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Now that we have a 40 hour work week, lets not give up the fight!!! I have proposed a 35 hour work week resolution and hope everyone will support it!

Okanogan

1) :roll: Oh, its you again, :wink:

2) Hmmm, now, why do I have an odd feeling this will not pass ?

3) PASTE A BLOODY COPY HERE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

4) Ahem, if you so please in order to gain max effect here.

5) Going myself to find a copy now ...

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35 hour work week

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: The Okanogan

Description: After seeing that 40 hours has improved peoples lives, let us make progress and cut 5 hours from the work week.

I thought so, short, and, well, hardly sweet as far as I am concerned.

My Independant Analysis :

This proposal seems pointless, it proposes an act that is already protected by the "The 40 Hour Workweek" resolution.

1. The maximum standard full-time workweek shall be set at 40 hours.

Now, thats the 40 hour bit. And right after it,

Nations shall remain free to set their workweeks lower than this.

Ping !

I think I can safely say this proposal is with-out point. No offence, just looking objectively at the legality of it.

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Since adding/changing a passed resolution is prohibited, I'd say that alone is enough to make this idea invalid...

Err, that too. I should have got that one.

* ( Slaps self briskly across the face a few times to wake up )

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I was just about to say that… honest.

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why not 0 hr work week..its better . everybody juz laze around to wait to die.

Since adding/changing a passed resolution is prohibited, I'd say that alone is enough to make this idea invalid...I don't think that STRENGTHENING a past proposal is illegal.

I do not think it is, I think.

Errr, well, the point is, the point is moot, that is my point.

Okay, what I mean is, this does not even strengthen the "The 40 Hour Workweek" work-week proposal. It in fact seems to seek to do nothing but echo it with a proposal that is in fact already legislated as possible, but the actual wording of it, as in cutting the max, now I think of it, down to 35 is also in violation ...

Wait, okay, here we go :

By proposing to be bringing the maximum level down by 5 hours, they are coming into direct conflict, thus in this case an obvious repeal now I think of it, of the 40 statute. Now, it is also already stated nations may lower it independantly of U.N. law already. So,

A) Nations already have the power The Okanogan suggests, plus,

B) This could be considered a repeal due to the conflict above by blanket minimising the set limit. So yeah, T.H. is right.

There, I think that is it.

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Since adding/changing a passed resolution is prohibited, I'd say that alone is enough to make this idea invalid...I don't think that STRENGTHENING a past proposal is illegal.

No but it's awfully relative.

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Oh, the proposal is piss poor, but a proposal along the lines of a passed resolution one but more stringent would not REPEAL or MODIFY an existing proposal but merely render it moot. There is an oceon of difference.

One with a weaker level of regulation would be moot itself as the existing resolution would trump it by virtue of being more stringent.

Since my other proposals to increase the maximum work week were thrown out. I am glad you guys seem to have come to this conclusion. However I am a little baffled that someone thought that strengthening a proposal is okay but not weakening.

My beef with this whole situation is that once a resolution is passed no resolution dealing with the same subject is allowed to come to vote. That means that essentially every real issue has been voted on and done with. So then we are left voting on silly things like that guys lemonade stand proposal that was recently thrown out as well becuase it was too silly. So what is left? Nothing!

I really do not see how repealing a proposal is changing the mechanics of the game I guess. What changes are made to UN countries when a resolution passes such as the 40 hour work week? Lets say it makes all UN countries variable X go down 10 points. Now a new resolution comes along saying that the work week is elliminated... What would be done if the first resolution had never been passed? Whatever your answer is, that is what you do now.

Anyways I know I am ranting and nothing is going to happen. ANyways go ahead and remove my 35 hour workweek, and be done with it. I am not going to bother you all anymore about it. Just please consider what I am saying... Pretty soon you will have nothing left to debate and propose.

I would argue quite the opposite. As we get the big big issues out of the way, less obvious but equally interesting and important ones will come to the forefront. But we arn't in danger of running out of the biggies any time soon. Just take a look at the three resolutions that are in line to be voted on.

Exactly.

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While we are still suffering from the big economic blow that was caused to us by the 40-hour-work-week resolution we welcome your statement in respect to the even worse proposal of a 35-hour-week.

Declaring it an violation of UN-law and therefore invalid is a statement we strongly welcome. That gives us hope to remain in the UN and fight here for changes for a better UN with better policies: At that are: more free-market, more activities for global securtity (fighting terrorism) and the protection of countries, cultures and values.

Sincerely yours

Marc Smith, president of Kybernetia

I didn't support the 40 Hr. work week, as it would limit those poor souls in low paying jobs, who need the extra hours to make ends meet.

Even that 40 hour workweek was in direct conflict with a previous proposal that was supposed to protects individuals choice.

Description: Aware that sometimes, all choices we face are an illusion, but nonetheless strongly believing that as humans, we are entitled to make them ourselves, Reiterating that freedom of choice is a defining element of our very humanity and the inalienable right of all humanity, Alarmed that there are those among us who seek to limit our ability to choose, including but not limited to political, educational and consumer choice, Further alarmed that individuals can be influenced and their ability to decide limited through cultural conditioning, Deeply disturbed that the practice of subliminal advertising appears to erode the fundamental human trait of free will, Noting with concern that in the wider world, the populations of entire nations repeat non sequitors issued by the State and remain in profound ignorance of the world around them, Recalling the Resolution "Universal Bill of Rights" and Articles 1, 2 and 3 in particular, Approving of past Resolutions restricting personal freedoms in the interests of moral decency, Stressing that humanity has an innate curiosity about the world, and welcoming all efforts to permit this curiosity to reach its full potential, 1) Urges all members of the United Nations to recognise that a populace granted the freedom to make choices in life; is a happier, more content and more productive society;

Sigh. I would seriously consider giving up this tirade against the UN before you find yourself ejected.


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