NationStates Jolt Archive

Lately, a high slate of proposals supporting public nudity, permissable drug use for recreational purposes, and other more superfluous proposals are making their way to the United Nations flow.

These proposals are NATIONAL, not INTERNATIONAL, issues; thus, they should not be debated and brought up before the UN body.

With issues such as poverty, famine, and disease effecting EVERY nation, whether members of the UN or not, are an everyday struggling - these are the issues that should be brought up before the United Nations daily.

Wasting time debating whether or not all "hot girls" are nude in public or why all teenagers should be able to "smoke pot' whenver they feel are IRRELEVANT to the global state of affairs.

Take it elsewhere, or leave the UN, this body does not have time to deal with immature nations trying to make a name for themselves through useless proposals and their subsequent debate.

Agreed with the concept.... though the elitist tone is annoying :P

Dude, the UN has lost it's power. It's now just a place where some kid makes a law that everyone else would definatly vote for like "Free booze for everyone" or "Free porn 24/7"

Dude, the UN has lost it's power. It's now just a place where some kid makes a law that everyone else would definatly vote for like "Free booze for everyone" or "Free porn 24/7"

Agreed.

Agreed with the concept.... though the elitist tone is annoying :P

OOC: Yeah, I know, but my country's President (Jamie Huntington) is a political elitist, and on this forum, I post IC. :lol:

Good enough for me :)

This should be a sticky thread btw...

Good enough for me :)

This should be a sticky thread btw...

Eh, one can hope someday...

I totally agree with you. While I just became part of the U.N., I noticed a lot of useless proposals, both in the message board and on the lists. It almost makes me want to resign just because of all the junk being thrown out there.

/rant

I think this irresponsibility with proposals is the reason why it's so easy to pass a resolution. UN members no longer take the idea of a UN seriously, because so much "junk" is allowed through.

I like the silly proposals, if we will all just step back from the keyboard for a second and remember that this is a game, and should be fun, and the rules state, No Real world proposals, well if we cannot also have silly ones then why even allow people to submit them.

I think the silly or funny proposals serve a purpose.
and people who bash them are part of why I dont endorse.

that and all the stupid ones that get passed that mess up my tax rate and economy.

I would like to point out to fellow members the previously passed resolution entitled freedom of humour.

Granted, there is a lot of rubbish submitted, but we should not be overreacting by flaming member states whose humour we might not appreciate.

What needs to be done (and what seems to be done more effectively recently) is for delegates to take their role more seriously and prevent the frivilous from reaching quorum.

I'm sorry, but I persist in my belief that the world would be a better place if it were raining pancakes.

In fairness, so-called 'useless' proposals tend not to make quorum. So no harm is done. We can't stop people proposing rubbish, just work hard to ensure that it isn't passed.

I like the silly proposals, if we will all just step back from the keyboard for a second and remember that this is a game, and should be fun, and the rules state, No Real world proposals, well if we cannot also have silly ones then why even allow people to submit them.

I think the silly or funny proposals serve a purpose.

Silly proposals, perhaps. But there are also several gazillion proposals banning/promoting drugs use, banning gay people, forcing gay marriages, forcing people to carry guns, forbidding guns...

Together with the amount of very badly worded proposals, it gets more and more difficult to find a decent proposal to support. They're there, but together they'd fill perhaps 1 page, with 20 pages of silliness and uselesness. That is out of proportion.

The issues you raise, public nudity and drug use, are certainly international in nature.

The religion of Fieldism demands nudity of its followers, every country that refuses the right of the Fieldist faithfull to disrobe publicly is part of an international anti-religious conspiracy, and this I will not stand for.

Drug use is mainly internationalized due to issues relating to the cross-border drug trade from pro-drug nations to anti-drug nations.
We could save vast sums of money, that could be used for "important" issues like stamping out poverty if so much time was not wasted on drug enforcement.

That said, Tuesday Heights is a perfect example of the good that could be achieved if you all would support my "Lobotomize Insane Rulers" proposal.

I like the silly proposals, if we will all just step back from the keyboard for a second and remember that this is a game, and should be fun, and the rules state, No Real world proposals, well if we cannot also have silly ones then why even allow people to submit them.

"No real world proposals" refers to things, if taken quite literally, as real life trade embargos, country resolutions, and war declarations. There's no reason why ALL UN proposals have to have nothing to do with the world within the confines of NationStates.

The UN is here to help the country's of NS, not turn their backs to them, and pass silly resolutions 9/10.

That said, Tuesday Heights is a perfect example of the good that could be achieved if you all would support my "Lobotomize Insane Rulers" proposal.

You know nothing of how I run my country, therefore, you cannot declare me an insane ruler. :roll:

What needs to be done (and what seems to be done more effectively recently) is for delegates to take their role more seriously and prevent the frivilous from reaching quorum.

Delegates do need to take a more active role, most do not, but I most certainly do.

It's these idiotic nations such as "AbsolutelyNowhereLand", and "Terrorismz" that make senseless proposals like "GEEZERS WASTE MONEY". If only there were some way where only serious nations could become members of the U.N., and not these mindless brats.

