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Good day honorable Delegates.

I'm campaigning on behalf of my region Tagglandand our delegate for your support, In our proposal for a Breast Cancer - Cleavage Day to raise awareness in this human rights issue.
The proposal can currently be found on pg.18 of the proposals.

Your support will be most appreciated.

... Sigh, My turn I think, ...



Breast Cancer - Cleavage Day

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Shal

Description:

The General Assembly,

Reaffirming the need to create awareness of breast cancer,

Noting the great advance of the movement for woman’s rights internationally,

Recognizing the need for increased awareness to show appreciation for the womanly form, and the dire risks of breast cancer

1. Appeals to all States to allow for one day per year to be set aside as INTERNATIONAL CLEAVAGE DAY

2. Urges all agencies within the United Nations system to ensure the participation of the UN countries.

Approvals: 12 (EcoVille, Shal, Markodonia, Debrick, Bingmania, Hovin, The Severed Thumb, Yehosh, UDOE, Atlantic Quays, Celebrated Seahorse, Free Fire Zones)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 140 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun May 16 2004

1) Dear, when you want to advertise, don't put lines and lines of street directions to the store on the bill-board, just give the address and let the consumers seek it out. If you can't show the product well, they are not even going to bother to drive the distance.

2) " WTF ? " does this proposal get done ?

Where - are - the extreme moralists when you need them ? :D

- Le Représentant de Komokom, Ministre Régional de Substance.
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The edits mean I cannot spell ... :wink:

So I take it we can not count on your support :roll:

Well, if you are unsure, you can always read my post again, :wink:

- Le Représentant de Komokom, Ministre Régional de Substance.
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Then again, you also could try to make a good case against my obvious concerns ... :)

Recognizing the need for increased awareness to show appreciation for the womanly form...

Lack of appreciation for the womanly form has never posed a problem for Rehochipe. In fact, we feel we have a definite surplus.

Elsepeth R. Nibbling
Ministry of Being Nice

Senator Komokom and my other esteemed leaders,

First of all allow me to apologize for my colleague Critland's short posting in the matter at hand - I am afraid that we are a relatively new region and not very fluent in the language of government.

Allow me to elaborate on the Proposal at hand, that is: International Cleavage Day in aid of Breast Cancer awareness.

Breast Cancer, as you may know, affects millions of women across the globe. Women who are mothers, care-givers, home-makers. For that alone, this is a worthy cause and a necessary one.
In conjunction with raising the awareness of Breast Cancer (along with other female-orientated deseases), we will also be paying homage to the mothers/sisters/daughters of this world. Through the ages the female gender has been one of the most opressed peoples in the world. We are finally coming to our own, and what better way to celebrate this, than by saying "Look at me! I am ALL women!"
While doing this, it will also heighten men's awareness of breast-cancer - what better way to attract a man's attention, than providing his eyes with a glimpse of the visual splendor that is a woman's bosom?

I ask you to support us in this regard and to vote YES for International Cleavage Day in aid of Breast Cancer Awareness!

Thank you for your time.
Yours in good (and bad) government
HRH The Diva
Diva-Rule

It would appear that the esteemed Senator of Komokom has obviously NO appreciation of the female form. :twisted:

Grand! The Glorious Northerness of Bahgum (from the region of Ooop North- Northerners welcome!) applauds such a worthy proposal. Not only do we have the chance to celebrate, but also feel good about discussing a fine upstanding issue.
Not all proposals need to insist on specific technical actions, sometimes just raising awareness in a fun way is much more powerful!

Whilst I note the heartfelt post from the honourable member of Shal, I must confess that I unable to recommend support of this resolution to my delegate. Whilst I applaud every effort to raise awareness of this terrible disease, I do not feel this proposal is appropriate for UN consideration. My feeling would be to raise awareness through campaigning and advertising as so many successful cancer agencies through out the world already does.

