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Nations against the UN legalization of homosexual "marr

Kitsune Island
31-05-2004, 06:26
...iages," including so-called "civil unions." (end title)

This topic is for nations such as the Constitutional Monarchy of Kitsune Island who, while being members of the United Nations, are in utmost defiance of the law passed legalizing homosexual "marriages" and "civil unions" in all member nations.

This nation's reason for the purposeful ignorance of the stated and irrational law is as follows, as noted in the messages of the Kitsune Island region:

On the 30th of May, Year of Our Lord 2004, the Constitutional Monarchy of Kitsune Island does hereby recognize that in technicalities enforced by the United Nations it must recognize a "right to gay 'marriages.'" However, it holds a firm opposition of the supposed "right" and also firmly discourages homosexual relations in general, thus purposely conflicting with the United Nations laws, as it doubts that there is a way that such ridiculousness can be truly enforced. Thus, Kitsune Island, upon formal briefing on the issue, hereby completely ignores the United Nations ruling and refuses to recognize "gay marriage" and "gay civil unions" ad infinitun. Kitsune Island will, however, continue its official position of granting equal civil rights under the law to homosexuals both past and present, making it illegal to discriminate against homosexuals in employing, socializing, educating, et al. As stated semi-informally by the Monarch himself, King Miles Attacca: "They do have equal civil rights. And if they want to have at it in the bedroom, so be it. But we're not going to recognize so-called 'gay marriages' or 'homosexual civil unions,' because Kitsune Island has always and will continue to promote its position that marriage is sacred between a male and a female. May any gays or lesbians who hear this pack up for an über-liberal country if they wish, and if the United Nations wants to argue about it they can talk to me over official channels."

This is also now supplemented by the following:

Another reason for the defiance by the Constitutional Monarchy of Kitsune Island of the United Nations resolution legalizing homosexual "marriages" and "civil unions" is as follows: Kitsune Island does not believe that the United Nations has the right to interfere with religiously-oriented laws such as those relating to "gay marriages," and that such decisions should not be decided by majority but by allowing majority and minority alike to decide their own policies for their own nations. It may also be noted that each religion in a member state should and MUST be allowed to practice its own beliefs including and especially relating to the issue of "gay marriages" as per the declaration of "separation of Church and State," prohibiting the government(s) to respect OR prosecutre/interfere with an establishment of religion. As stated by the monarch, King Miles Attacca: "The United Nations was formed to pass laws relating to international workings such as essential rights and internationalization codes; deciding a religious/areligious position is not part of the duty it was formed to do, and severely distracts from that main purpose."

If enough support is gained for this idea, Kitsune Island proposes enacting a United Nations resolution to bring the decisions over "gay marriage" issues back to individual nations and to make sure that the only decision the United Nations can make over the issue is over the right of homosexuals to escape segregation persecution, including persecution in the social and educational schemes.

Kitsune Island also hereby states that the reason it has not resigned altogether from the United Nations is that it still holds hope that it can make a point to the other member-States, including in this case through open defiance of a passed law leaving a great minority "in a lurch." Civil disobedience has been used as a method of protest in the past, and it undoubtedly will in the future.

(It must also be noted that it's 12:25 AM where the King currently resides and that if any of this is starting to sound like utter rubbish, it will be noticed and corrected after a duly deserved rest.)

(It must also be noted that an error occured in adding the poll to this topic, and that I'll have to figure out how to get the extra survey areas removed...O_O...in the meantime, please use the first and third options ONLY; thank you.)
Riversland
31-05-2004, 06:50
This is not really a UN issue but should be determined by individual nations.

What say we replace the word gay with Catholics. Those evil catholic should not married. :roll:

If approved will the UN move to make it illegal to be gay?
Kelssek
31-05-2004, 07:28
Sub-Dominant Modes
31-05-2004, 08:55
this would go against past resolutions.
Vivelon
31-05-2004, 18:00
if any of this is starting to sound like utter rubbish...

How about the entire thing? You can't repeal a resolution. If you don't like gay marriages, then:
A. You're a fundamentalist over-conservative bastard
and
B. Deal with it. Just secretly torture your gays or whatever greater of two evils you'd do to them.