The best way to get a n00b UN proposal maker to stop is to report a proposal that violates the rules via the Getting Help (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) page. Three bad proposals and it's ejection time.

This has been an OOC post.

The best way to get a n00b UN proposal maker to stop is to report a proposal that violates the rules via the Getting Help (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) page. Three bad proposals and it's ejection time.

Unfortunately, they still get through, even if reported. Nations still vote for them, and they make the floor.

Roycelandia has given up on the UN- there is so much crap in there, and so many n00bie nations, that it's almost impossible for a "Proper" resolution (not necessarily 'serious', but 'appropriate') to get passed.

I note that No resolutions have made anything like Quorum in ages, and there are 27 pages of proposals to wade through at the moment, most of them ranging in quality from "Not bad" to "Complete n00bie crap".

None of them are likely to reach quorum, which begs the question: Why bother with the NS UN at all?

Yay, yet again the Glorious Nation of Bahgum commends Tuesday Heights and awards the coveted and most competed for 'Seriously Dull Golden Slippers' award. Only awarded to those who single mindedly fight fun and frivolity in order to inflict real life events onto a make believe world.

Variety is good, yes there is some juvenile crap, but then, hey, don't read it, and don't dismiss those of us who play the game for a laugh.

Sir Albert of Bahgum

Variety is good, yes there is some juvenile crap, but then, hey, don't read it, and don't dismiss those of us who play the game for a laugh.

I never dismised you for wanting the fake stuff here.

Lately, a high slate of proposals supporting public nudity, permissable drug use for recreational purposes, and other more superfluous proposals are making their way to the United Nations flow.

These proposals are NATIONAL, not INTERNATIONAL, issues; thus, they should not be debated and brought up before the UN body.

Take it elsewhere, or leave the UN, this body does not have time to deal with immature nations trying to make a name for themselves through useless proposals and their subsequent debate.

*standing up and clapping*

Though there is a NationStates forum for these issues ... the "Got Issues?" forum.

If you want to make a way for nations to decide on how to deal with domestic issues, you can submit an issue to the game. There is a forum just for that and people who will help you there.

I've submitted a few nations of my own:

- Vector Control (basically wetland management)
- Comic Book Censorship (think Marvel comics)

I did not bring either of these issues to the UN, because they clearly do not have international standing. But both are very real world problems. Many of us live in nations where we don't realize it, but comic books have been censored and wetlands are managed. The point of an issue is to decide on a nation by nation bias how to best manage wetlands or censor comic books (or in some cases to not censor or manage). :)

That said, if you need help making an issue, please go to the Got Issues forum. If you are finding that forum hard to use, I'll go ahead and invite you to visit my region's (the North Pacific) forum and use my region as a starting grounds for your idea. I'll certainly throw in my two cents worth of ideas.

Keep in mind, that making issues is fun. I had a lot of support and positive feedback on my "Comics Code Authority" issue. I just can't wait to see if it makes it in the rotation of current NationStates issues. You'll love it too. :)

10kMichael

Lately, a high slate of proposals supporting public nudity, permissable drug use for recreational purposes, and other more superfluous proposals are making their way to the United Nations flow.

These proposals are NATIONAL, not INTERNATIONAL, issues; thus, they should not be debated and brought up before the UN body.

Take it elsewhere, or leave the UN, this body does not have time to deal with immature nations trying to make a name for themselves through useless proposals and their subsequent debate.

*standing up and clapping*

Though there is a NationStates forum for these issues ... the "Got Issues?" forum.

If you want to make a way for nations to decide on how to deal with domestic issues, you can submit an issue to the game. There is a forum just for that and people who will help you there.

I've submitted a few issues of my own:

- Vector Control (basically wetland management)
- Comic Book Censorship (think Marvel comics)

I did not bring either of these issues to the UN, because they clearly do not have international standing. But both are very real world problems. Many of us live in nations where we don't realize it, but comic books have been censored and wetlands are managed. The point of an issue is to decide on a nation by nation bias how to best manage wetlands or censor comic books (or in some cases to not censor or manage). :)

That said, if you need help making an issue, please go to the Got Issues forum. If you are finding that forum hard to use, I'll go ahead and invite you to visit my region's (the North Pacific) forum and use my region as a starting grounds for your idea. I'll certainly throw in my two cents worth of ideas.

Keep in mind, that making issues is fun. I had a lot of support and positive feedback on my "Comics Code Authority" issue. I just can't wait to see if it makes it in the rotation of current NationStates issues. You'll love it too. :)

10kMichael

Hi, is this where we post our useless proposals?

It's not?

But the title...


All right, I'm going away now...

Unfortunatly, those useless proposals will be voted in should they sound sufficently "preppy" enough.

The same care for the Issues should be given to the resolutions. after all, I cannot imagine all Issues submitted being accepted. yet vague, badly written and even contradictory resolutions get past and voted in to stay.

disheartening I can assure you.