If however the honourable member wishes to re-draft a proposal so it specifies some specific measures (dependent on what they are of course) we feel it would stand a much better chance of achieving support. I am simply saying that as it stands we will do something for one day alone, what happens tomorrow? These people still suffer; let us apply ourselves to more practical measures which would actually help them in the long term.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
HM Government of Telidia

We could raise awareness about breast cancer by tying pink ribbons around Critland's neck...

Senator Komokom and my other esteemed leaders,

First of all allow me to apologize for my colleague Critland's short posting in the matter at hand - I am afraid that we are a relatively new region and not very fluent in the language of government.

Think nothing of it, I was only a little miffed by the short response having not faced up to my concerns, and may I welcome new blood into these halls of diplomacy, loud words and sheep crazed alchoholism.

:)

While I except the end your trying to reach, I am still concerned over the means, after all, I doubt much so that cleavage makes us males of the species first think of "Oh no, breast cancer is evil". I would figure something markedly different would come to mind.

:wink:

It would appear that the esteemed Senator of Komokom has obviously NO appreciation of the female form. :twisted:

Watch your step, oh thee oh little post, if your going to be crude, at least try to pull it off without almost looking like a "flaming" fool ...

Sigh ... AND ITS "The Rep of Komokom", NOT "Senator"

* And, before chasing off after one "Lupusstan" representative with a frying-pan,

Bahgum : Did I just see in your post what I though I saw ? :wink:

Cllaboration : Why around their necks, what if they've some, shall we say ... "cleavage" at the ready, just think, a new atraction for the Strangers Bar ... :wink:

It might stop certain people mentioning a "circus" ... For one thing ...

- Le Représentant de Komokom, Ministre Régional de Substance.
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So Shal,
you think that you can raise the awareness of breat cancer by showing off our "visual splendor that is a woman's bosom."
Sure your idea is great but your just another guy trying to get us to show you our boobs for your own pleasure. You are sick!!

The offended Queen of Asuaw

This sounds like it's mainly for the men...there's MUCH better ways to raise awareness.

The delegation from Sophista, and indeed the entire nation as a whole, stands in firm opposition of this proposal on two equally important pieces of philosophical ground.

First, I would like to draw everyone's attention to the misogynistic and overtly anti-feminist nature of this legislation. The author is implying that the only way to draw attention to an important medical issue affecting all societies is by parading around womens' breasts as if drooling over presented goods is equivilant to generating serious interest on breast cancer and its treatment.

Not only is this laying a serious roadblock in the path to ending sexism, but also takes a large step backwards by reinforcing the objectification of women as nothing more than sex objects to be held up as trophies. This legislation doesn't suggest that we should admire our spouses, sisters, daughters, friends, and colleagues and take interest in their health, rather that would should find a way to keep our precious boobies safe, less we be robbed of our view forever. Forgive me, but I feel we as civilized people are above this kind of degrading behaviour.

Second, let us also keep in mind the fact that this legislation is so audacious to imply that the only way anything can get solved in society is if it has a man's interest. This should raise flags immediately among those of you concerned with equal society. Why can't women generate the funds and interest necessary on their own? The implication that this legislation gives is that they're simply to weak to do it without a man stepping in and providing the necessary support.

The people of Sophista refuse to participate in this kind of flagrant sexism. Women should be treated as equals, deserving of all the respect and dignity that men afford other men, dignity and respect that legislation such as the proposed seeks to deny.

* Points quite calmly at Sophista's post, then jumps up and down madly and shouts,

"Yes, what they said, what they said ! "

:wink:

- Le Représentant de Komokom.
Ministre Régional de Substance.
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Sophista makes an excellent point.

As much as I agree with looking at breasts I also agree with Sophista.

I would also like to point out that some religions, and cultural values do not allow for plunging neck lines.

Try an add campaign or something.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?

But, more importantly... did someone say "circus"?

* Hits himself over the head with a frying-pan.

- Le Représentant de Komokom.

Ministre Régional de Substance.
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Thank you to those nations who expressed their support. Represent.

So Shal,
Sure your idea is great but your just another guy trying to get us to show you our boobs for your own pleasure. You are sick!!

