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seriously, is anybody else's economy doing any worse since these past two resolutions were passed? It could be how I'm running the country, but I don't think so since it only goes down whenever a resolution passes. Hell, I shudder when I see one coming up now. Mine went from Thriving to Reasonable.

Just curious

My economy is the same as your's is: Reasonable. It was Good before that.

seriously, is anybody else's economy doing any worse since these past two resolutions were passed? It could be how I'm running the country, but I don't think so since it only goes down whenever a resolution passes. Hell, I shudder when I see one coming up now. Mine went from Thriving to Reasonable.

Just curious

Dropped from strong to reasonable, tax increased form 24% to 31% (only a 29% jump!!!!). My citizens now are no longer "hard working", some on welfare.

Seriously thinking of pulling out. :evil:

Economic blow due to the 40-hours-work-week

My economy went down from thriving to strong and my income tax went up from 0% to 2%. If I´m seeing further decline I will leave the UN.

Sincerely yours

Marc Smith, president of Kybernetia

My economy has suffered also.

But let us not pull out. Don't give up. Do not abandon the field of battle to the enemy. If I leave, and you leave, and people who value their own indepence leave, the bad will drive out the good, and no one will be left to oppose the Free Soviets and others like them.

Let's develop a secret alliance dedicated to reversing the effects of this odious resolution. :twisted:


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Let's develop a secret alliance dedicated to reversing the effects of this odious resolution. :twisted:

Yes. That was very secret.

It was as Ilcaris predicted; a horrible resolution passed that caused our strong economy to weaken. As our economy weakens, the living standards of our populance drops. The people that this resolution was supposed to 'protect', find themselves in an economical disaster, because they cannot work enough to pay the bills, and the Goverment's only way to help has been through more social aid implimented.

God damned utopian fantasy-idiots who claimed that this resolution would in any way help. It's shown itself to be a amazingly ill thought of resolution.

Mine's fine. Not like I would care if it wasn't. Every resolution has its drawbacks and I must bow to the will of the majority.

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economy? what economy? ours is so perpetualy in the basement (in game terms as far as any sort of international monitary credit is concerned) any difference would be and is undetectable.

nerdishness is next to godliness but the bussiness of bussiness is monkey bussiness.

in our post petrolium, post monetary, post warring states, 'morning after''the end of the world' the question is, to us, meaningless

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My nation's economy dropped from "Powerhouse" to "Strong". I'm proud my nation's economy has not been damaged more than it has, but labor riots are storming the streets, anti-socialist and communistic riots are in the streets, and protestors demand Kerubia's withdrawal from the UN. We won't withdraw yet.

We've been forced to raise the hated income tax to 12% (from about 3%, I believe). My nation despises this act, especially the wealthy.

I certainly hope that the nation of Free Soviets was correct when they said the economy will get better, otherwise the environment is going to be drilled to the core to counter-act this resolution.

--Justin Timme

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Finds it sad in a way that some people, not saying people present here, but there are people who judge national great-ness on economy, rather then the personal prosperity of the individual citizens in relation to physical and mental health, and in relation to human rights and equality.

Or something like that. :wink:

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I'm not entirely sure what's prompted a special bitching session from a proposal that hurts your economy no more than the average SAVE TEH TREES proposal. The UN is in the business of promoting good causes. Sometimes good causes cost money. Get over it.

@Representative of Komekon,
Monseigneur Ministre Régional de Substance.
L'Ordre de Vaillant États,

we have to partly disagree with your statement.

"Finds it sad in a way that some people, not saying people present here, but there are people who judge national great-ness on economy, rather then the personal prosperity of the individual citizens in relation to physical and mental health, and in relation to human rights and equality."

A crippled economy does not provide the goods needed for the wellbeing ot the citizens. A strong, prosperous and growing economy is needed (it is the conditio since qua non) to develop greater personal and individual prosperity, health and well-being.

The economy is not everything but without economy nothing works.

Sincerely yours

Marc Smith, president of Kybernetia

The economy is not everything but without economy nothing works.

We agree completely. But some nations take this as an excuse to crank up their economies at the expense of everything else. It is possible to have Strong or better economies while maintaining very high social standards - indeed, some of our allies in the Anti-Capitalist Alliance have economies which are Thriving or stronger.

seriously, is anybody else's economy doing any worse since these past two resolutions were passed? It could be how I'm running the country, but I don't think so since it only goes down whenever a resolution passes. Hell, I shudder when I see one coming up now. Mine went from Thriving to Reasonable.

Just curious

My taxes went from 3% to 8% but my economy is still frightening.

The economy of Cabinia went from Strong to Very Strong.

Now you see why we are no longer members of the UN.

