NationStates Jolt Archive


Nation Sovereignty

Imperial Galactica
10-05-2004, 21:39
Greetings to all honorable delegates. I've been in Model United Nations for three years, and I've decided to say something about these so-called 'resolutions' being passed here. THEY'RE ALL, REPEAT ALL, INFRINGING UPON ITEMS SUCH AS NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY!
Wiggywazoo
10-05-2004, 21:56
Pablovorsk
11-05-2004, 02:52
Members enter into the United Nations in the affirmation that there are some issues on which a unilateral stance should be made. This does create some issue with National Sovereignty, especially in the case of being held to resolutions that one voted against.

However, this is known when one enters the United Nations. A nation that becomes a member allows itself to be regulated by these resolutions, and tries to create its national sovereignty around the dictates of being a part of the United Nations.

If the Constitution of a given nation has difficulties reconciling the legislative role that the United Nations has here then you either need to redevelop/rethink those certain aspects of your constitution, or not join the UN.

At the very least, try not to post using capitals in the hope that your point will be gotten across. Construct an argument and convinced by it.
Free Outer Eugenia
11-05-2004, 02:58
'National Sovereignty' is a political construct, not a universal law of nature.
Mikitivity
11-05-2004, 03:19
Mikitivity
11-05-2004, 03:19
'National Sovereignty' is a political construct, not a universal law of nature.

The same could be said of "international diplomacy". The key difference is National Sovereignty *is* a reality in a world where you have diverse political and social cultures. Without the promise of sovereign bounderies, what self respecting ruler (democratic or despot) would GIVE AWAY some of his or her nation's power?

The original poster's observation is correct ... NationStates UN is not a Model UN. It is unique, but of course we can find this forum worthwhile as well. Give it a chance.

10kMichael
Free Outer Eugenia
11-05-2004, 03:47
National soveregnty exists only where there is the military might and economic clout to secure it. Transnatonal corporations and their tools (world bank, the IMF, the US government, etc) routinly violate so-called 'national sovereignty.'
Mikitivity
11-05-2004, 04:31
National soveregnty exists only where there is the military might and economic clout to secure it. Transnatonal corporations and their tools (world bank, the IMF, the US government, etc) routinly violate so-called 'national sovereignty.'

Care to explain nations like:

Luxembourg,
Liechenstein,
Andora,
Belgium,
Latvia,
Estonia,
etc.

Are they economic or military power houses? How many Flemish corporations are there? And yet their national sovereignty certainly is on par with that of nations ture economic power houses like the Netherlands or Germany.

While it is true that independence comes from one form of strength or another, the political reality is that in the post war era, borders are much more stable as far as from external influences. Changes now seem to be driven by internal conflicts: case in point Yugoslavia.

Michael
Ichi Ni
11-05-2004, 04:32
The UN is a body to help maintain peace between nations. While laws (resolutions) are passed to help maintain GLOBAL peace, it should not interfere with a Nation's right to govern their people.

It is this belief that the REAL UN can and does place nations in their eithical Committee that have committed violent acts against Humanity. Because they keep it within their borders and anyone who happens to leave their Nation is safe until they return.

However, here in this WORLD, the UN strives to 'instruct' nations on how to treat their citizens, their minorities, and which policies to adopt. Here the UN Strives to tell the Leaders of their Nation how to rule their nation.

Yes, we, the leaders, give up some choices when we join the UN, however, we are still the Leaders of our own Nations and what we do to our people (and not anyone elses) is our business.