NationStates Jolt Archive

In the interest of bringing the UN back to relevance within the world, and to solve the varied conflicts of interpretation of the UN's power, Lindim invites all delegates to join togther in drafting a resolution that would determine exactly what powers are granted to the UN, and by what means the UN may enforce its laws over Member States.

Many resolutions, including ones promoting an economic ideology, have been passed that numerous Member States do not obey, and may not even agree with. This is a reason the UN is sedate and powerless today.

A useful reference is the Resolution entitled "Rights and Duties of UN States," even though it is more about the rights than the duties.

Lindim looks foward to resolving this difficult issue.

Actually ... not a bad idea. If all of the various UN rules could be outlined into one proposal... and clarified to remove redundancy, conflicting rights, and obvious examples of over reaching legislation... it would be a benefit for all member nations. I'll begin comparing and contrasting all passed resolutions.... and I would hope other delegates would do the same.

Well, we got started. First, I am trying to separate national (drugs, labor unions) from the international issues (environment, terrorism, disease.)

If this is allowed, I think we can say that the past resolutions about drugs, spam, and similar issues are too far reaching into national policies. Second, the resolution "Passport Harmonisation" seems to overstep the UN powers.

In addition, does the UN have the power to dictate other nations military policies, ala "Fight the Axis of Evil?"

The hard part will be streamlining the other resolutions about terrorism, war, and diseases into a general rule.

Yes... clearly defined national issues would be a must... drugs, prostitution, wellfare, economic models, gun rights, self defense, rights of citizens.... (Save for basic human rights... which is .. in a sense... an international/UN issue..... slavery comes to mind, as does compulsory medical experiments on humans). When the UN has passed laws which we feel violate national sovregnity, we have had to restructure various aspects of our government.

Examples......

1. Gay marriage. Being that we feel it is not in the states interest to sanction relationships... we have removed government from the marriage business all together. Now, in the Theocracy of Psychotropics, marriage is simply a religious institution with no legal designation.

2. Subliminal Advertising.... rather than making a new Ministry of judging the subliminal content of advertisements..... we simply redefined all advertisements as corporate art.

3. If capital punishment is ever banned.... then we will simply deport criminals to international, shark infested waters via helicopter. ;)


Seeing how annoying it can be to do such things... it would be a major boon to all nations if the UN were more careful in how it crafts resolutions.

If the representative for Lindim would contact our nation via telegram.... the Theocracy of Psychotropics will help in drafting the proposal.

"Too far reaching" or not; they will remain binding upon member nations most likely.

"Too far reaching" or not; they will remain binding upon member nations most likely.
I would assume that, although we are not able to actually "repeal" existing resolutions, any contradiction among the terms of two or more resolutions would be yielded to the most recent resolution.

What would be nice (and yes, I know game mechanics proposals are a no-no) would be to have a UN constitution that would be the suppreme law, and a governing body that could strike down unconstitutional resolutions.

In any event, I would definately like to see a resolution that clearly defines the boundaries of the UN's powers, that at least we may be able to cite it the next time an overreaching proposal is debated.

I would be happy to assist in the drafting of this proposal as well.

Something like a UN charter?! Godforbid we create structure, clarity and not contradicting resolutions!

Well, I can't write this myself, even with an infinite amount of monkey typing on typewriters forever. I need ideas, because I really am having trouble on doing this while pleasing everyone.

*She coughs and makes a sound that sounds like Kelsekk, jokingly*

Anyways, I am having trouble on where to start. Any suggestions?

Psychotropics, I'm looking at you. :D

I would like to say that we can incorporate Kelsekk's "Economic Rights Act" into it, also with a clause mentioning the UN's role in war, and another one reconciling the "RBH" and the "RBH Replacement." The education clause should be relatively easy enough, the two resolution on it seem to agree easily enough. ;) So will the human rights clauses and the clauses about health.

I'll telegram you, Psychotropics, once I get the a clause or two done.

I sent a telegram to Pyschotropics, and because my computer is having trouble, he will post a copy of it here. It explains what I am doing now.