It is possible to have Strong or better economies while maintaining very high social standards - indeed, some of our allies in the Anti-Capitalist Alliance have economies which are Thriving or stronger.

Exactly. We maintain our economy at a level that the UN rates as either Thriving or Powerhouse (because things that are All-Consuming or Frightening are not good things), all while also maintaining excellent rankings for health, education, income equality, happiness, etc.

Our economy remains at Thriving, and income tax is still unheard of.

[quote="Komokom"]Finds it sad in a way that some people, not saying people present here, but there are people who judge national great-ness on economy, rather then the personal prosperity of the individual citizens in relation to physical and mental health, and in relation to human rights and equality.

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It's hard to be a happy 40 hour a week worker with an economy going down hill, sweetheart. No money, no smiles. Lots of people will be out of their 40 hour a week jobs soon. Great going, UN members. You guys can do without me for a while.

My economy is imploded and I'm proud of it! Dammit!

my perfectly good but then again im not in the un :D

Our economy is very good. It's very free. No hierarchy, no money.

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Actually, my economy improved. Weird, I thought it would do a lot more poorly.

In economic news, Cabinia's stock markets have had their sharpest increase in 8 years, with an 8% overall increase in stock prices over the last week. The surge was led by an unlikely source... industries that operate at sea.

Max Profit, Vice President of Acquisitions at Maritime Interests, Inc, had this to say: "The UN resolution forbidding employees to work over 80 hours in a week has been an absolute boon for us. Merchant fleets all over the world have been shut down entirely. It's a buyers' market. We've acquired supertankers, transports, and merchant fishing vessels in what amounts to panic selling by their owners. We've closed deals that have increased the size of our fleet three-fold, at a fraction of the cost of our previous fleet."

The real challenge, according to Profit, is the supply of labor. "We can't keep the previous employees of these ships. There simply aren't enough sailors in Cabinia." The government is working on guest-worker visas for foreign sailors who've had their livelihoods taken away. In the meantime, Maritime Interests is offering entry-level positions at salaries unparalleled in the industry.

Another success story is DJK Contracting, which IPO'd on Friday and closed at nine herpes a share. DJK specializes in maintenance and operation of oil platforms, and their demand has skyrocketed. "The world still runs on oil, and no legislation can change that," states CEO Jeff Dormand. The owners of these oil rigs have been forced by the UN to enter into some rather unusual contract agreements in order to stay in business. "They can't hire us outright without violating UN regulations. So what they're doing instead is leasing the rigs to us, and we pay for them with a percentage of the rigs' yield. What is left over is ours. It effectively means my guys are working for themselves, and the difference in morale and quality of work is unbelievable." And the difference in their paychecks is quite remarkable, as well.

CNTV UN correspondent Jack Slade says this is only the beginning. "The eighty-hour work limit is simply not workable in many industries. The impact on maritime industries was immediate, but other industries will soon follow." Of particular interest is the clause in the resolution that counts oncall hours against the 80-hour limit. "Satellite communications and information technology industries in particular are hit hard by this bill. We're already seeing leading indicators of spiralling costs and decreasing service in many UN member states. As this trend continues, outsourcing these jobs to places like Cabinia looks like a much better idea."

Jack has a final piece of advice for Cabinia's international investors. "Sell currencies of UN member states. As the price for certain services increases dramatically, inflation will follow." "Buy currencies and stocks of capitalist, non-UN nations like Cabinia. There are a wealth of business opportunities out there, and while Cabinia will certainly get her share, there are plenty to go around."

Report filed by Armen Nia, CNTV correspondent

OOC: This seems very close to saying what other countries are doing... which is, of course, Godmoding.

My economy remained thriving, although we were once rated the World Benchmark. What did change, however, after the 40-hour work week was our category shifted (briefly) from Capitalizt to Left-Leaning College State (how a libertarian government with no social welfare or income tax could be considered left-leaning, I don't know).

In any even, I believe you can help battle the negative effects of ill-conceived UN resolutions by raising the settings for your daily issues to 2 per day and choosing the strongest stance on each to shift you back toward where you want to be.

Richardelphia this morning returned back to its original Capitalizt category.

my economny went from strong to good... i think im gonna start voting no on some these resolutions they should have repealed 40 hour work weak the votes were so close

OOC: This seems very close to saying what other countries are doing... which is, of course, Godmoding.

OOC: No I'm not. I'm not a member of the UN, so this bill does not apply to me. However, I did lobby against this thing, and it passed anyway. So now I'm rubbing it in.

"Merchant fleets all over the world have been shut down entirely...panic selling by their owners"

The owners of these oil rigs have been forced by the UN to enter into some rather unusual contract agreements in order to stay in business...