The offended Queen of Asuaw


Asuaw, sorry to burst your bubble, but I am not a guy!

Being proud of my breasts and using them as a medium to bring across this message is by no means sick either!

Pity

Using your breasts as means to achieve an ulterior agenda is simply prostituting yourself for ideas. You might consider using the fact that you're an intelligent human being as justification for not dying of cancer instead of the fact that you have breasts.

:shock: WOW! I never realised that there were such narrow-minded people out there! Far be it from me to point fingers (or throw rotten tomatoes even when the temptation is HUGE!) but I can't help but wonder how many people who have taken a negative stance on this issue also believe that women who wear short skirts asked to be raped! :roll:

Nice try.

Women who wear short skirts aren't asking to be raped because they're not trying to actively exploit their vaginas in an attempt to advance an agenda. One is a choice in fashion combined with terrible circumstance, the other is a concious effort to degrade yourself into a sex object.

Nice try.

Agreed, and might I add maybe we are all having zee little break-ing down-ing in the communications, yes ?

What seems to me is zat zee one group likes the ideas of zeee shall we say prominance of the errr, "knockers" in order to, shall we say, "raise ... attention" to what is a major medicale concern in modern societyz.

Zen, we haf zis other grouping, who say, " Yes please be showing the "knockers", we be liking that, oh yes, very ... educational. "

Finally, ve haf the third groups, whom say " No, we no like the knockers, at this time, for xxxxx reason, theres a better way maybe ve tink ? ".

Now, if we look closely we haf the one group thinking the promotion of knockers is good for the cause, the next group saying, ve like the knockers, we think it would be vorking good for the goodly cause, and the last group who say, no, maybe knockers bad idea, maybe use recognised educational methodz, withot the possibiliz of offening zee less blatant knocker-projectionists.

Ya ? Ya ? Ya ? ... :wink:

- Le Représentant de Komokom.

( Wondering where he pulled the accent from, :) )

Ministre Régional de Substance.
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P.S. :

actively exploit their vaginas in an attempt to advance an agenda.

On one level I got that completely and maturely, but on another , I laughed like a 13 year old at see-ing it here. :wink:

All that stuff Komokom said.

Absolutely. It is important to note, though, how much more intelligent Group Three is relative to One and Two.

On one level I got that completely and adultly, on another ,I laughed like a 13 year old at see-ing it here.

You think that's funny? Imagine what an army of advancing vagina's looks like, then picture them exploiting for an agenda.

* The Rep of Komokom cannot be reached right now, he is rolling on the floor in hysterical laughter, and will not be available until later, please leave a message after the tone ...

( Proposed sound of vaginas exploded for agenda )

:D

- Le Représentant de Komokom.

Ministre Régional de Substance.
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<--- Not a Moderator, just a Know It All.

::actually meant the word exploiting, as in a bunch of vaginas taking advantage of stuff, but likes komokom's version much better::

I saw it after I posted it, edited it out, then thought, eh, why not, if only for the * raise the eye-brows * factor, lol.

Leave off, I'm tired, I just made my 1000 post don't you'all know, :wink:

- Le Représentant de Komokom.

Ministre Régional de Substance.
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<--- Not a Moderator, just a Negotiator.

Yes. Because nothing raises my eyebrows like exploding vaginas.

To each their own tastes, to each their own, :wink:

- Le Représentant de Komokom.

You know, once you add the word "taste" into the mix, the whole image becomes unappealing all of the sudden. I think I need a drink.

Goodness me, what would the psychologists say? And, speaking of circuses, a nostalgia trip for some of you:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122857&highlight=

Exploding vaginas and tasting circuses. You know, that does sound like something the UN would try to pull off. All the same, this proposal still needs to be torn to pieces and its shreds burned as a sacrifice to whatever sick and twisted god planted the seed for the idea in hopes we can appease him before something else goes wrong.

All that stuff Komokom said.

Absolutely. It is important to note, though, how much more intelligent Group Three is relative to One and Two.



:roll:

I think you missed the point entirely!

Never mind, we make exceptions for those in GROUP 1. Nice that you have decided to classify everyone and promote further segregation.

