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On behalf of my distinguish neighbour Parroting (of the region Futura) I ask you to support the following proposal:

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The enpowerment of business
A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.


Category: Free Trade Strength: Strong Proposed by: Parroting
Description:
1) All businesses would be exempt from any international trading restrictions, tarifs or additional taxes.

2) No striking is allowed without the government's approval, and Trade Unions are illegal. Only individuals can apply for government approval to strike.

3) All Businesses are exempt from taxes for the first 5 years of existence.

4) At least one fifth of all seats in a parliament must be occupied by representatives from businesses

This proposal will enhance the economic conditions of all peoples, without which democracy and freedoms are pointless. It will also increase international trading and thus improve relations between countries. Remember that unemployment only arises because business corporations aren't big enough to provide jobs. This will benefit the workers, the countries and the world."



Sincerely yours

Marc Smith, president of Kybernetia, regional delegate of Futura

Tekania will need some deliberation time on this one... Presently the government of the Republic is funded completely by import tarifs, having no income tax. President Williamson will need to spend some time talking to the Secretary of the Treasury before submitting the idea to the congress for more deliberation and voting.

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"Qui Desiderant Pacem Preparate Bellum"
("Those who desire peace, prepare for war.")

The Council of Enn took precisely three minutes to discuss this proposal. No, the Council cannot support it. This would require creating private businesses, something the Council has long worked towards the eradication of. Aside from that, this would require a change to the basic makeup of the Council itself, which has not changed for quite some time.

It didn't take too long here either.....

The President, and Secretary of the Treasury have presented the idea to the legislature. After 15 minutes of deliberation they submitted their findings to President Williamson....

From the office of the President of the Republic of Tekania....

" After discussion and time on this proposal. The legislature, Secretary of the Treasurey Secretary of the Interior, and I have come to the following conlusions about the points in this resolution in conjunction with our laws, beliefs, and constitution.

1. On the first point. We could probably reinstitute a relatively low income tax, and remove our tarifs, and thereby compensate for the loss of income from our high tarif policies.

2. Within the scope of "Free-Market" economics, as provided in the laws and constitution of this Republic, we cannot concur or side with this proposal. The Republic believes in marginal interference in the market, and has no provisions, nor rights granting power to it to make trade-unions illegal, in fact the right of the workers to form unions is an essential right drafted into our constitution. Since we cannot regulate business, it is left up to the exercised rights of the trade-unions to keep the business on the right track as far as workers concerns. Also, we are unable to support even the idea of making strikes illegal, as the right of our people to peacefully assemble in protest (which is a form of strike) is protected by our constitution, and we have no authority or power to legislate on it.

3. Within the scope of this, presently. We have no income tax, and therefore this is non-applicable, and we would not have a problem with it.

4. This one makes no sense, as in our republic, and indeed most democratic systems, the legislatures are a product of election... This would assume that the system be changed to appointment. As this is against the principles of democratic and republican principles. We find it a constitutional violation on our level. And a violation of Article 3 of the Rights and Duties of U.N. Nations.

We do not concur with your conclusion. The successfullness of Tekania's industries is incredible, and was able to get there through means other than the one's proposed in this proposal.

It is therefore the determination of the Republic, the Combined Congress, and her President to condemn the idea of this proposal and voting against it should it come up. And have heretofore notified our U.N. Embassadore of where he is to vote on this proposal."

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Official Seal of the President
"Qui Desiderant Pacem Preparate Bellum"
("Those who desire peace, prepare for war.")

While we are in favor of free trade, I must agree with my esteemed counterpart from Tekania. Most of Daryn's civilian government posts are filled by elected offcials, including our legislative branch. If the people decide they want businesspeople in government, it will be so. If they want engineers, or priests, or artists, it will also be so. Daryn will not force the people to limit their choices to busines people for a number of seats.

Minister Mar Darenka, Daryn

Trade Unions are illegal


1. All nations must recognize unions formed for the purpose of collective representation of workers.
2. All nations must take appropriate steps to ensure the ability of unions to engage in industrial actions, and must appoint unbiased mediators to resolve disputes if a strike continues for 60 days or more.
3. Unions shall have the right to establish and join federations and confederations of labor unions, both nationally and internationally.
4. Unions and their national and international organizations shall be free from interference by the public authorities when drawing up their constitutions and rules, electing their representatives, organizing their administration and activities, and formulating their programs.
5. Workers shall enjoy adequate protection against acts of anti-union discrimination in respect of their employment, both at the time of entering employment and during the employment relationship.
6. In exercising the rights provided for in this resolution workers and their respective organizations, like other persons or organized collectivities, shall respect the laws of their nations.
7. National laws shall not be made to impair the guarantees provided for in this resolution. Laws that contradict these guarantees shall not be created or enforced.

At least one fifth of all seats in a parliament must be occupied by representatives from businesses

Article 1 § Every UN Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government.

OOC: The game can't effect how governments are run only what laws the implement.

IC: You do not have my support.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588)

Quote:
The UN is the world's governing body. It proposes and votes on resolutions, which are then binding on all member nations. In other words, it's a hot-bed of political intrigue and double-dealing.

@Desdemona,

distinguish colleague, you shouldn´t forget the rule of the UN.
Quote:
"The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)
Since the rise of civilization (November 13, 2002), the members of the United Nations have been working tirelessly to improve the standard of the world. That, or trying to force other nations to be more like them. But that's just semantics."

Bye the way: it is not our proposal: it is the proposal of my distinguish colleague Parroting. We are not agreeing in all points: for example we are against interfering in markets - due to that we would not ban unions.
The current proposals regarding unions are irrelevant since they have not passed. However we are not in support banning unions.
We put this topic her on behalf of our esteemed colleague Parroting. The proposal is controversial and needs to be rewritten. I´ ve told Parroting that and recommed him writing a proposal regarding free-trade only.
However: we cannot see that the proposal was in any form in violation of game mechanics and rules. It was in compliance with it.

Bye the way Desdemona: You are a member of the UN, meaning that you have given up some souvereignity. You rejected all nations protests when they felt their national souvereignity infringed by the UN. Now you can´t claim that for yourself since you reject others the right to do so.

Sincerely yours

Marc Smith, president of Kybernetia

Article 1 § Every UN Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government.


By the wording, a forced change of governmental form isn't allowed.... The concept of creating appointments into legislatures is a change of form, since it is alien to Democratic and Republican forms of government.

Secondly, since "citizen rule" hands election to citizenry, EVERY gov't in the U.N. would be in a lose-lose situation and unable to perform their duties without breaking one resolution or the other.... It's a paradoxal problem.

Also, some nations do not HAVE private enterprise in the first place (communists and hard-socialists).

The last point, to really top it off, makes no sense in the first place, private enterprise is run by private citizens. So the representatives in the legislatures are just as much representatives of the business owners as the non-business owners.

My recommendation, remove points 2 and 4..... drop tarifs, and give them the tax break. Not that I'm all that fond of that, given that my nation is run completely off tarifs.

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"Qui Desiderant Pacem Preparate Bellum"
("Those who desire peace, prepare for war.")

distinguish colleague, you shouldn´t forget the rule of the UN.
Quote:
"The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)
Since the rise of civilization (November 13, 2002), the members of the United Nations have been working tirelessly to improve the standard of the world. That, or trying to force other nations to be more like them. But that's just semantics."

You seam to have forgotten these two rules
However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)
(emphasis mine)

7. Repeals and Amendments
This is mentioned in the Game Mechanics section, but since people keep doing it I'm making it more emphasised - you may NOT submit proposals that seek to repeal or amend earlier resolutions.
You can't repeal yet although I'm assured someone is working on it.

This proposal seeks to go against what has already been said in other proposals so it is not legal. However I'm not a mod and I could be wrong.

Bye the way Desdemona: You are a member of the UN, meaning that you have given up some souvereignity. You rejected all nations protests when they felt their national souvereignity infringed by the UN. Now you can´t claim that for yourself since you reject others the right to do so.

I have brought up this point several times in the past week and since becoming a member I have constantly defended a nations right to control what type of government it has. The UN can only control what a government does by giving it laws to uphold, it can not dictate what type of government you can have.

OOC: I'm lead to believe this is because Nation States can't record how your government works so the UN will not be able to enforce such a proposal. It is important to note the 'Rights and Duties' didn't give us new rules, just defined the ones we have.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588)

The enpowerment of business
A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Parroting
Description:
1) All businesses would be exempt from any international trading restrictions, tarifs or additional taxes.

2) No striking is allowed without the government's approval, and Trade Unions are illegal. Only individuals can apply for government approval to strike.

3) All Businesses are exempt from taxes for the first 5 years of existence.

4) At least one fifth of all seats in a parliament must be occupied by representatives from businesses

This proposal will enhance the economic conditions of all peoples, without which democracy and freedoms are pointless. It will also increase international trading and thus improve relations between countries. Remember that unemployment only arises because business corporations aren't big enough to provide jobs. This will benefit the workers, the countries and the world.

We love the spirit of this proposal. We support this bill, despite a few minor qualms - such as the misspelling of "empowerment" in the title, some concern about whether some of this constitutes intrusion into national sovereignty (ultimately, we believe it does not, but this issue should be more adequately addressed by the author), and some question about whether it repeals the act on labor union rights (we believe it does not, but this should be clarified by the author).

Cordially,
Richard Held
Secretary of Homeland Counter-Insurgency
The United States of America the American
Mighty Capitalist Superpower™

This proposal is major B.S.! Once again the almighty dollar triumphs over basic human rights. :tantrum: No right to strike?! or have trade unions?!
So I guess with this proposal no one would have the right to protest, defend thier salary/hourly interests, recieve quality healthcare through the corporation, have sick leave / vacation...etc..etc. Sure this is speculative, but given the nature of corporations and humans with "the power" you can bet on them taking advantage of this to the point of employment slavery. Hey w/o these rights why spend money on employees at all if you can get away w/ it and save the company $$ I'm sure this will be capitalized upon. The Confederation of Polish Warriors would like to not just say no but HELL MF'N NAW!!! IF THIS ACTUALLY PASSES I might just have to throw in the towel w/ the U.N. But we do have great faith in thier judement and we know they will not even allow this to become a votable resolution.

Sincerely,
The Confederation of Polish Warriors