"The eighty-hour work limit is simply not workable in many industries...We're already seeing leading indicators of spiralling costs and decreasing service in many UN member states."

All of that is you saying what is happening in other countries. It's pretty much directly equivalent to, say, us saying that all non-UN economies are collapsing because their workers are fleeing to UN nations where they won't be treated like dirt by their bosses. Roleplay your own nation all you like, but don't go playing other people's for them.

OOC: The very real effects of this bill on member states and their economies have already been mentioned in this forum. I'm simply giving them an RP backdrop. If non-member states had suddenly suffered a population drop, you'd have a point. But you don't, so mind your own business.

If youre truely tired of these kinds of proposals i urge you to join the Wu Tang Finanacial Region. We're striving to bring the UN back into the hands of the bussiness oriented minds of this world. With enough support we can turn this around.

Cabinia, this is the UN forum. Anything you choose to post on here is everybody's business. You can sit and godmode all you like in the comfort of your own room, but if you post it here, expect people to respond.

Our Economy is still considered All-Consuming...

Probably since almost constantly descisions went in favor of economic prosperity. However, we are considered "moderate" in our economic stance nonetheless...

Cabinia, this is the UN forum. Anything you choose to post on here is everybody's business. You can sit and godmode all you like in the comfort of your own room, but if you post it here, expect people to respond.

And you can mother your own country to death, and inflict your twisted views of society on the rest of the UN member states, but no matter how much you whine, you can't make me do anything. So shut up already. I'm tired of seeing you all over these forums telling everyone how they can and can't play. You don't like how everyone plays, go make your own game, and go play with yourself.

my economy went from power house to strong......and income tax increase from 3 % to 8% ...my pple are damn unhappy

And you can mother your own country to death, and inflict your twisted views of society on the rest of the UN member states, but no matter how much you whine, you can't make me do anything. So shut up already. I'm tired of seeing you all over these forums telling everyone how they can and can't play. You don't like how everyone plays, go make your own game, and go play with yourself.

OOC: Cabinia, like it or not, whilst there are no strict rules in FFRP, there are certain decorums. You can't suddenly declare that people's economies are collapsing just because your ideaology says it would happen if we did install the eighty-hour work limit. This is what you believe would happen, but not necessarily what other people believe would happen, even in capitalist states. You are basically dictating people's economic positions for them in RP, and I believe, personally, that's as bad as saying you telling other people what their armed forces did whilst engaged in military action with your nation. People tell other people all the time what is acceptable or unacceptable in military RP; why should it be any different for economic RP?

Mine hasn't been affected and remains as always on powerhouse :roll:

Hmmm Our economy actually improved it was nice to see it finally start moving out of the reccession.

Cabinia, this is the UN forum. Anything you choose to post on here is everybody's business. You can sit and godmode all you like in the comfort of your own room, but if you post it here, expect people to respond.

And you can mother your own country to death, and inflict your twisted views of society on the rest of the UN member states, but no matter how much you whine, you can't make me do anything. So shut up already. I'm tired of seeing you all over these forums telling everyone how they can and can't play. You don't like how everyone plays, go make your own game, and go play with yourself.

While the two have you have had some fairly heated debates, I would point out that East Hackney has at no point attacked you unfairly or abusively. I politely suggest you tone it down.

My economy has gotten worse, but I don't know if it because of UN resolutions or my choices for the Issues

OOC: Cabinia, like it or not, whilst there are no strict rules in FFRP, there are certain decorums. You can't suddenly declare that people's economies are collapsing just because your ideaology says it would happen if we did install the eighty-hour work limit. This is what you believe would happen, but not necessarily what other people believe would happen, even in capitalist states. You are basically dictating people's economic positions for them in RP, and I believe, personally, that's as bad as saying you telling other people what their armed forces did whilst engaged in military action with your nation. People tell other people all the time what is acceptable or unacceptable in military RP; why should it be any different for economic RP?

Don't be so retarded. I didn't dictate anything that happened in any economies. The game dictated it. Economies were reduced.

The maritime industries employ people who remain on station for days, weeks, even months at a time, then take a proportionally long time off. The 80-hour limit destroys them. Or give me an argument that says it doesn't. That has nothing to do with ideology. It is reality.

As for the other industries... "leading indicators." Because I have to explain the free markets in small words around here, let me elabor... uhh... explain. Just because something is starting to happen, doesn't mean things can't be changed.

As for Jack Slade's economic advice, it's just that... advice. And it can turn out wrong just as easily as any other prediction.

I don't think Cabinia is violating any decorums or rules. If he had said. "The Weegies, in a state economic of collapse, desperately sold my nation its entire fleet," then I'd agree we have a problem on our hands. However, Cabinia only spoke IN GENERAL about things that were happening.