You are an outstanding example of a UN delegate! "

Classify! and conquer!

Egads that was painful. Classification is bad? Well, shit. I guess that means we should stop calling people men and women, and refer to everyone as human. No, wait. That's classifying us as something different than cheetahs and giraffes. I guess I'll just have to use only pronouns for the rest of this post.

Just because a group of us refer to a group of us as a group of us doesn't necessarily mean that a group of us is bad, just different. And just because someone in the forum seems to thinks that having boobies means that someone in the forum is allowed to say waving your boobies around for political gain is good doesn't make someone in the forum right. In fact, it makes someone in the forum the Anti-Christ of feminism.

Ah, shit. I can't do it. This pronoun thing is hard. Point is, woman or not, letting yourself be sexually exploited for a goal, no matter how noble, is dehumanizing and wrong. Until you prove otherwise, I don't care what you say about groups and numbers: you're still a moron.

I don't care what you say about groups and numbers: you're still a moron.

Here I thought the UN was supposed to be a forum for intelligent discussions and decision-making. Now you are going to start calling someone names - Just because you dont agree with what they are saying?
:roll:
I am sorry, but THAT is just wrong. Not one of the other delegates or members has gone so far as to call you anything, though goodness knows, the temptation is strong. I will ask that you apologize to the honorable member Shal for that uncalled for remark.

Further more, I get the impression that as a woman (which I assume you are) you are not very comfortable with what God has given you. Since when is it demeaning to wear cleavage-revealing clothes? You know, where I come from, we even wear BIKINI's (you know, those specially placed triangles with the bits of string in between?).
Then you say that women who would support our cause are prostituting themselves? Never having had anything to do with prostitution, other than what I have seen on tv and in books, I understand the act of prostitution as selling you body sexually, in exchange for something else. Since when is it prostitution to show your cleavage? Am I a prostitute if I wear a short skirt? An open-necked shirt?
We understand that our suggested cleavage day would not have been possible in all countries. We also understand that even in modern society there are people who seem to think that they have the right to judge others by their attire. We also understand that those people are moralistic wind-bags, who put down ideas but are unable to come up with better ones.
Finally, allow me to say that where I come from, we do have a national cleavage day, and none of the women who partake in it have ever been made to feel like cheap prostitutes. That is just in some people's heads.

Yours in good (and bad) government
HRH The Queen Diva

Oh and Senator Komokom - LUVED the accent! :wink:

"Assumption is the mother of all fvck ups."
- Everett McGill, Under Siege 2: Dark Territory

[ooc]
Contrary to popular belief, I'm not a woman. My name is Aaron, manifested on NS by the famously sarcastic Daniel M. Hillaker. I know, it's weird to think that a man would be actively encouraging women to put their boobs away. Call me cultured.

[ic]
Like others before you, you're making the fatal mistake of equivocating wearing tiny clothes and using sex as a weapon of politics. As I explained before (and you likely didn't read), there's a substantial difference between a choice in fashion and the exploitation of "the goods."

This becomes evident in your inability to wrap your mind around the metaphor through which I argued. Most would agree that prostitution is the exchange of a sex act for goods, services, and favors. Where you seem to fall of the bandwagon is right where COPS usually picks up.

Women who use their feminine assets to advance a goal are prostituting themselves because they're exploiting sex for political gain. That is, they're saying "if you support our cause, you can see more boobies." Call me crazy, but if we substitute "support our cause" for "give me ten dollars" (both of which are goods, services, or favors) we seem to have stumbled across prostitution in its original form.

I have no problem with women wearing short skirts and tight shirts, if that's their personal choice. The problem arises, and this is where the proposed resolution bites it, when you're using the short skirts and tight shirts as a way to manipulate people. If a high school student hikes her skirt up her leg, that's one thing. If she hikes her skirt up her leg so the teacher can see her panties and give her an A, that's quite another.

