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Come on, people. It should remain the responsibility of the individual Nation to control the manufacture and distribution of weaponry. Nobody has to remind you that if you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns.

This is a neo-americana tactic where honest and hardworking citizens have their individual rights to bear arms squeezed by some worldwide convention aimed to "curb illicit sales."

I believe, 100%, that individuals should be required to own firearms. Look at the Swiss! Every household containing a born Swiss is required by law to contain at least one firearm. How is the violent crime over there? Almost non-existent, you say?

Keep the rights of the nations where they belong. Vote NO on coercive gun control. Vote NO on this resolution.

--Telegai

Having just reviewed the proposal and reading the statements by its author, I have no reason to believe that this bill would limit civil rights in any way. This proposal instead provides a optional framework for eliminating black market small arms, a proposal that seems more than reasonable even to the very free spirited people of Paconia.

I fully support this proposal.

Having just reviewed the proposal and reading the statements by its author, I have no reason to believe that this bill would limit civil rights in any way. This proposal instead provides a optional framework for eliminating black market small arms, a proposal that seems more than reasonable even to the very free spirited people of Paconia.


Exactly!
The key words: Black Market.

Black market means illegal arms sales.

10kMichael

The Brilliant Sanctified Empire of Fieldism is dependent on the worldwide small arms trade to arm our local militias against invaders.

It is beyond the scope of our goverment to provide the neccesary protection to all 3 billion+ citizens of our empire.

If this resolution passes, it will be a great burden on my country and my people.

I urge you to vote against it.

The Brilliant Sanctified Empire of Fieldism is dependent on the worldwide small arms trade to arm our local militias against invaders.

It is beyond the scope of our goverment to provide the neccesary protection to all 3 billion+ citizens of our empire.

If this resolution passes, it will be a great burden on my country and my people.

I urge you to vote against it.
Is this legal in your country?

If so you are fine dear.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?

8) The People´s Republic of Rubberduckistan has nothing against banning the small arms sales, since we give AK for every member of our Glorious People´s Liberation Army free. :wink:

As far as I know, the resolution merely seeks to crack down on black market arms sales. If I recall correctly, it does not restrict LEGAL arms sales in any way.

Having just reviewed the proposal and reading the statements by its author, I have no reason to believe that this bill would limit civil rights in any way. This proposal instead provides a optional framework for eliminating black market small arms, a proposal that seems more than reasonable even to the very free spirited people of Paconia.

I fully support this proposal.

Then this is a pointless Resolution. A UN resolution should be legally binding, this resolution is not very resolute. If it is an optional framework then it is resigned to doing nothing but merely suggesting.

In which case it is invalid and should be overthrown.

Regards,

TNE

Why is there a need for resolution? Heck, anyone caught black-marketing small-, medium-, large-, humongously large arms are either shot (and made organ donors) here. Or if they are really lucky, they manage with 20 years in GULAG. 8)

But is it not an option frame-work only until its voted in ? :wink:

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It gives a standard. To me this is very useful.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?

It is the responsibility of every individual governement to control the use of arms, large or small, to the extent that they are able.
To put forth such a resolution is to deny the rights of the individual. If weapons were available to all who required them, as they are in Quasiquotidian, no black market would be needed, and the resolution would be invalid.
As such, we of the Free Land of Quasiquotidian publically voice our opposition, and call for all truly free countries to join with us.

--Agitatus, Dr. Clockwork, and Agog, self-styled Fates of Quasiquotidian, and Sunday's Voices

If I may intercede here really quickly, the resolutions seems to be no more than a framework or mandate which is going to be forced upon our countries and will have absolutley no economic backing with it or any other support of any kind. The individual countries need to decide how to handle these issues on their own and not have to listen to "Big Brother" telling them what to do. I have every faith in my police force to deal with this and will not go any farther to limiting my citizens freedoms. I urge everyone to vote against this unfunded mandate as it is purely an economic burden on our countries.

To put forth such a resolution is to deny the rights of the individual. If weapons were available to all who required them, as they are in Quasiquotidian, no black market would be needed, and the resolution would be invalid.
Yes, and if you've got no black market there's nothing to ban. But you have to realise that most countries have at least some restrictions on small arms - if only to say that you can't manufacture cheap and defective pistols that misfire and blow your arm off one time in ten. It's only polite to other nations to ensure that you don't become a source of this type of thing.

The individual countries need to decide how to handle these issues on their own and not have to listen to "Big Brother" telling them what to do. I have every faith in my police force to deal with this and will not go any farther to limiting my citizens freedoms. I urge everyone to vote against this unfunded mandate as it is purely an economic burden on our countries.
The black market for weaponry is a truly international issue, because these arms are traded internationally. If your police force are already able to deal with this, then the only way this will affect you is that they will have the cooperation and support of the international community.

Why outlaw guns? Increase prices instead! Take out some insanly high tax on guns, and and even more insane tax on bullets. That way, everyone can own a gun and ammo, if they can pay for it!

However, I have outlawed all guns in my country, even those meant for hunting. I haven't had a wildlife for the last 5 years or so (they were in the way of my uranium mines), so why own a hunting rifle?

But then again, this does not go for police officers. I mean, if the police are allowed to carry heavy firepower and concealed weapons, who would want trouble with them? (Oh no, the police! They've prolly' got gatling guns, run!)

This has absolutely nothing to do with outlawing guns. (Calling this thread 'small arms control' is a gross misrepresentation). Read the proposal.

If I may intercede here really quickly, the resolutions seems to be no more than a framework or mandate which is going to be forced upon our countries and will have absolutley no economic backing with it or any other support of any kind. The individual countries need to decide how to handle these issues on their own and not have to listen to "Big Brother" telling them what to do. I have every faith in my police force to deal with this and will not go any farther to limiting my citizens freedoms. I urge everyone to vote against this unfunded mandate as it is purely an economic burden on our countries.

From the proposal text:

5. ENCOURAGES the establishment of national programmes to combat the illicit transfer of small arms and ensure the collection thereof within the suggested parameters of paragraph 6 and invites the international community to render technical and financial support to strengthen the ability of States to take these actions;


Economic and manpower backing is included in the framework; your claims are moot.