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Hi all,

This is my proposal:
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Category: Social Justice Strength: Significant Proposed by: Anittas
Description: Many women around the world are abused and discriminated. Some goverments are ignorant about the abuse and rarely take action.

UN should make sure that all females get equal opportunities as men. UN should make sure all goverments take action on crimes commited against women.

The UN should also invest a reasonble amount of money each year, to educate those women that are in the worst position in their society.

This applies to third world countries - where some women never learned how to read - and to I-countries, where many women are forced into a lifestyle they do not desire -- being housewifes for example.

Having educated people and equality in your society, equals prosperity -- both economically and socially!

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Thanks.

UN should make sure all goverments take action on crimes commited against women.
But it's fine if they don't take action on crimes against men? :roll: ;)

This is a good idea, but there is something beneficial we could do for everyone in developing countries as well. Have equal pay. Despite the fact that there are civil rights laws that allow women the same choices as men, businesses ignore this in the end and give men better pay than women. Perhaps we should address this?

All of those two things are covered by the term, 'equality', which refers to equality between sexes.

All of those two things are covered by the term, 'equality', which refers to equality between sexes.
The term 'equality' is never used in any of the operative clauses of the proposal.
UN should make sure that all females get equal opportunities as men.
(ok, so it says 'equal' there, but it only applies to that sentence)
UN should make sure all goverments take action on crimes commited against women.
(never says anything about equality, just women)
The UN should also invest a reasonble amount of money each year, to educate those women that are in the worst position in their society.
(but what about the the men who are in the worst position in their society?)
The second and third quoted sentences create a form of discrimination - taking action to help women while not doing anything to help men who may need the help just as much or more.

I hate saying this, as I believe in freedom of women, but within the confines of this game... isn't this a national issue at heart? I mean, certain religions (however wrong we may think them to be) do see women as lesser and who are we to dictate that to be "illegal?"

The title of the proposal mentions 'equality'. Indeed, I didn't include the word in every sentence, since I thought people would get tired of reading it all over the place.

I could have given much more details, but since this is a game and there are many proposals, I wanted to write a short and direct proposal, so that people wouldn't get bored reading a long proposal.

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Commerce says: (but what about the the men who are in the worst position in their society?) The second and third quoted sentences create a form of discrimination - taking action to help women while not doing anything to help men who may need the help just as much or more.
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Good point, except that it wouldn't be discrimination. Maybe favoritism. If the men had applied for the same aid and the UN would have turned it down on the bases that they are men, then it would qualify as discrimination.

But the simple point was to say that UN should create a special fond to fight the abuse problems that women have to go through and to educate them.

When it comes to men; men may live hard lives, but hardly because they are men. It could be because of poverty or social problems. Poverty is a somehow different topic.

For now, I'm trying to concentrare on this topic only.

Religion should be relevant only to religious people. If the women does not wish to submit, she shouldn't have to. If she wants to submit, then UN won't stand in her way.

I feel I should mention that Daryn is a recovering matriarchy. If such a proposal is drafted, I would request that all language be gender-neutral -- the women in our country need very little UN help in suceeding. Remember, we live in a very diverse world.

Minister Mar Darenka, Daryn

I hate saying this, as I believe in freedom of women, but within the confines of this game... isn't this a national issue at heart? I mean, certain religions (however wrong we may think them to be) do see women as lesser and who are we to dictate that to be "illegal?"

The UN?

Equal rights to women

When you propose it, make sure you change 'to' to 'for', as some delegates are rather sensitive about bad grammar, especially in proposal titles...

That reminds me of a certain resolution that inadvertantly put an incredible amount of power in one country's hands, simply because of a miss-placed apostrophe...

Really? What resolution was it? :D

Yeah, I should have double checked the title :P I can't seem to edit my proposal, so maybe the mods can.

And Daryn, I'm not exactly sure what you mean.

And Daryn, I'm not exactly sure what you mean.

He's saying that conceivably female-dominated socities can exist, in which case the men would be demanding 'equal rights for men'. He'd prefer a proposal that emphased equality between the genders without being written from just one viewpoint. Well, I assume that's what he means, I can't speak for him obviously.

He's saying that conceivably female-dominated socities can exist, in which case the men would be demanding 'equal rights for men'. He'd prefer a proposal that emphased equality between the genders without being written from just one viewpoint. Well, I assume that's what he means, I can't speak for him obviously.

If that is what he means I agree with him.

Desdemona,
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And Daryn, I'm not exactly sure what you mean.

He's saying that conceivably female-dominated socities can exist, in which case the men would be demanding 'equal rights for men'. He'd prefer a proposal that emphased equality between the genders without being written from just one viewpoint. Well, I assume that's what he means, I can't speak for him obviously.

Another possibility is that he saw 'equal rights to women' as 'equal rights to get a woman', meaning all men (and women whom are so inclined) should have equal opportunity to own/court/have sex with/whatever all women. :p

Equal rights for women, means just that. I have no idea how some people come to the conclusion that I desire women to be pre-dominant in the society.

Maybe you guys here think that I am a female, thus a feminist. Anittas is a male name. It was a Hittite king that was namned Anittas. I'm not female, so I'm not some crazy, preaching feminist that wants to be a man.

Anyway, I can't seem to find my proposal. Last time I looked, it had 49 endorsements. Was it deleted?

Is it because of that simple grammar error, where I put 'to', instead of 'for'?

sexism is not a serious problem nowadays. There is sexism both ways, how many times do men hear that they're useless and that they have no feelings and all that they're interested in is getting in a womans pants. Men have respect for women, ever herd of the expression, "ladies first?". Theres plenty of respect for women around nowadays, probably more so than men, so if nething, this should be about men. You sound like a feminist ewho takes things too seriously to me. Wake up

Just after my post, where I clearly stated that I am not a feminist, All Theocracies comes up with his genius theory about me being a feminist.

I think you are the one who needs to wake up. You say that women are more respected than men? What do you base that on? Your family, city or country?

I believe it was the Red Cross that released a report, saying that 1/3 women in the world are abused at least once in their life.

If you are an American, I am not surprised that you think everything is about USA.

Do you know for instance, that in countries like Sudan, women are forced to circumcise their clitoris, so that they may not gain pleasure from sex?

In SaudiArabia, women are not allowed to have a driving license, or go out without a male companion.

In other countries from the Middle East, women who are raped, are for the most times, killed by their relatives to regain the honour of their family. Same thing if they fall in love with the wrong guy. Sometimes, they throw acid on their face, to mutilate them forever.

Or parts of Eastern Europe, where there are problems with so called human traficking, where women are kidnapped and forced into prostitution -- they are also forced to take drugs so that they get addicted to them.

Or in countries like Iran, where a women who violates some Shia law -- could be anything from talking to men, to being unfaithful -- is stoned to death, and their kids are forced to watch her die slowly?

What about these women? Or did you think that I only refered to the Baptist housewives from Alabama? I think you are the one who needs to wake up and realise that the problem exists everywhere and not just in the examples I've just given to you.

I still can't find my proposal. I assume that it has been deleted. Can an official tell me why it was deleted? It was a somehow popular proposal. In just three days, I got 49 endorsements, so not everyone were negative about the proposal, as people have been in this thread.

I think you are the one who needs to wake up and realise that the problem exists everywhere and not just in the examples I've just given to you.

OOC: You can't use real world examples in The UN.