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A new proposal submitted today detailing the original purpose of the United Nations and how more recent resolutions have been infringing on individual member states' right to self rule. Basically reaffirms that the United States is a group of nations working together, not a world government.

What's the United Nations?

The UN is the world's governing body.

http://www.nationstates.net/pages/faq.html#UN

Wouldn't this be classified as a proposal trying to change game mechanics?

Basically reaffirms that the United States is a group of nations working together, not a world government.

While I would agree with this, I don't think your intention was to say it.

Wouldn't this be classified as a proposal trying to change game mechanics?

I don't think it is...it doesn't have any implications in terms of game mechanics, it doesn't repeal anything, it just discourages the UN from infringing on national sovereignty.

United Nations Reform

A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.
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Category: The Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Cristia Lida

Description: With increasing nervousness, we, the democratic citizens of the world, have noted the increasing power of the United Nations. What was once a forum for discussing international issues has become a tool for controlling the governments of every member state.

Let it be noted that the United Nations' purpose is not to control individual governments; its purpose is to deal with issues that affect the world community as a whole, not by individual states.

Resolutions such as "The 40 Hour Workweek" infringe on given states' rights to self-rule. Ironic that the United Nations, founded to protect the peoples' rights to self-rule, breaches that right by undermining the governments those people elect.

Therefore, let it be noted that:

The United Nations has no right to infringe on member states' right to self-rule. Individual governments may make laws and enact customs without needing to heed the United Nations so long as the people still control the government or the government is not seen as oppressive to its people.

The United Nations is meant to protect the people from tyrannical governments and from international disasters; it is not meant to control the way governments' rule, so long as they are ruled by the people (democratic) or are approved of by the people (monarchies, etc.).


'Approved of by the people'. Heh heh heh. You'll find that every psychotic tinpot dictator is 'approved of by the people' right up till the point they overthrow his ass.

In other news:
Individual governments may make laws and enact customs without needing to heed the United Nations so long as the people still control the government or the government is not seen as oppressive to its people.
Game mechanics, pure and simple.

Aargh...it wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the wording of that phrase. Shame, it could have been a good resolution.

Might I suggest that the Honourable Representative for Cristia Lida rework the phrase to something such as "Individual governments may make laws and enact customs independantly of the United Nations so long as..."

Might I also suggest re-examining the structure a bit - go with the clause structure in the resolution-writing guide.

Time again to bring up Frisbeeteria's good ole "Rights and Duties...". Take a peek at past resolutions.

Was the UN 'founded to protect the peoples' rights to self-rule' I thought it was so we could 'working tirelessly to improve the standard of the world. That, or trying to force other nations to be more like them'

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The way the UN works is that it overrides national sovereignty. That can't be avoided.


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The only reform the UN must make is to finally acknowledge that it is not a "world governing body" and that nations must be free to repeal any legislation the UN enacts. The Kingdom of Austica has repealled UN legislation, and if future legislation comes to light which is as destructive as the last, then we shall of course repeat the repealling process

UN does not have to reform, it just has to realise that no more can it operate as a complete contradiction of it's basic principles, I mean hell, you cannot even censure a nation in it!

The UN must accept the above, otherwise its time as an effective international organisation is over. It will be dead!

The UN seems to be clinging to its basic principles pretty tightly:

The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)

The only reform the UN must make is to finally acknowledge that it is not a "world governing body" and that nations must be free to repeal any legislation the UN enacts. The Kingdom of Austica has repealled UN legislation, and if future legislation comes to light which is as destructive as the last, then we shall of course repeat the repealling process

UN does not have to reform, it just has to realise that no more can it operate as a complete contradiction of it's basic principles, I mean hell, you cannot even censure a nation in it!

You can't repeal... it's not possible. The way the game works means it's automatically enforced in your nation. Nothing you can do.

Tobias McLean again stands up.

"Let it be noted that the delegate from Austica seems to have lost any dgree of sanity that they originally had. The UN is exceptionally effective; indeed, 100% effective. There is no way that you can possibly not comply with its resolutions. It is 100% effective."

"Yet our delusional friend from Austica seems to argue the complete opposite! If we allow UN Nations to supercede UN resolutions, and circumvent any resolutions that we try to make, the Austican claims, we will become more effective! How, indeed, we become more than 100% effective is a mystery, something the Austicans should readily explain."

"If we allow UN nations to repeal or ignore UN legislation, then, what, indeed, is the UN for? UN resolutions will be useless! They won't be able to do anything! Because if one resolution passes, UN nations can pick and choose which bits of these resolutions they want to implement, or even ignore them in their entirety! By doing this, you are decreasing the influence of the UN, not increasing it! Like it or not, the UN is, as it has been clearly explained before, the world's governing body. If you don't like a resolution, well... that's your loss. You can always put up your own resolutions, always put forward your points of view. The UN has never experienced, as East Hackney has said before, a significant loss of membership, despite the various blowhards outside the UN who come in to trumpet their vastly overinflated economy whilst their people starve and their land ruined... aren't they wonderful? So, the UN will not "die" just because a few brave nations like Free Soviets (who, as we should all remember, was attacked by aggressors after their last resolution passed) constantly stand up for the people rather than neo-liberalism and giant conglomerates."

"And if Austica keeps claiming that it has repealed UN legislation, I will be forced to laugh. Continuously. The UN is 100% effective at implementing its legislation: if you say your nation has not complied. you are either a liar, or a fool."

Back to the proposal...

The way the UN works is that it overrides national sovereignty. That can't be avoided.

I think it [the proposal] would be OK if it just discouraged people from submitting the ridiculously overbearing resolutions of which we have seen a few lately. Personally, I'm for it, if it gets edited and resubmitted.

ThEg National Foreign Secretary, Michael Ancram, takes the mic...

"ThEg Nationals believe in the UN, we, as a nation believe that countries should work together in harmoney, to create the thriving econamies we all want, up to a point. The United Nations should not override national sovereignty, especially on issues such as the proposal just passed on how many hours our citizens must work, but indeed the UN is the worlds governing body, we must all abide by the rules, but challenge where we see necersary."

*cough*

"The tensions being created by this proposal deeply worry ThEg National. Our concern is that we don't want there to be any split here in the forum, we must all get along as well as possible. However if some countries are putting forward ridiculas proposals, and they are actually being endoursed and enforced, then ThEg National will lead a movement of resignation from the UN, and the set up of an alternative world governing body for those whom want, not to be nannied by the UN."