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begging for trouble with this issue :P

Hmmm, on that note, New Ruthenia, :wink:

It is usually the fact that such a "hot" issue is usually resolved by the United Nations keeping well clear of it.

Because quite frankly, if one "side" attempts to get an resolution through, the other side would mobilise and defeat it, and vice-versa. So we keep well out of it and leave individual nations to decide on what is at heart a localised, moral issue, rather then one of global legislation. At least, that seems to be the usual resolving argument, correct me if I am wrong.

- The Rep of Komokom, RMoS.

no correction needed as far as I can tell ;)

We belive that it is one's choice to decide if one wants to give up thier child to a horrible death or not.

You know, a FETUS is not a human being. It is a freakin' parasite. It cannot survive without gaining nutrition from the mother. The mother is losing nutrition the mother would have for herself, to keep the FETUS from "dying". Besides, how do you call something slightly bigger than the next quoted word I type to be "human"?

Just my 2 centz.

You know, a FETUS is not a human being. It is a freakin' parasite. It cannot survive without gaining nutrition from the mother. The mother is losing nutrition the mother would have for herself, to keep the FETUS from "dying". Besides, how do you call something slightly bigger than the next quoted word I type to be "human"?

Just my 2 centz.

And adults are parasites that cannot live without feeding off of mother earth. So what's your point ?

We belive that it is one's choice to decide if one wants to give up thier child to a horrible death or not.

nice little embedded propaganda. how do you really feel? :P

How about an alternative proposal:

Enforce that no nation may restrict a woman (or man) from travelling to another nation to receive any medical procedure, inclusive of terminating a pregnancy.

Furthermore, no nation may prosecute a woman (or man) from having any procedure performed on his or her body. Much more general, reinforces each individual's rights, while permitting a government to set laws regarding women's rights.

ooc: http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=regressive

With all the medical advancements today to prevent having an unwanted pregnancy, I mean jeeze, you can get nor-plants and not worry about it for 3 years, or get a shot and not worry about it for a few months, I am sure that I don't need to list the types there are, knowing that this is all stuff we learned in school. So that is why I don't believe that abortion should be an issue. It clearly should be outlawed. In the past 30 years of abortion being leagal there have been dramatic steps to keep young women and men informed on the use of birth control and the types available, we learn in middle school about them and also throughout high school. While there has only been one advancement on the termination of a pregnancy, the "day after pill" other then that the same barbaric methods are implemented, and always have been. I believe there is no excuse for an unwanted pregnancy, and I know that every one will bring up rape and incest, for that, there is always adoption, and 9 months is not a very long time.
Yes, I do know that I will be crucified for my beilefs. But Gun Bearing Pot Smoker will never change our stance on this issue. So, go ahead, blast away. Tell me how wrong you believe I am, and be thankful to your own mother for not having you sucked out of her womb.

*Checks watch*

Hmm, thought it had been a while since this little number had come up. So, where's the 'ban gay marriage' thread?

We belive that it is one's choice to decide if one wants to give up thier child to a horrible death or not.

nice little embedded propaganda. how do you really feel? :P

We belive that it is one's choice to decide if one wants to give up thier child to a horrible death or not. I my self belive that it is wrong...but my people have spoken.

With all the medical advancements today to prevent having an unwanted pregnancy, I mean jeeze, you can get nor-plants and not worry about it for 3 years, or get a shot and not worry about it for a few months, I am sure that I don't need to list the types there are, knowing that this is all stuff we learned in school. So that is why I don't believe that abortion should be an issue. It clearly should be outlawed. In the past 30 years of abortion being leagal there have been dramatic steps to keep young women and men informed on the use of birth control and the types available, we learn in middle school about them and also throughout high school. While there has only been one advancement on the termination of a pregnancy, the "day after pill" other then that the same barbaric methods are implemented, and always have been. I believe there is no excuse for an unwanted pregnancy, and I know that every one will bring up rape and incest, for that, there is always adoption, and 9 months is not a very long time.
Yes, I do know that I will be crucified for my beilefs. But Gun Bearing Pot Smoker will never change our stance on this issue. So, go ahead, blast away. Tell me how wrong you believe I am, and be thankful to your own mother for not having you sucked out of her womb.