Now, I understand completely that this won't make any sense to you whatsoever. Believe me, you're not the first person who can't get the gears in your head spinning fast enough to comprehend what I just said. If you don't come away from this with anything else (which is highly likely), at least come away with this:

"If I flash my boobs for a service, that's wrong."

Sincerely yours,
Daniel M. Hilllaker

That would be SUCH a good quote, but I never used the word assume, other than that one time - and that says NOTHING.

Nice try, but it cuts no goat - try again.

(No really - try, I am starting to enjoy this) :lol:

I never used the word assume, which means I didn't assume. I only took for granted the fact that you were a woman without justification, incorrectly supposing something to be true. Sure, I simply performed the action of assuming, but since I didn't call it that your arguments obviously don't link.

Right. Read the post again, sweetie.

EDIT:
Oh, and I almost forgot. I'll apologize to the Shalian representative when he makes amends for running a deliberately dehumanizing campaign against the women of the world, and ceases to degrade them into sex objects.

I never used the word assume, which means I didn't assume. I only took for granted the fact that you were a woman without justification, incorrectly supposing something to be true. Sure, I simply performed the action of assuming, but since I didn't call it that your arguments obviously don't link.

Right. Read the post again, sweetie.

EDIT:
Oh, and I almost forgot. I'll apologize to the Shalian representative when he makes amends for running a deliberately dehumanizing campaign against the women of the world, and ceases to degrade them into sex objects.

Sophista, you are so quick to ask people to READ the posts, yet you are the most guilty of not reading. If you scroll up you will see that I am NOT a MALE!

I am proudly female, who celebrates cleavage day once a year to raise awareness for breast cancer! I don't do it to get a raise, to get a compliment or to get money!

Its a tongue in cheek way of getting the message out there! People need to relax a little and have some fun!

:roll:

Right. Read the post again, sweetie.


And I repeat - the one time i made an assumption, had nothing to do with the main impetus of my argument - get over it and attempt (I am BEGGING you) to come up with something more colourful than name-calling and finger-pointing.

*patiently awaiting a reply*

Its a tongue in cheek way of getting the message out there! People need to relax a little and have some fun!

Please get out of the U.N,. and leave us be, then, :wink:

While "joke" or fun proposals are usually aceptable upon meeting with Moderation criteria, this is foolish.

How-ever, some of us prefer proposals for proposals sake, for the games sake. Not to play "pretend to flash breasts and thus offend any player of differing moral standards"

Yes regular readers, I used "morality", and yes, I feel so dirty !

:wink:

Oh, and by the way, how about "all men must display testicles" day in order to promote awareness of testicular cancer ?

:D

- Le Représentant de Komokom.

Ministre Régional de Substance.
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Senator Komokom,
Did any of us EVER say that women were supposed to "flash" their boobs?

There is a vast difference between cleavage and the "full monty".

And Komokom didn't suggest anything about the full monty... just testicles.

And, y'know, just because you're female and feminist doesn't mean you're incapable of perpetuating bad gender attitudes. Women are guilty of it as much as men.

There is a vast difference between cleavage and the "full monty".

Really, ? So only cleavage is okay, yet, if its part of another bodily organ / system ( Oh please, "full-monty", I thought this was a debate, not a dramatics attack :wink: ), then heavens forbid, right?

And there, you have shown your blind-ness to the problem, because :

Where you see male testicle display in-appropriate, are others who see cleavage display to be in-appropriate. Get it yet ?

:)

- Le Représentant de Komokom.

Ministre Régional de Substance.
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We the recently founded, and admitted, nation of Shukaku have debated long into the night on this proposal. After much deleiberation and a recall of the votes we have decided, on the slimest of margins. That we will NOT be supporting this propsal This is the democractic descsion of the People's of Shukaku and so this is the descision we will stand by.

There is a vast difference between cleavage and the "full monty".

Really, ? So only cleavage is okay, yet, if its part of another bodily organ / system ( Oh please, "full-monty", I thought this was a debate, not a dramatics attack :wink: ), then heavens forbid, right?

Please explain "dramatics attack", cause I dont get where you get that from. Here I thought I was using a term that would be generally understood when I said "full monty" now I am being accused of god-alone knows what!



