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The reason that resolutions like banning nuclear proliferation don't pass, is because there are too many nations counting themselves as "political freedoms/civil freedoms: outlawed" in the UN.

The UN must set the standards for the world, and it should set high standards, not scum of the planet standards.

BAN ALL DICTATORSHIPS FROM THE UN.

Ah yes, lets add even MORE disgruntled, anti-UN dictatorships to the non-member bloc.

Read the stickies, and learn how to come up with only a half-moronic proposal.

Most of the reason that alot of us HAVE low Political Freedom's is direct impact upon our national soveriegnty (like the Abortion Resolution)... my Political freedoms went from superb to below average because of that resolution ALONE. When you pass a resolution countrary to the wants of the people it'll do that. Your argument is out of ignorance. Course, most liberals are ignorant of issues. You won the last one, you've done your damage... we're not going to let you destroy us with this one. So just shut your pie-hole....


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Ah yes, lets add even MORE disgruntled, anti-UN dictatorships to the non-member bloc.

Who cares?

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Most of the reason that alot of us HAVE low Political Freedom's is direct impact upon our national soveriegnty (like the Abortion Resolution)

No, the reason your political freedoms falled is because you didn't choose the right option when the issues came up.

No, the reason your political freedoms falled is because you didn't choose the right option when the issues came up.


No... Because of the Abortion Resolution..... the morning of the implementation I was supurb, right after the resolution altered my stats it was below average. The anti-abortion laws of my nation was a result of the will of the people.... after the resoltion my people lost more political freedoms since the resolution dictated a view that was contrary to their will.
[OOC: The view of your nation does not start the same for everyone, it is dependant upon the questions you are asked when you set it up. At setup I was a "Capitalist Bordello" and average in all catagories. I climbed to a "Corporate Bordello" with Supurb political freedoms and excellent civil rights...... The resolution directly impacted civil rights (which dropped to average and Political Freedoms which dropped to below average... The only thing uneffected was the Economy... which luckily has remained in a steady climb. These resolutions do have direct impact on your nations stats you know, and they don't effect every nation the same either, it depends on what your nation is as to the impact. capitalists and centrists primarily are "internally" oriented, so resolutions that have direct impact upon their internal proceedings will effect them more then socialist nations and the whole lot of humanists.]


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("Those who desire peace, prepare for war.")

Nintu:

It is not the job of the UN to dictate how another country is run.

We can not choose their levels of political freedoms, we can not choose their civil rights. We can not and should not then decide to exclude who we allow into the UN because we dont like their choices in government.

The job of the UN is to offer laws that affect people on a global scale. The UN's positions should only involve things that affect everyone; things like terrorism, prisoner treatment, rules of war, ect ect.

Dictatorship only affects the UN, when said leader attempts to conquer on a large scale. Otherwise, it is the job of a countries citizens to revolt against their government.

No, the reason your political freedoms falled is because you didn't choose the right option when the issues came up.

Normally I sit back and laugh at these kinds of arguments, but I feel the need to comment here and remind Nintu that there is no "right" way to play Nationstates. You play your nation however you like (and in fact some people do play very creative dictatorships in the Nationstates and International Incidents forums). There is no "right" or "wrong" choice, only the player's choice, which affects their country.

People can play however they like, that's the beauty of this game.

Provided they obey the rules and respect how the game works, :wink:

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BAN ALL DICTATORSHIPS FROM THE UN.


That'll work, but, oh, what of those 'dictatorships of the majority'? I look upon many UN Resolutions and cringe, thanking God the real UN doesn't have this sort of tyrannical power. I look on quotes like this:

"No, the reason your political freedoms falled is because you didn't choose the right option when the issues came up."

and wonder, what is the 'right option'? Who determines what is right or wrong? I personally am pro-life, against abortion, against capital punishment, against Euthanasia, for a living wage, for policies that enhance the general quality of life. Who can tell me what is the 'right' option?

Maybe they were pointing out "right" over "left", but then again, that would actually be a nice change compared to the usual "right" over "wrong" as you point out, :wink:

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I'm a left leaning college state, and even I oppose this proposal.

I don't have a problem with dictatorships - after all, the populace HAS TO have some say in the running of the country thanks to prevous resolutions.

The idea that there are nations in the UN which provide no voice for the people is inaccurate and has not been investigated.

OOC:

What you are requesting is impossible since it will require a change in game mechanics. Any nation can join the UN regardless of their political stance or views.

IC
The government of Telidia is unable to support this proposal since every nation should have a voice in this body. It would be wholly irresponsible of us to ban nations simply because our political views differ. It is this diversity that allows the UN to be truly reflective of all views across the world.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
HM Government of Telidia

The UN must set the standards for the world, and it should set high standards, not scum of the planet standards.

BAN ALL DICTATORSHIPS FROM THE UN.

Nations may not be ejected from the United Nations for any reason other than violations of NationStates rules. This proposal is illegal under Nationstates rules; Do NOT submit it to the UN.

iLock.

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