Ahh if it was only that simple. Yes there have been impovements to prevent pregnancy, however, many try to stifle such information with the thought of "if they know about it, then they will do it."

There have also been advancements to terminating a pregnancy but I doubt you really look into that stuff so your statement is ill-informed.

You should also look into why women have abortions.

If you had bothered to check, you might find that "not ready for children," rape and incest are low compared to the larger reason: Terminal disease and terminal dibilitating diseases(Cystic fibrosis and Downs syndrome).

For example, my mother-in-law had one daughter who had CF. She lived all off 2 weeks under machinery and heavily drugged. She once told me that she felt her daughter never knew she was there and saw no sign of recognition.

This event has plauged her all her life.

Adoption is nothing more then a panacea. I would be more in your camp if I heard the orphaneges were empty and people were crying about wanting to adopt and there were no children.

Adoption is not as simple you imply. I have friends who want a baby. The woman's uterus is bad. They had a line on 2 and the womem changed their minds right after delivery.

Finally, look into the reasons women choose abortion rather then taking a supercilious stance.

Abortion is not as easy a choice as you imply.

You know, a FETUS is not a human being. It is a freakin' parasite. It cannot survive without gaining nutrition from the mother.

Just my 2 centz.

Guys, I really need to point somthing out. I know a Fetus may look and seem TOTALLY dead and insignificant. But from what your saying, I've drawn a couple conclusions.

1. A new born baby is just a larger version of this "parasite", and isn't a human, since it requires it's mothers milk in order to survive.

2. A toddler is just another, bigger, "parasite", seeing how it needs someone to teach it what it needs to know in order to survive this mess of a world. Thus it isn't human since it is dependant on someone or somthing else.

3. Finally, based on what you're saying, The status of "human" cannot be attained by anyone. I am just a parasite, and so are you, because we rely on food and water for survival.

So as you can see, this theory could annihalate society as we know it. This means I could walk up to somebody, shoot them in the head, walk away and not feel the slightest bit guilty, because all I did was kill an "insignificant parasite"

Protect Abortion I would def. defend.

Because If I ever got a girl pregnant before I was ready to care for a child, I'd beg her to get an abortion.

So in other words that child would have to die for your mistake?

Well all you who have played this game for a long while know my side of the story! the veritas if you will

So in other words that child would have to die for your mistake?

The unborn child would have to not exist yet. I believe in fate and reincarnation to an extent, thus my liberal perspective on abortion.

And who said it was a mistake? It was sex? So what? The mistake would be the condom manufacturers creating such a crappy product.

You know, a FETUS is not a human being. It is a freakin' parasite. It cannot survive without gaining nutrition from the mother. The mother is losing nutrition the mother would have for herself, to keep the FETUS from "dying". Besides, how do you call something slightly bigger than the next quoted word I type to be "human"?

Just my 2 centz.

haha, good point, it is parasitic to an extent.

So basically it's "not as big of a deal" if you die? (I'm seriously asking, because I want to know your opinion.)

Furthermore, no nation may prosecute a woman (or man) from having any procedure performed on his or her body. Much more general, reinforces each individual's rights, while permitting a government to set laws regarding women's rights.

I kind of agree with the first part of your idea, even though I am strongly pro-life and would, if given the chance, illegalize abortion in Vivelon, but I am also strongly for people to have a say in stuff, even though I would never condone it. To get the left wing (or is it right wing, I really don't pay enough attention to that stuff) off my case for being a conservative nutbag, which I am not (gay marriage all the way!), I will agree to the first part about allowing people to leave the country to have their child murdered.

However, this section confuses me. Are you saying I couldn't prosecute them if they leave the country to have the baby-murdering done? Or, as it sort of sounds, that I can't prosecute them regardless of where, which then defeats the purpose of the first part of the pidea.