And there, you have shown your blind-ness to the problem, because :

Where you see male testicle display in-appropriate, are others who see cleavage display to be in-appropriate. Get it yet ?


Did I say I find the displaying of testicles inappropriate? Please dont put words into my mouth... You might notice that my little country (the entire region, in fact) is all for "letting it all hang out". We were not suggesting this to the UN, but simply a means of attracting attention to a real problem (in case you have forgotten, that was Breast Cancer), through the bearing of slivers of skin. Who knew people could find bare skin so offensive? :roll:

We were not suggesting this to the UN, but simply a means of attracting attention to a real problem (in case you have forgotten, that was Breast Cancer), through the bearing of slivers of skin.

For people who aren't at all interested in suggesting the idea to the UN, you probably should've thought twice before introducing legislation via the proposal submitted by the Shalians.

All it takes is a bit of prodding from the other representatives about testicles and semantics, and all of the sudden there's a whole bunch of backpedaling going on.

Who knew people could find bare skin so offensive?

I suggest you not underestimate the members of this community in the future. Unless your prepared to give me a solid refutation of the arguments raised, there isn't much of a reason for this discussion to continue.

And on a completely seperate note . . .

Where'd Ben go?

We were not suggesting this to the UN, but simply a means of attracting attention to a real problem (in case you have forgotten, that was Breast Cancer), through the bearing of slivers of skin.

For people who aren't at all interested in suggesting the idea to the UN, you probably should've thought twice before introducing legislation via the proposal submitted by the Shalians. .

By "this" I meant we were not suggesting Full Nudity - and you want to talk to me about symantics? :lol:


I suggest you not underestimate the members of this community in the future. Unless your prepared to give me a solid refutation of the arguments raised, there isn't much of a reason for this discussion to continue.


I will certainly not underestimate the small-mindedness of some members, in future - rest assured! From now on we will be very "serious" - Goodness knows, we wouldn't want to offend people right off their moral high horses! :twisted:
Solid refutation to the argument: the fact that cleavage day is celebrated in at least one country that I know of - and nobody takes offence, cause they aren't that easily offended/scared of a bit of skin.


And on a completely seperate note . . .

Where'd Ben go?
Who's Ben?

This was fun - we should definitely do it again some time! :wink:

By "this" I meant we were not suggesting Full Nudity - and you want to talk to me about symantics?

Oh, silly me. I didn't realize that you were referring to that antecedent. I'll be more careful next time I wading through your pronouns and dangling modifiers.

Goodness knows, we wouldn't want to offend people right off their moral high horses!

It's a sad world we live in where people consider protecting the dignity of a gender to be the moral high ground. Yepp. I'm such a right-wing moralist douchebag, I support a woman's right to be seen as more than her chest.

Solid refutation to the argument: the fact that cleavage day is celebrated in at least one country that I know of - and nobody takes offence, cause they aren't that easily offended/scared of a bit of skin.

Counter-argument: the fact that in at least three countries that I know of, people are greviously offended by the way the holiday promotes the sexual objectification of women. We claim preponderance of the evidence.

Counter-argument: one person drives an SUV fueled by the hearts of innocent children, therefore it must be okay. This claim is obviously false. Just because there happens to be a minority opinion doesn't mean that the minority opinion is correct.

Who's Ben?

Now if only you visited other threads you'd know the answer to that question. I'll give you a hint: he works here.

Sincerely yours,
Daniel M. Hillaker
Minister of Foreign Affairs

* Decides Sophista is doing the best job, and simply adds :

1) Ah, sweet irony, I used testicles as a counter example, and get accused of proposing the "full monty". Now "they" ( The Show Your Girls, Girls ! Co-op ... :roll: ), are claiming cleavage is not shall we say, "full monty" either, yet, last I checked, both sets of organs were considered by many to be of similar class, that is sexual and private. And now, apparently, its okay to display one set to "educate" about cancer, yet not the other. Hmmm, I could lower myself and mention "concealed sexual discrimination and refusal to acknowledge a counter argument" but really, I'd rather just leave Diva-Rule's hipocrosy open to view to the undecided then stomp on it.

