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The United Nations, under the terms of this proposal, recognizes the basic human rights of unborn children, newborns, and the elderly.

1. Unborn children have no means of defending themselves in the case of abortion. Were they to grow up, in the case that they were faced with the death penalty, they would be permitted to defend themselves. It is hereby stated that Unborn Children, As Well As Newborns, Have The Same Basic Human Rights As All Other Human Beings.
A. In cases in which the mother's life is threatened by the birth of the child, individual nations shall form their own policies concerning which life to spare.
B. In cases of rape, if the mothers feels unable to take care of the child, it will be placed in a foster care program.
C. In case in which the parents are unable to care for the child, it shall be placed in a foster care program.

2.The elderly citizens of the world shall never suffer forced euthanasia. Euthanasia has been legalized by the UN, but no UN nation shall be allowed to decide an age at which people are deemed a burden to society, and executed simply because of their age or health.
A. Euthanasia as definded by the "Legalise Euthanasia" Proposal, would be unaffected by this proposal.



Randomocitia, Regional Delegate of Moperville

So what your saying, in another way, is to outlaw abortion.

Correct?

Respectfully,

President - Incorporated States of Republican Ideology

So what your saying, in another way, is to outlaw abortion.

Correct?

Respectfully,

President - Incorporated States of Republican Ideology

That seems to be one of his points, yes.

I have endorsed the proposal.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

Okay, you may call me naive but that is probably because I am but I just wanna post my voice.

Abortion, to me, should be legalized. I mean most people believe it should be illegal EXCEPT in the case of rape. Well, just because your father is a dick doesn't mean you should die [Alot of people wouldn't have been alive today.] And just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean you can force others to do it your way. Since so many think it is wrong in the first place [even though you most likely haven't been in this situation] it wouldn't even happen that often. Plus, do you want those kids going through the foster system. they might end up screwed up in the head, like me. anyway. I'm not a feminist if that is what you think. I'm just a girl, coming into age and just wanting to voice this part.

The whole legalized killing of people should be legal, but it shouldn't be on somehting like when you turn 75 you should die. It is just morally wrong to me. I think it should be if the person is in pain and doesn't want to live anymore... Or if the... nevermind they HAVE TO BE IN PAIN [Emotionally or Physically] and doesn't want to live anymore. [I don't know, work with it. I'm only 15 - years - old. I don't get into those legalized details and the worries of homicide and suicide with an accomplice i'm 15!]

sincerely,
Android 13 [nation's leader of the Empire of Sector 5 Pheonix]

P.S: sorry for the cursing. :(

No one has the right to interfere in the choices a woman makes regarding her body, men especially. Abortion is not the problem. It is the demonization of women that have abortions that is the true problem.


Yours in Freedom,
Prime Minister of the Democratic Republic of Antoristan

No one has the right to interfere in the choices a woman makes regarding her body, men especially. Abortion is not the problem. It is the demonization of women that have abortions that is the true problem.


Yours in Freedom,
Prime Minister of the Democratic Republic of Antoristan

I'm inclined to believe that no one has the right to take the life of the child unless the mother's life is in jeapoardy if she tries to carry the child to term

Now, while I am of the opinion that demonizing women who have abortions is not helpful, I have to disagree with you and assert that abortion is a problem. It may not be a root problem, but it is a problem.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

Apology for long post, :wink:

The United Nations, under the terms of this proposal, recognizes the basic human rights of unborn children, newborns, and the elderly.

Now, at first I was more then happy to read this. Then I kept reading ...

:wink:

1. Unborn children have no means of defending themselves in the case of abortion.

Well, not unless they develop the ability to burst out of a mothers chest in some "Alien"-esque fashion. Yes, I know, icky, but I had to say it.

:wink:

Were they to grow up, in the case that they were faced with the death penalty, they would be permitted to defend themselves.

Ah, hypotheticals and moral arguments, how my heart wants to burst out of my chest with ... complete disgust and strangle some one proposing all this wishy washy rubbish.