First off, I need somebody to summarize the "national" issues and somebody to summarize the environmental acts. I woudl prefer to get each one down to one clause or two.

The health acts could be summarized as:

The International Red Cross Organization, hereafter referred to as IRCO, should be deemed responsible for enforcing and carrying out all resolution referring to health issues or huminatarian aid. As of writing, this is providing vaccinations and medicine to those who cannot afford or have access to them, managing the World Blood Bank, providing aid to those in need, making sure the Wolfish Convention is fulfilled by all Member States, to carry out the Global AIDS Initiative, and assuring the mentally ill are treated fairly. The IRCO is funded only by donations and grants.

Obviously each little detail would be given a subsection to detail out a summary of what exactly that resolution is.

The education acts:

The UNEC, funded by the individual Member States, is in charge of making sure that every person under the age of eighteen can receive a free education, that all schools are safe, that all schools provide healthy lunches and extra-cirricular activities, and that the teahcers are well trained and the facilities and properly equiped.

The human rights clause will take very long to write, obviously.

National issues should be left up to the individual nations. I believe these include the following:
- Education
- Healthcare
- Economics
- Trade
- Non-military foreign policy
- Taxes
- Monetary Policy
- Political structure
- Voting
- Tangible Private Property Rights
- National Intellectual Property Rights (intellectual property created within a nation)
- Controlled Substances
- Environment


International issues to be handled in a limited fashion by the UN should include:
- War and Military Intervention
- Disaster Relief (seperate from general healthcare)
- Voluntary sanctions
- Human rights - Life and Liberty
- International Intellectual Property Rights (intellectual property created under another nation's laws)

Let me know if I've left anything off.

The first clause will detail the powers of the UN, the second will detail the rights of the nations, the third will detail their duties, the fourth will detail human rights, and this is the fifth, relating to health issues.

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4) The International Red Cross Organization, hereafter referred to as IRCO, is responsible for overseeing the execution of all resolutions relating to world health issues or humanitarian aid. As of writing, this includes management of the World Blood Bank, assuring that every nation fulfills the Wolfish Convention, carrying out the Global AIDS Initiative, providing medicine and vaccinations to those who want it, and providing aid to victims of wars, natural disasters, or plagues. The IRCO will be immune from hostilities during war and will be funded by donations or grants.
4a) The World Blood Bank is the organization that manages the collection of distribution of blood, donar organs, and similar medical necessities, culling the donations from every Member State.
4b) The Wolfish Convention is as it stands, applying only to conflicts involving at least one Member State, yet overrules local law determining the treatment of POWs.
4c) The Global AIDS Initiative is limited to only creating a fund witth which the IRCO may buy AIDS related drugs only, the education about HIV and AIDS in afflicted countries, and the testing for HIV positive blood in the World Blood Bank. No economic policies may be passed by the UN, as clarified in Clause 2.

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I need some volunteers to tidy this up and help me with the first four clauses, this appears to be a dead thread.

I'm going to summarize the Wolfish Convention, Kelssek's Economic Rights Act that is not yet submitted, the Rights and Duties of UN States, and the BioRights Declaration. The only time the UN has the right to interfere with national issues is when they present a clear and tangible threat to other nations. So no economic or political policies may be enforced by the UN. Kelssk, you're safe.

((OOC: Derrogi is a back up nation when my other nation, Lindim, is having trouble posting mesages.))

Whether a UN policy is 'economic' or not is very much up for debate. We'd regard Rights of Labour Unions, for instance, to be a civil-liberties issue, whereas others would see it as a political-freedoms or economic policy. While we agree that the UN shouldn't dictate economies, this should be careful that it doesn't outlaw any proposal that might be read as economy-influencing.

Can join this cause?

I'm currently tring to get a resolution to amend the UNEC created. To define it more as a helping hand. Check out that thread...

One problem is there is no enforcement. Some of the mods I 'talked' to are toying with the idea of assigning "enforcers" to help patrol and guide the UN Members. (how remains to be seen)

(word of warning, Becareful not to step into the realm of Changing game mechanics. perhaps the Mods can help us from stepping over that line.)