2) Moral high horse? Now there would be a good national animal..

Need-less to say, morality in referance to the deliefs of others is something certain people in this thread seem to have set out to ignore, as well as respect for the moral beliefs in certain faiths, yet now they seem to think their out and about for a bout of metaphorical jousting. Forgive me if I retire to the pavilion.

Last I checked, I was here to try to explain why many people may dislike this proposal, not to fall off of something ...

3) Sophista dear, about Ben, who works here, does he know Jack, who judging by rates of consumption, must live here ?

:wink:

- Le Représentant de Komokom.

Ministre Régional de Substance.
L'Ordre de Vaillant États.
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1) Ah, sweet irony, I used testicles as a counter example, and get accused of proposing the "full monty". Now "they" ( The Show Your Girls, Girls ! Co-op ... :roll: ), are claiming cleavage is not shall we say, "full monty" either, yet, last I checked, both sets of organs were considered by many to be of similar class, that is sexual and private. And now, apparently, its okay to display one set to "educate" about cancer, yet not the other. Hmmm, I could lower myself and mention "concealed sexual discrimination and refusal to acknowledge a counter argument" but really, I'd rather just leave Diva-Rule's hipocrosy open to view to the undecided then stomp on it.


:roll: There we go again - saying that things were said that were not said...this is more than just a little tiring. Did we ever suggest that women rip off the tops and run around in the semi-nude? Nope, never - that was what you thought (dare I say, assumed) we said, so I am not even going to bother with this anymore.
There are none as blind as those who choose not see (past their own noses, I might add).

Just as an ender: when you open up a magazine and the film stars and singers shown wear cleavage revealing tops, why doesn't anyone jump on their National animal (the moral horse) then?
OH! Because there is NOTHING wrong with cleavage, no matter how you want to look at it.

This is becoming a yawn.

( Sound of glass breaking, as a chair and then following it a copy of a certain proposal covered in red ink go flying from a window in a conferance hall several stories up in the U.N. building ... )

Okay, I will make my point nice and slowly, and just one last time. It might just be my typing and how I word things to be at blame. As my earlier example with testicles seemed to fail on you. Here we go :

There is nothing wrong with clevage.

Nothing wrong with it to you, or to me and several others here.

But our opinions as to where and when it is appropriate differ.

Many, many other people may and do find it offensive.

Due to religious faith or moral values stemming from some other root.

And your proposal literally smacks them in the face,

Disregarding their rights, moral values and culture,

By using International law.

I have tried to point out, where you seemed to see testicles,

Or "The Full-Monty" inappropriate.

Many people will see cleavage to be inappropriate.

This seems to be constantly ignored though.

...

There. Thats it. If that does not get through, then I give up.

- Le Représentant de Komokom.

Ministre Régional de Substance.
L'Ordre de Vaillant États.
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Aspirez a la legalite avec l'egalite

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What Komokom said. The UN is not in the business of trampling pointlessly on people's cultures.

This proposal is generally indicative of the ladette feminism trend, whose attempts at popularising end up undermining its aims.

Okay. If they're the Show Us Your Boobs Co-Op, can we be the Coalition Against Mammary Exploitation?

Whisper :

Deal. I'll go print off the placards. Right after I'm finished making the ones for :

" Society For The Elimination of Vagina Exploitation / Explosion. "

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- Le Représentant de Komokom.

Ministre Régional de Substance.
L'Ordre de Vaillant États.
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Aspirez a la legalite avec l'egalite

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Explosion? My.

Don't ask, semi-private joke stemming from me being unable to spell when I am completely sober. Lets just say I wrote exploitation as exploding, in the worse possible context, and will regret it till the day I shrug off this mortal coil.

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- Le Représentant de Komokom.

Ministre Régional de Substance.
L'Ordre de Vaillant États.
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Aspirez a la legalite avec l'egalite

<--- Not a Moderator, just a Know It All.