It is hereby stated that Unborn Children, As Well As Newborns, Have The Same Basic Human Rights As All Other Human Beings.

A home-loan repayment ? Credit card bill ? Maybe draw some referance to exactly what rights these are, lest I consider the "right to be hit with a frying-pan for being obtuse" is one of these rights ... :)

A. In cases in which the mother's life is threatened by the birth of the child, individual nations shall form their own policies concerning which life to spare.

Or better yet, let nations decide on their own when abortion is legal.

B. In cases of rape, if the mothers feels unable to take care of the child, it will be placed in a foster care program.

Oh please :roll: ... See above ...

Might I add, just because a woman is raped is no friggerty reason for her to have to bring the foetus, I hope thats how its spelt, to term. See above initial argument regarding abortion.

C. In case in which the parents are unable to care for the child, it shall be placed in a foster care program.

Or better yet, let nations decide on when abortion is legal and how they manage their social policies.

2.The elderly citizens of the world shall never suffer forced euthanasia.

Good. :)

Euthanasia has been legalized by the UN,

Yes ...

but no UN nation shall be allowed to decide an age at which people are deemed a burden to society, and executed simply because of their age or health.

Okay, but as I remember, the "Legalise Euthanasia" resolution covered this by the fact a document must be have been signed by a person for those closet to them to make the decision as to if euthanasia should go ahead. And that the individual who is elderly or ill and is competent may choose themselves when to do so. Also I bet if I had more time I could swing "Freedom of Choice" in on all this ... in fact ...

A. Euthanasia as definded by the "Legalise Euthanasia" Proposal, would be unaffected by this proposal.

Okay, but maybe you could make things clearer by saying "No age may be chosen by a nation for compulsory euthanasia or as any other cut off point for the life of the citizenry, and this re-enforces the "Legalise Euthanasia" resolution. Just a suggestion,

1) Leave abortion decisions out of the U.N.

2) Maybe be a bit clearer on the euthanasia bit.

3) I will return with more arguments regarding my hands off abortion in the U.N. policy, once I browse a few past passed proposals ...

- T.R. Kom
Le Représentant de Komokom.
Ministre Régional de Substance.
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<- Not A Moderator, Just A Know It All.
" Clowns To The Left of Me ... Jokers To The Right, Here I am ... "

Although we recognise that abortion is not always the most popular option it is sometimes a necessary action. We will not take any steps to outlaw it although we respect the decisions of countries that do.

Giordano,
Assistant UN representative,
The Black New World
This was a standard response.
Meet The Reps (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=132588)

I note with interest the proposal made by the honourable member of Randomocitia and congratulate them on cleverly combining two controversial subjects such as abortion, which may not receive majority support, with one such euthanasia, which might. Although this may not have been the intent of the honourable member, I feel that we should be very careful. The issues raised by these two subjects are very different and I feel should be kept apart.

The abortion argument itself is very controversial and I respect the honourable members views for the sanctity of life. However, by making abortion illegal you have to consider the consequences. I do not believe that women with unwanted pregnancy will stop having abortions simply because it is illegal. The only effect this will have, as we have seen before, is to drive it underground. The safety of these women will then be seriously at risk and chances of them having a child in later life may be severely jeopardised. This is especially true in a situation such as rape where the mother have been subjected to substantial psychological trauma.

The further argument to this is how it will be enforced. Any law without penalty is useless, since breaking it must have consequences or else there will be no need to follow it. So I put it to you, does this mean that women who choose to have an illegal abortion as you propose will be prosecuted?

The government of Telidia could never allow a situation where the law would in effect take away the right of choice from an individual. Nor can we sanction a state of affairs where a law would directly lead to placing our citizens health at risk with little or no immediate value to society at large. Certainly, I can appreciate the argument that these ‘unborn children’ may ultimately have been a useful part of society, but we believe a government cannot deal in chance. We can only deal with certainty and the only certainty in passing this type of legislation is that women in long run will suffer far more than the potential gain a society may or may not have had.

I agree with the representative from Komokom, leave this type of legislation completely out of the UN.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
HM Government of Telidia