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It is proposed, that, the United Nations, place a ban on human cloning.

The reasons for such a ban, are as follows:

1. Human cloning takes away the sanctity of life.
If human cloning is allowed, then when it is more fully developed, it may come to the point at which human beings, are “grown” on laboratory farms; the purpose of this being to create a large work force or army for use later on, or to harvest their organs for the benefit of non-cloned human beings. Human being simply become vegetables, to be grown, harvested, and then tossed aside when used up.

2. Resulting prejudice against human clones. If human cloning is allowed, it is very
If human cloning is allowed, it is very likely that when there are many clones
on the earth, non-clones will harbor great prejudice against clones. The world
does not need any more prejudices.

3. National security of the world.
Although it is highly unlikely, it is possible that various groups, might attempt to clone a nation’s leader, and using growth-acceleration technology, make the clone as old as that particular leader, and then replace him.

4. Disruption to the gene pool.
It has been found with cloned animals, that the clone is usually much weaker than the its genetic parent. If human cloning was allowed, then various genetic aberrations, and mutations, would be introduced into the human gene pool. This could be exceedingly catastrophic, especially seeing as someone might make the attempt, to introduce deadly genetic diseases into the genome.


This proposal would not ban:

1. The cloning of individual human organs.

2. The cloning of animals, and plants.

3. Gene therapy.

4. Anti-genetic disease supplements.


Please vote for this proposal. It is of significant consequence to the human race. And if you have any suggestion, I am open.


Speedyard

We're already into cloning, and the main problem is that I meet myself coming and going. That, and it puts a new spin on "double dating".

To pass this proposal now, after our nation has been voting in the daily isues to authorize this practice for tthe past en months, would be highly disruptive.

If you sleep with a clone of yourself is it masturbation, incest or homosexuality?

I can't support a cloning ban on organs and genetic therapy . . . there I feel like we can make a scientific breakthrough w/o violating the sancitiy of life

I can't support a cloning ban on organs and genetic therapy . . . there I feel like we can make a scientific breakthrough w/o violating the sancitiy of life

Ehhh. I'm afraid I'll have to disagree fairly strongly.

If human cloning is allowed, then when it is more fully developed, it may come to the point at which human beings, are “grown” on laboratory farms; the purpose of this being to create a large work force or army for use later on, or to harvest their organs for the benefit of non-cloned human beings. Human being simply become vegetables, to be grown, harvested, and then tossed aside when used up.


First, human clone armies simply do not work. Why? Because they're no better or cheaper than non-cloned armies, and you have to waste all that effort to clone them. You still have to feed them, train them, arm them, and pay them -- the resource expenditure for a large group of clones is comparitively equal to or higher than that of a comparable group of non-clones; ergo, clones are uneconomical for such purposes. Second, cloned humans are still humans and would still be accorded human rights; stealing their organs would still be illegal.

If human cloning is allowed, it is very likely that when there are many clones on the earth, non-clones will harbor great prejudice against clones. The world does not need any more prejudices.

Right. And we should ban all the black people because they cause racism. That would solve everything. Better yet, why don't we get rid of those pesky Jews and all their discrimination problems?

Although it is highly unlikely, it is possible that various groups, might attempt to clone a nation’s leader, and using growth-acceleration technology, make the clone as old as that particular leader, and then replace him.

If you honestly think that's a legitimate threat, I pity you.

It has been found with cloned animals, that the clone is usually much weaker than the its genetic parent. If human cloning was allowed, then various genetic aberrations, and mutations, would be introduced into the human gene pool. This could be exceedingly catastrophic, especially seeing as someone might make the attempt, to introduce deadly genetic diseases into the genome.

Cloning research is underway -- that means it's not done and that you can't draw final conclusions yet. The original designs for guns backfired quite often; did the Europeans decide to ban guns because they backfired? No. They decided to fix them to stop the backfiring. Further, cloning, the exact replication of a human's genes, obviously could not introduce any new diseases into the human gene pool -- if the threat you're trying to address is malicious genetic modification, you would do better to address the threat of malicious genetic modification.

If you sleep with a clone of yourself is it masturbation, incest or homosexuality?

Heck if I know. A clone of someone would be quite similar to an indentical twin of that person. Quite so, in fact, because identical twins do share the exact same genome. Does that mean they aren't people? Apparently some would have us think so.

If you sleep with a clone of yourself is it masturbation, incest or homosexuality?

oh that's easy...it'd be....no wait.....yes it would be-no that doen't work....uhhh....uh.....

*head explodes*

If you sleep with a clone of yourself is it masturbation, incest or homosexuality? Incest you moron its your twin actually

1. Human cloning takes away the sanctity of life.
If human cloning is allowed, then when it is more fully developed, it may come to the point at which human beings, are “grown” on laboratory farms; the purpose of this being to create a large work force or army for use later on, or to harvest their organs for the benefit of non-cloned human beings. Human being simply become vegetables, to be grown, harvested, and then tossed aside when used up.

Now you think about that and its really pretty Matrix-y isnt it? I mean they have human "fields" where they grow and harvest them for an energy source....yeah creepy

Em

Better yet, why don't we get rid of those pesky Jews and all their discrimination problems?

"If I may say so, your Honor, it's to bad you're not a Jew."~Tevye, Fiddler on the Roof

Heh heh, silly Jewish dogs.

No, I do not really believe clone armies or, cloning national leaders would be a threat, because first we would have to discover growth acceleration.

And as for prejudice, I betcha people would be prejudiced against a human clone, if they kne w a person was one. And as for banning people of other races, that is irrelevant, and it would be idiotic, immoral, and wrong to do so.

This proposal would fully support the Bio-rights resolution (if it passes), and would not be intended for anti-clonism.

If you can think of some more reasons why human cloning ought to be banned, or ways that the reasons I already have can be improved, I would very much appreciate it.

And as for prejudice, I betcha people would be prejudiced against a human clone, if they kne w a person was one. And as for banning people of other races, that is irrelevant, and it would be idiotic, immoral, and wrong to do so.

I'd hardly say it's irrelevant. You say clones should be banned because people might be prejudiced against them; it is a logical extension of that argument that members of racial and religious minorities should also be banned because they, too, are the subjects of prejudice and discrimination. If you, like most sane people and as you say, believe that banning a group of human beings because of potential discrimination is immoral and wrong, you may want to take a good look at your argument.

I admit that perhaps that was not a good reason to place in the proposal, so thanks, because, ya'll are helping me to see how my proposal could be better.

If it does not pass, I shall revise it, utilizing your feedback.

Your proposal is speaking of real life human cloning as though it is the same thing as Sci-Fi human cloning.

Clone "armies" aren't possible since cloned humans still must develop within a mother's womb. We might as well stop robot development, since we are probably closer to developing the technology to build robot armies than we are to the technology to build clone armies.

Secondly, it is not obvious what sorts of potential problems are possible with prejudice against clones, and I'm not going to take your word for it that it is so obvious. Did you get this out of some dystopian science fiction?

The threat against national security is rediculous. There is no such thing as "growth acceleration technology"- again, is this from science fiction? It sounds like it.

Still, Bootai-Bootai agrees that there are ethical issues that must be dealt with. These are currently national debates going on in Bootai-Bootai with regard to these issues. It is still not clear whether any of these issues are best dealt with on a national or global level.