And, whatever happened to Morality Bytes?

what a dumn comment vivelon "gay marriage all the way"? i mean c'mon how can you support something that does'nt exist? (waiting for vivelon to come back yelling b.s...........)

hmm...pro choice or pro life...it's an interesting subject. In all honesty abortion disgusts me, the taking of ANY life disgusts me. Killing your child is not the way to go, it's immoral and disgusting. Now that being said I am pro choice because it is not my place to tell a woman what she can and can not do with her body and unborn baby. I think Voltaire(?) said it best when he said "I do not agree with what you say, but i will support, to the death, your right to say it."

The nice thing to do would be to let someone like my buddy komokom point this out to you, but you're a moron OP

gay marriage all the way!

what a dumb comment, how can you support something that does not exist?

This is NS we're talking about, and in the NS UN, it does exist and is a protected fundamental right. And in real life, they're working on it. I'm not gonna figure out why it should be allowed considering that we're talking about abortion here, but I know I'm for it.

u cant b for something that doesnt exist, and your own religion says is immoral disgraceful to God, and is a mortal sin.

The simple truth is that life begins at conception. The debate lies in whether or not it's alright to violently kill a tiny human who resides in the womb of a woman who decides not to carry out a pregnancy.

Is it a proper decision to allow infanticide based on the whims of a woman or not ?
(I am not using any euphamisms intentionally. I'll never call infantacide "reproductive rights".)

I think Abortion is morally repugnant. Do I think the state should outlaw the practice ? I am still undecided. But I definately think that no state should ever be forced to PAY for infantacide.

The simple truth is that life begins at conception. The debate lies in whether or not it's alright to violently kill a tiny human

Thank you! It's nice to know that SOMEONE on this forum agrees with me.

Protect Abortion I would def. defend.

Because If I ever got a girl pregnant before I was ready to care for a child, I'd beg her to get an abortion.

amen. hell, i can barely dress myself let alone some little booger eater calling me daddy. I wouldn't want some kid to have me as the daddy. sheesh.

*backs out of thread slowly before more hell is unleashed*

u cant b for something that doesnt exist, and your own religion says is immoral disgraceful to God, and is a mortal sin.

Not that it's relevant to the thread, but you think that instead of leading happy and healthy lives, God wants gays to sit around with some priest and be condemned for something that they had no choice about? What sick religion are we talking about here? I am Catholic, and what does catholic mean? Last time I checked, it meant "open to all" so why the fuck do you judge the gays. I'm the only Roman Catholic here who is actually catholic. Geez, OP, you wonder why people here hate traditonal Catholics like you? It's because you're a fucking hypocrite. If God didn't want people to be gay, why do you think he would make them gay? Don't give me any of this BS about punishment for sins of the father. If the father was the sinner, he's burning in Hell or languishing in purgatory for it now. The God I thought our Church followed wouldn't pull something like that. He made them gay because He wanted them gay.

You call gay marriage a healthy life?

And yet thousands of humans die every day. Isnt it also your fault for not doing anything to protect them. These are also people. Why are people so insistant about abortion and not about othr deaths equally preventable?

Would you more support a resolution banning abortion or protecting abortion? I might submit a proposal on this topic.

I would seek laws protecting abortion under the categories of privacy & liberty. Any law seeking to outlaw or limit abortion is and always will be a step in the wrong direction.

Incidentally, being "pro-choice" to me also includes, the right to euthanasia, the right to drug use, the right to carry firearms, the right to or not to enlist in the military...all choices and such should be left as choices, without government interference. Socialism and authoritarianism are BAD THINGS for societies.

Hail Eris!

You call gay marriage a healthy life?

You seem confused. Let me help you.

1. Being gay is a life.

2. Moving to Boca Raton and buying a condo is a lifestyle.

Glad I could be of service.

Hail Eris!

Hail Eris!

All hail Discordia! :wink: