NationStates Jolt Archive

Stop the Intrusive and Vague Abortion Bill!

America the American
03-06-2004, 17:10
Now, we at The United States of America the American, Mighty Capitalist Superpower™ are quite against abortion. In fact, it is illegal in our nation.

But that is not why we appeal to you, our fellow nations in the UN, to vote against the abortion bill today.

We appeal to you all to reject this bill for several reasons other than our particular national dislike of the murder of the unborn. We appeal to you with three fundamental objections, based on simple principles of international politics.

1.) "Get your laws off my nation!"

The domestic laws of other nations are their own business. This should be obvious. It is called national sovereignty.

If some nation in the UN wants to make murder legal, then fine! Let them! But don't force their law onto _every_ UN nation. That is what this bill does - it takes the legal codification of the moral standards of the most liberal nations in the UN and forces those regulations on the rest of the world. Sovereignty is vital, and if the UN intrudes into national sovereignty too far, this body will no longer be an international forum for independent nation states, but the UN will itself become one giant Super State, with the laws of all individual UN nations replaced by UN Law.

The UN should exist for international purposes, and should not interfere in the domestic affaris and arrangements within nations. For example, it should facilitate international trade, set the protocols on international shipping, decide on whether international environmental regulations are necessary, set rules of war, defend member nations against foreign aggression, combat international terrorism, and deal with other such issues that extend beyond the borders of one or a few nations, and as such are truly international issues.

If you want to legalize abortion in your nation, the UN should not stop you. Nor should the UN stop you if you want to ban abortion in your nation. Nor should the UN interfere if you want some policy in between these extremes.

2.) It is vague.

This bill asserts that women must be allowed to have abortions, but it doesn't even explain whether this means that every UN nation must provide abortions free of charge, which is a common pro-abortion demand but not made explicit here. One could argue either way, that the bill forces UN nations to allow women to legally have abortions but not to pay for them, or one could argue that by not providing them free of charge, the nation is "preventing" poor women from access to abortions.

That is just the beginning. The bill is so vague, so non-specific, and leaves so many glaring issues unaddressed, that it is totally useless.

3.) It is unenforceable.

If this legislation is passed, The United States of America the American, Mighty Capitalist Superpower™ will not change its culture or its history in one day. It would require a permanent armed occupation by UN troops to force our nation to accept this insult to our laws, our traditions, our morality, our ethics, and our God.

If this is passed, it would have to be enforced by sending invading armies into a sizeable minority of UN nations like ours who will not voluntarily adopt this foreign law. The UN simply does not command enough military force to occupy such a large minority of its member nations permanently.

Even if the UN forces us to comply by invading our country, or threatens us with expulsion from the UN for failure to comply, it will still not work. The administrative staffers who must be hired by the occupation forces will have to be drawn from the ranks of trained administrators in our nation, who will remain America the Americans, and thus will fight implementation of this legislation with intentional bureaucratic inefficiency, work slowdowns, "losing" paperwork, and various other means of sabotage from within. America the American doctors will not perform the murders asked of them, any more than they would perform dangerous experiments on unwilling victims at the behest of invading Nazis.

Even if the UN imports doctors and administrators to carry out the abortions following an invasion, or following our reluctant and bureacratically inefficient implementation following threatened expulsion from the UN, your invading army of abortionists will face massive popular resistance, ranging from crowds of people surrounding and blocking access to abortion clinics with their bodies, to widespread guerilla warfare against the foreign abortion army.

We have had to deal with this sort of chaos ever since the narrow passage of the UN-mandated 40 Hour Work Week bill. Employees are working illegally, under the table, in order to evade this absurd legislation, because they need work and employers cannot profitably pay them the mandated overtime rate. Some of our nation's most industrious workers insist on working more than the UN mandated 80 hour maximum - they continue to work under the table. Our businesses ignore the requirements, as there is no penalty included in the 40 Hour Work Week bill for breaking them. Our government administrators do not enforce the hated law, always having more pressing business to attend to.

When UN labor inspectors come by, everyone makes an effort to make things look "in order," but as soon as they are gone, it is back to normal for The United States of America the American, Mighty Capitalist Superpower™. Some UN labor inspectors have even disappeared, rumored to have been kidnapped or murdered by extreme right paramilitary groups or organized crime hired by employers (though, since the UN inspectors are unionized bureaucrats, the most inefficient and lazy members of the human species, it is just as likely that they are busy getting drunk on the UN dime). Ultimately, all these shenanigans just introduce a ridiculous and unpopular layer of bureaucracy and inefficiency to our entire economy.

For these three reasons, (1) national sovereignty, (2) vagueness, and (3) the impossibility of effective implementation, whether your nation supports or prevents abortion within its own borders, all responsible and reasonable UN nations and regional delegates MUST OPPOSE THE ABORTION ACT.

Richard Held
Secretary of Homeland Counter-Insurgency
The United States of America the American
Mighty Capitalist Superpower™
03-06-2004, 17:40
CAVEAT: (please read this one to the bottom before you assume I've chosen a side)

IC: Yew thar keep yer hands off'er my yung'uns! Er ol' Bessy here'll make shert work o'yew... yew get off'er mah property nah, yuh heah?

OOC: (1) Make murder legal? As far as I know, the UN is firmly against murder, otherwise they wouldn't protest wars, much moreso murder in one's own country.
Perhaps they should have worded the document better, like they should have worded...oh...I don't know...the bible better on the subject!
By the by, I'm not trying to hassle christians with this one - this isn't my intent - instead, merely to highlight discrepencies.
With regards to considering the bible, there are myriad sites, some suggesting that the bible is pro-life, whereas others - like this one - suggests otherwise.

(2) personally, I am a believer that it's the woman's choice whether she has an abortion or not. In an ideal society, both parents would take full responsibility for the child, however (a) (in extreme cases, such as rape/incest, or cases where the birth would kill the mother) this isn't always possible and (b) it's not an ideal society. Education on the subject isn't always paid attention to/heeded, even contraception isn't a failsafe.
I think that education on the subject should be the first and main defence. Education on the right time/s to embark on this sort of journey, metaphorically speaking, and, of course, education with regards to contraception. not the bill saying that merely the option be there for abortion? i.e. no-one's saying that it's the only form of birth control, or even indeed that birth control be used! Or did I miss something?

having said that , the bill would be nigh on impossible to enforce, and not everyone is of the same mindset as I am. Everyone has different beliefs, and thus I shouldn't force my beliefs on others. You'd have to continuously patrol areas that you think would have anti-abortion laws, and that seems like a colossal waste of time.
Besides, it is "sovereign law", is it not?

Make of the law what you will.
Tuesday Heights
03-06-2004, 17:51
The only reason I voted against this resolution is because of how vague it is. However, it'll most likely be passed, so, I guess it doesn't really matter.
03-06-2004, 17:54
The proposed Bill is outrageous. It clearly outlines the hypocracy of the majority of nationstates that are members of this Union. How can anyone who claims the "pro-choice" high ground support legislation that by it's very definition LIMITS CHOICE?!?

You are clearly only interested in promoting "choices" that support your own agendas, and your claim to desire "freedom" is nothing more than a sham. You wish to push your beliefs onto others as much as those you claim to be at odds with.

Shame on you.
03-06-2004, 17:54
The only reason I voted against this resolution is because of how vague it is. However, it'll most likely be passed, so, I guess it doesn't really matter.

Same hear. I have some nations in my region that are against abortion period, but for the most part the resolution's vagueness is what hurt it.
03-06-2004, 18:03
There is already a thread in which to discuss this resolution. (
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