. Delegates would be divided into 25 groups.
A. Each group would have 7 delegates in it.
B. One delegate would be “over” the 25.
C. The purpose of this arrangement would be to make the task of telegramming delegates easier.
D. These would be elected by members to one month terms.

3. Members would send in any proposals they have submitted to
the UN to the top delegate.
A. He would send it to the 25 “under” him.
B. They would send it to the 7 each under them.
C. These 151 would approve the proposal.
D. The delegates would inform their endorsees of the proposal.

4. The delegates by entering the alliance, agree to consider the
proposal in an unbiased manner.
A. Any proposal would be accepted to be sent to these delegates.
B. Stupid or ridiculous proposals would be rejected.
C. Liberal proposals such as “Abortion Rights” would be rejected.
D. If delegates simply felt that they could not approve it in good conscience, they would not have to.

5. This organization’s goals are:
A. To get member proposals to vote in the UN.
B. To get conservative resolutions passed.
C. To fight liberal resolutions that hurt our world.


If you are interested please telegram me.

*sits back and waits for the flaming to begin*

I am a Catholic, but have not left the UN as of yet. I have considered my options but have concluded to take a more diplomatic course and try to pass a proposal that states that no nations have the right to interfer with the releigious doctrine of the Governments of these Countries, and no coutnry must abide by any law that offends the religous beleif of that country, If that fails, I am out of here,
-Capo

Leylsh:

There is a clear distinction between a woman, man or child being raped or murdered, and forcing an ideology that comes from some book. It is sad that you don't see that. The beliefs that you want to forced upon others are beliefs that have no consequence on other LIVING human beings, whereas the raping of an individual does. Whether it be gay marriage or aborting a developing FETUS, no other person in the world has the right to tell you that it is wrong and you cannot do it. Until that fetus has developed to the stage where it could survive away from the mother, then it can be considered a human being. That whole rapist example is completely irrelevant to the whole situation. Try again!

Leylsh:

There is a clear distinction between a woman, man or child being raped or murdered, and forcing an ideology that comes from some book. It is sad that you don't see that. The beliefs that you want to forced upon others are beliefs that have no consequence on other LIVING human beings, whereas the raping of an individual does.

Abortion has great consequences on "LIVING" human beings, especially on the mother. I quote,
"Evidence of post-abortion trauma is increasingly attested to by psychologists, counselors and those involved in post-abortion ministry. We now know, for example, that women hurt by abortion may have some or many of the following symptoms:
Low self-esteem
Grief (mild to profound)
Depression (sometimes to the point of suicidal thoughts and attempts)
A sense of alienation from family and friends
A feeling of being 'numb,' not able to feel joy from activities that used to be pleasurable
Isolating self from others to avoid discussing the abortion experience with them
Guilt and shame
Difficulty concentrating
Anger toward self, or the child's father, or others involved in the abortion decision
Sleep disorders
Abortion-related nightmares, flashbacks or even sounds of a baby crying
Alcohol and drug problems, to dull the sorrow
Desire for a 'replacement' baby
Anniversary reactions of grief or depression on the date of the abortion or the baby's expected due date
Problems bonding with her other children (being over-protective but emotionally distant)
Fear that God will punish her, or is punishing her
Some, especially young girls, experience symptoms soon after the abortion. Counselors tell us, however, that it is more common for the symptoms to occur over the course of five to twelve years after the abortion before a woman seeks help.
Abortion's aftermath is largely ignored by the general public. Groups organized to protect the availability of abortion claim that abortion is no different from any surgical procedure and that pro-life groups are fabricating the existence of post-abortion suffering. Consequently, many women think that their grief reactions are somehow abnormal and believe that there is nowhere to turn for help."

This was from http://www.hopeafterabortion.com/aboaft.html

I know this debate is not about abortion, so i will leave it at that. However, I am not forcing some "idealogy" on anyone, simply defending my beliefs and trying to help others whom I see being hurt...like helping a person being raped.

First off, I am a Christian. I've been going to church since, well, ever.

I agree with all you Christians, that abortion is wrong, all that fun stuff. BUT, by boycotting the UN just makes it worse!! Don't you see that when you leave, that's one less Christian vote saying, "No! This is wrong!"??

Just because you don't win all the time doesn't mean you give up! What would happen if Jesus gave up? He didn't win everybody over on his first try!!! If he just quit and left, WE'D ALL BE SCREWED!!!

So, instead of leaving the UN, and being all dumb, re-join, let your voice be heard, but don't force people. Not everyone is going to see our way of thinking, just like we're not going to see their's.

God Bless!

Funny.... Vistadin, the newly created nation who delivered that so beautiful atrocity to the UN by giveing mothers the right to murder their own children.

Also, Swaden, Christ calls us to be salt and light. (Matthew 5-13-16)
How can we influence the world for Him if we are not in it?
Capture the culture brotha.

Peace and Love in faith to all who love our Lord,
- Cefwyn, a humble servant of Adonai

Well, we get a vote in the topic, and we say that not everyone is the same and has the right to do what they want in the situation. I've left Christianity, but only because my thoughts and beliefs have evolved. Everyone changes. We have to give them breathing space. And, I will not leave the UN. E.g. - minor deformations = no abortion = no questions asked, just because someone might only have one hand or might have a correctable deformation doesn't mean one goes killing them - there is a limit to sensibility, and what happened to no discriminating in the world? How would someone with only one hand like to be discriminated against in that way? People have too much freedom. Remember this saying: No one is perfect. (remember that saying, and it'll surely help you. Trust me. It will.)

Leylsh:

There is a clear distinction between a woman, man or child being raped or murdered, and forcing an ideology that comes from some book. It is sad that you don't see that. The beliefs that you want to forced upon others are beliefs that have no consequence on other LIVING human beings, whereas the raping of an individual does. Whether it be gay marriage or aborting a developing FETUS, no other person in the world has the right to tell you that it is wrong and you cannot do it. Until that fetus has developed to the stage where it could survive away from the mother, then it can be considered a human being.

This is great support for my claim that a stance on abortion has more to do with a personal belief as to whether or not a "fetus" is alive than religious affiliation. No matter what your faith, a basic code of morality will tell you that terminating a living person is wrong and throwing away something that was never alive is okay. I just have a problem putting a potential child on the same level as a potted plant that no one wants.

I know this has been said before, BUT A BOYCOTT WON'T DO ANYTHING. If you leave, no one is going to cry, or be sad or ask for you back. Furthemore, pshcological affects are a moot point. It is, ultimately, the woman's choice to get an abortion, and counseling is offered, both post and pre-abortion, in most cases. Abortion being murder is a matter of opinion which can't be proved or disproved, and if a woman considers it murder, would she get an abortion? Not likely. Finally, I highly doubt that the position on abortion of the Christian Church is because of what they feel is murder. Think about a much more plausible reason. I'm not here to forc you to like abortion, but you are gong to have to live with it, in game and in real life.

TO: ALL CHRISTIAN NATIONS AND ANYONE ELSE OFFENDED BY THE RECENT TWISTED ACTIONS OF THE U.N.



Let's boycott the twisted U.N. in protest! Leave the U.N. now! :P

I'm STAYING to protest. Try that. :)

I am a Christian, I am also a UN member, because the only way to change the UN is to change it from within by remaining a member.

On this we agree with Bob Flibble 100%.

Cordially,
Richard Held
Secretary of Homeland Counter-Insurgency
The United States of America the American
Mighty Capitalist Superpower™