Richardelphia, One International issue some in my region would like included is National Rights (the right to rule their people as they see fit) Some feel that the UN is "cramming Democracy down their throats."

IMHO, don't do this via Telegram... Craft it in the forums, it will get other people's attention and concerns can be addressed right then and there before it's put in the proposal listing. (besides, if people feel they are being helpful and their contributions heard, the chances are greater they will support it.)

((OOC: I have to celebrate now, I am now a "Capitalist Paradise," which is what I was aiming for. Too make it even better, I am now eating the most delicious sandwich ever. Thought you all might have wanted to know.))

I need help with this one.

Rights and Powers of the UN:

1) The UN shall have the right to settle arguements between Members States or conflicts involving Member States, it shall have the right to give humanitarina aid to wheover it deems necessary, it shall have the right to embargos or economic sanctions on Member States that violate UN law or threaten world peqace and stability, it shall have the right to override a Member States national law on any matter when the policy followed by the nations is deemed a clear and tangible threat to world peace or stability or when in a clear violation of basic human rights, it shall have the power to make sure each Member State provides the basic rights for each human, it has the right to enforce UN law, and... We need more help on it's rights and powers.

1a) The basic human rights are detailed in the fourth clause, and adapted from previous UN legislation.

when eating a HUGE sandwich (now I'm getting hungry) use small bites.

Basically, as MC Hammer would say... Break it down.
For example

Rights and Powers of the UN:

1) The UN shall have the right to settle arguements between Members States or conflicts involving Member States
2) it shall have the right to give humanitarian aid to wheover it deems necessary
3) it shall have the right to embargos or economic sanctions on Member States that violate UN law or threaten world peace and stability
4) it shall have the right to override a Member States national law on any matter when the policy followed by the nations is deemed a clear and tangible threat to world peace or stability or when in a clear violation of basic human rights
5) it shall have the power to make sure each Member State provides the basic rights for each human,
6) it has the right to enforce UN law
, and... We need more help on it's rights and powers.
Suggestions
7) hold UN Delegates responsible for maintaining order between Member States within their region.
8) Maintain that UN Delegates ensures that Member States uphold UN Resolutions
(or is this giving them too much power?)

This can be on a different clause.
1a) The basic human rights are detailed in the fourth clause, and adapted from previous UN legislation.

Comments, critiques?

Thank you, I should have broken it up. However, I need a list of powers and rights of the UN. I may just have to use the real one. If anyone could help me, I would be much obliged.

n. All duties and rights not herein denied the member states, nor reserved to the United Nations, are the sole responsibility of the member states to legislate and enforce.

That's the most important one.

Good point!

Okay, sometime today or tomorrow a full draft shoul be up. THEN we can get kicking.

So no economic or political policies may be enforced by the UN. Kelssk, you're safe.

*Mr. Burns voice* Exxxcellent.

One national issue to add: firearms.

I will still be submitting my own proposal, however. Can't hurt.

His Holiness the Governor-General would like to direct this respected body's attention to `Expulsion From the United Nations', `http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142469'.

Each United Nations Member Nation is *required* to uphold and obey the United Nations Resolutions, yet the vacuum of enforcement powers combined with the absence of prescribed penalties make the United Nations a powerless and ineffective organization. The Dominion of North East Cathanistan would like to see this state, contradictoray to its very mission, resolved.

[signed]
The Bishop Fred al-Rubei of The Directorate of Foreign Relations of The Dominion of North East Cathanistan

In the *real world*, the UN has little power over Nations, it relies on self-reporting on human rights abuses, (look I'm really sorry Koffi Annan but you know I just accidentally demanded the deaths of all the supporters of the opposition party). NGOs do most of the hard work, the Security Council has alot of power, as it can apply sanctions and deploy peacekeepers in a region. If we can streamline the UN all the better. Lets get some control over those insane nations that persecute people for no particular reasons, except that they wear glasses (the Khmer Rouge).

La Voile

We have no substantial objection to this activity but we must take issue with Richardelphia's assertion that the environment is a national issue. It is inherently international and must be treated as such.

Art Randolph
Speaker for Legal Affairs