"Merchant fleets all over the world have been shut down entirely...panic selling by their owners"

The owners of these oil rigs have been forced by the UN to enter into some rather unusual contract agreements in order to stay in business...

"The eighty-hour work limit is simply not workable in many industries...We're already seeing leading indicators of spiralling costs and decreasing service in many UN member states."

Here, I'm seeing qualifier words like "many" and general terms like "their". Nobody is being godmoded in specific, so I see no reason why Cabinia shouldn't have the right to RP as if what he says is what is happening. If we disagree, we should RP back with news of how OUR nations have not experienced similar problems, which is also our right as it's OUR nation.

Personally, I think what is happening here is that we all have differing views on what a 40-hour workweek would actually do to the economy, and we expect our own views to be the standard to which everyone must adhere. As this is a game where one's political views are realized in our own imaginary world, then we should each pretend as if what we believe is what is actually happening in our corner of the world. Since this is just a game, the world is infinite and different things could be happening in different places.

In other words, just because someone proclaims a different idea of the state of the world IN GENERAL than you doesn't mean they're trying to godmod you. Nobody except maybe the mods has the right to claim exclusive domain over what people say went on in general. If you don't like it, then as I said, play back and relate how and why the same thing has NOT been happening in your neck of the woods.

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Now for Theodonesia's take on things:

Due to public pressure from Theodonesian special-interest groups(especially in the Beef-Based Agriculture and Automobile Manufacturing industries), TheodonesiaCorp decided that it would be in our best economic interest to withdraw from the UN when we learned that this resolution would pass.

Some of the effects of our decision and the UN's decision have been similar. So far, TheodonesiaCorp reports that 3 foreign corporations intend to set up 24-hour call centers in our nation, in order to skirt UN regulations about the working wage. Negotiations are still being conducted.

Our tourism and service industries in our 2 border regions with UN countries have also seen a very slight, but noticable improvement. Apparently, goods services are cheaper here and more widely available. However, polls have shown that 68% of foreigners would place Theodonesia in the category of "a great place to visit, but I wouldn't move there".

On the flip side of the coin, our national census has actually shown Theodonesia's per capita GDP to have remained constant within the range of random statistical variation, so the benefits of this resolution to the Theodonesian economy have either not taken full effect, or are negligible.

The Allied States of DragonIV are late to this discussion, we have been out of sorts since the passage of the previous resolution. Our economy, like many others, has weakened in the immediate wake of the implementation of that wretched proposal.

However, the weakening is only the first step. Our worst fears are being realized--many of our largest employers (and thus, our TAX BASE), have not waited to assess the damage to their productivity rate. We have begged them to reconsider, but to no avail.

The impact is three fold:

* our unemployment rate has risen from 3.6% to almost 5.4% in LESS THAN A WEEK.
* social services provided to the unemployed will begin to rise with the jump in unemployment
* we estimate that the losses in our tax base for the remainder of this fiscal year to reach upward of -15.2%.

So you see...while our economy has faltered slightly at first...it is at the edge of a precipice that we cannot afford to tumble from. We are proud that we carry no national debt; we will abandon the UN before we get to that unthinkable point. Repeal this immediately!

OOC: People can debate wether they belive that this resolution helped or harmed the economies for ever. How ever, the game mechanics reacted negativly, thus wether you like it or not, economies suffered because of it. What Carbina was describing threads a fine line between over stepping the boundries of imposing his rp views on others, but I don't really think it crosses it: It's allowed to play things out, after all, and that maritime jobs suffered, well, it's a likely scenario, as -some- parts of the economies of U.N nations -did- suffer. Mine went from Strong to Reasonable right away as a result.

I recently posted that I wasn't sure if it was the fault of national issues or UN reso;utions that brought my economy down. I'm still not sure, but after dealing with a couple of issues in the last 24 hours, my economy improved.

Yesterday my economy was all consuming while today it is a powerhouse. It might be related to the work hour limit, but it doesn't effect me much.

My nation's economy dropped from "Powerhouse" to "Strong". I'm proud my nation's economy has not been damaged more than it has, but labor riots are storming the streets, anti-socialist and communistic riots are in the streets, and protestors demand Kerubia's withdrawal from the UN. We won't withdraw yet.

We've been forced to raise the hated income tax to 12% (from about 3%, I believe). My nation despises this act, especially the wealthy.

I certainly hope that the nation of Free Soviets was correct when they said the economy will get better, otherwise the environment is going to be drilled to the core to counter-act this resolution.

--Justin Timme

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My economy went from Developing to Weak to Fragile....my income tax rate is now at 52 percent. This is fucked up.

Right now I am trying to gather support for a UN resolution I would bring to repeal the 40 hour workweek resolution