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"Victims of Communism
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights Strength: Significant Proposed by: Mattavutu
Description:
Whereas the Communist systems of the world sought (and in some cases continue to seek) the subjugation individual free will and indenity to serve the needs of a corrupt collectivist state

Whereas the denial of the rights of private property and to transact freely on the open market have led to a denial of political rights and the deprivation wherever the communist system has reigned

Whereas all aspects of life from early education to civil society have been dominated by the propaganda and manipulative whims of a single Party bent on the accumulation of power at the expense of individualsm, free thought, and human rights


Whereas over 100 million have died from communist oppression

Whereas we have many times rightfully commemorated the victims of Nazi opression and sought to expose the horrors of Nazism.

and Whereas many millions throught out the world are ignorant of the history of Communism and the widespread suffering it inflicted on those it pretended to liberate,

BE IT RESOLVED, the this UN with funding from ALL member sates shall erect a memorial and museum to commemorate the victims of Communist oppression and fund a mass education campaign to educate people on communist attrocities from Stalin's purges and the Gulag Archipelago, to Mao's Red Guards and the present day horros being perpetuated from Havana and Pyongyang and thus help preserve individual freedom throught the world by seeing to it that history never forgets the horror of 1917-1991.


Voting Ends: Wed Jun 9 2004"

currently you find it on page 15.

We found this proposal and we think it deserves support since communism has caused more horrors and damage to countries and the world than any other ideology, even more than Nazism (well: it lasted shorter - but communism (e.g. Stalinism, Maoism, Pol Pot) was at least almost as bad as national socialism, fascism)).
Therefore we think that the victims deserve respect as well and deserve to be honoured. The crimes of communism shall not be forgoten to prevent the repetition of it.
We urge you to support the proposal.

Sincerely yours

Marc Smith, president of Kybernetia, regional delegate of Futura

OOC:

BE IT RESOLVED, the this UN with funding from ALL member sates shall erect a memorial and museum to commemorate the victims of Communist oppression and fund a mass education campaign to educate people on communist attrocities from Stalin's purges and the Gulag Archipelago, to Mao's Red Guards and the present day horros being perpetuated from Havana and Pyongyang and thus help preserve individual freedom throught the world by seeing to it that history never forgets the horror of 1917-1991.



Real World Alert! Real World Alert!

I'd be careful arguing this - there have been several countries that have communsm as their system of government, without the accompanying corruption and abuse that you have cited.

This is because communism has never truly existed in the Real World. The Soviet Union, Cuba, China and the other 'communist' states have never acheived full communism. Pure communism does not have a state or a government.

How about first stopping capitalism opression?

@TBlack,

"Real World Alert! Real World Alert!"
Come on: most proposals have to do with the real world. Women rights, gay rights, disarmament, abortion, trade issues, social issues, e.g.
So: what´s your problem.

Sincerely yours

Marc Smith, president of Kybernetia

Not another Communism vs. Capitalism thread. These things go on for ages and no one ever wins.

How about we just stop oppression in general?

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588)

@TBlack,

"Real World Alert! Real World Alert!"
Come on: most proposals have to do with the real world. Women rights, gay rights, disarmament, abortion, trade issues, social issues, e.g.
So: what´s your problem.

Sincerely yours

Marc Smith, president of Kybernetia
You are using quite specific information which depends upon the real world. Many of the countries you mention do not exist within the NS world, therefore they cannot be used as evidence.

Hmmm....as a Communist myself, I feel somewhat insulted by this statement. After all, not ALL Communist nations are evil - in fact, Communism is quite a good idea, but ended up being tossed around by maddened rogue leaders. I think what you're complaining about is Sovietism (i.e cruel, Machiavellian Socialism) rather than normal "friendly" Communism (i.e a Benovolent Utopian Socialism).

Nonetheless - yes, victims of Communism should be commemorated. But don't be too blinded by the evils of Communism so that you can't see the evils of Capitalism either.

@TBlack,

"Real World Alert! Real World Alert!"
Come on: most proposals have to do with the real world. Women rights, gay rights, disarmament, abortion, trade issues, social issues, e.g.
So: what´s your problem.

They're talking about characters and events from the real world, not issues.

I'd be careful arguing this - there have been several countries that have communsm as their system of government, without the accompanying corruption and abuse that you have cited.

This is because communism has never truly existed in the Real World. The Soviet Union, Cuba, China and the other 'communist' states have never acheived full communism. Pure communism does not have a state or a government.

Right on, someone who has read Marx!

@TBlack,

"Real World Alert! Real World Alert!"
Come on: most proposals have to do with the real world. Women rights, gay rights, disarmament, abortion, trade issues, social issues, e.g.
So: what´s your problem.

They're talking about characters and events from the real world, not issues.

What they said.

OOC It's against the rules. I'd quote from the appropriate sticky but I can't be bothered. it’s the one called 'Before you make a proposal…" /OOC

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588)

I'd be careful arguing this - there have been several countries that have communsm as their system of government, without the accompanying corruption and abuse that you have cited.

This is because communism has never truly existed in the Real World. The Soviet Union, Cuba, China and the other 'communist' states have never acheived full communism. Pure communism does not have a state or a government.

Right on, someone who has read Marx!
Haven't actually read it, but I try to pick up things as I go along.

Stalin, Mao, Kim Il-Sung et al never existed in NationStates.
This is a real-world based proposal, hence I have forwarded it to a Game Mod for deletion.


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