+His royal highness:
Prince Tony of Vivelon
Unofficial UN Dead Horse beater (but only on ethics topics)
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Eutoria
31-05-2004, 18:50
The President of Eutoria agrees with Kitsune Island's monarch.
Statement:

Marriage is rooted deeply in the religious community. Certain nations are more influenced by religion than others. It is upsetting for those nations to have a set of morals which do not correctly adhere to the beliefs of the majority.
This law is simply turning the U.N into another Third Reich. The goal of the United Nations is to try to provide peace and prosperity for all peoples in all nations. There can be no peace when a majority is denied; in this case not only denied but force-fed resolutions which go against their very lifestyle.
Our republic is firmly against and will ignore any such proposal. This is not an issue of civil rights, this is an issue of civil opportunity. Homosexual peoples do not have the opportunity to marry in our nation because it is against the beliefs of the huge majority, including myself. Our nation does not practice slavery, our nation does not practice torture. We tolerate minorities, but we do not allow those minorities to run our government; nor do we intend to allow the U.N to.
It is on this note that I voice my support for government of Kitsune Island and follow their example. This isn't a question of homosexual rights as much as it is a question of sovereignty. That is still supported by the U.N, is it not?

I understand Eutoria is a very new nation to the U.N, but it is very discouraging to see such resolutions being passed. Most Eutorians are unified by their faith, and allowing such a proposal would not only go against it, but make them prone to take violent action to prevent it from happening; at least on the national scale. If anything, it only increases intolerance.
The Black New World
31-05-2004, 19:22
I hold in my hand advice from The Church of The Black New World guiding Christians on what to do if they are against gay marriage:
Don't get married to someone of the same sex!

And from myself; don't try to alter past resolutions.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588)
Tekania
01-06-2004, 01:45
The Republic of Tekania loopholed through the aforesaid UN Resolution on homosexual marriage, simply by the fact that the glorious republic does not have ANY marriage laws, as we recognize marriage within the pervue of Common Law (an institution which predates government, and thereby government has no authority over). All marriages in Tekania are handled contracturally between people/religious institutions/families, and disputes are handled the same as all other civil contractural suits. This completely eliminates the need for Tekania to make any stance on the position, as we personally feel ANY legistlation of marriage law, is ILLEGAL under the Common Law, and have declared the UN Resolution is illegal under the people's protected rights within the Common Law. Our glorious republic no more endoreses homosexual marriage then heterosexual marriage.
Of portugal
01-06-2004, 02:48
Ok all you have is rly two choices to A) refuse these immoral laws and end up getting kick out of the Un. or B) just quit the Un! And maybe vivelon we are not over conservative basterds as much as you are a over liberal one. And to the crazy dude who proposed the ban on Catholic marriages. Well this is not up to you to say because God instituted marriage and it is therefore above man and no goverment or organization can tell me otherwise. Marriage is notr up to the goverment.
The Lost Ways
01-06-2004, 09:42
We here in the Land of the Lost Ways simply don't understand this predicament. We simply let people and others(not everything sentient within our borders is necessarily human, or even humaniod) get married. If other groups(and believe me they do) in our nation don't like certain groups getting married they simply avoid them. Plus, the entire concept of "legalizing" marriage is completely and utterly foreign to us, how can you legalize the confirmation of love in a binding agreement? As for marriages of purely social standing and gain, the idea of limiting to certain groups only ensures those limited groups the benefits of those marriages, giving them unfair advantages and power. We find your ways silly, and what are these so called Catholics of which you speak strange one?

- Cath, spirit(yes an actual spirit) ambassador to the UN for the Land of the Lost Ways.
Kitsune Island
01-06-2004, 18:29
Kitsune Island
01-06-2004, 18:39
This proposal, if it passes, is a blatant violation of national soverignty. The UN was not created to dictate laws to it's memeber states.

Exactly my opinion. The UN was formed to help contain strife, not create it. Such major issues are best left to smaller organizations rather than a large beurocracy that more often than not leaves a sizeable minority out of the picture. We all know how inefficient beauocracies can be.

You cannot disobey any UN resolution. As long as you're in the UN, your country is forced to comply.


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Oh? How can they really force me? I still don't believe that rubbish that they can really punish me/my nation in any serious way.

if any of this is starting to sound like utter rubbish...

How about the entire thing? You can't repeal a resolution. If you don't like gay marriages, then:
A. You're a fundamentalist over-conservative bastard
and
B. Deal with it. Just secretly torture your gays or whatever greater of two evils you'd do to them.

+His royal highness:
Prince Tony of Vivelon
Unofficial UN Dead Horse beater (but only on ethics topics)
http://img71.photobucket.com/albums/v215/TonyS37/vivelon_flag.jpg
"An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind." ~Mahatma Gandhi

Oh, so I'm a fundamentalist over-conservative bastard, am I? Then you'd be, too, if you object that much to having an opinion stated.

I'm dealing with it by refusing to comply and by protesting.
The Black New World
01-06-2004, 19:47
Exactly my opinion. The UN was formed to help contain strife, not create it. Such major issues are best left to smaller organizations rather than a large beurocracy that more often than not leaves a sizeable minority out of the picture. We all know how inefficient beauocracies can be.

No it wasn't. Read the FAQ.

The purpose of the UN is to 'mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest.'

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588)