NationStates Jolt Archive

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Please approve the proposal of an officially regonized Jewish state. Lets protect the world's Jewish population, and let them live in peace and happiness.

Please approve the proposal - for the safety of Jews everywhere.

You typed 'Jewish Europe' in the name field when you were creating your nation, right? Your nation managed to get created, right? Hey presto - your nation's been recognised. Congratulations.

How do we approve the proposels? This sounds like a good idea and I am definatley behind you on this one.

How do we approve the proposels? This sounds like a good idea and I am definatley behind you on this one.

You've got to be a UN delegate first. Ordinary members have to wait until a proposal passes the first stage and becomes a resolution to vote on it.

Ignoring that fact that Jewish states can be created and already exist, how come only the Jews should get their own state? What about Mormons? Satanists? Shcizophrenics? Homophobic misogynists?

No one is stopping you trying to create an official Mormon state. However, I don't think the Mormons have been persecuted throughout history as much as us Jews.

I have no problem with a Jewish state. However, I see no reason for this UN (note the 'this') to legislate for such a state.

Creating official states for any type of person, etc., does not seem to be what the UN should be about. It should be about bringing nations together in understanding universal rights - not about separating them based on creed, religion or race.

No one is stopping you trying to create an official Mormon state. However, I don't think the Mormons have been persecuted throughout history as much as us Jews.

P.S. Past persecution does not automatically grant one citizen more rights than another. You would need another reason than past persecution to convince me an 'official state' sanctioned by the UN was necessary. The UN should not get bogged down in deciding which is the 'official' official state.

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You are already a member of the UN, thus you have already been recognised by this body, thus we do not need to waste time explaining to newbie nations why this is a stupid proposal, thus we can get on with our lives and discuss something meaningful.

I agree. In thi setting a Jewish state makes no sense. I will not be voting for it if it gets out of committee. Sorry, I am a Jew Myself, but no.

I really don't think we need to have a proposal for a Jewish State.

What if more jewish nations come in and they want to be the official Jewish state? This can just cause some unrest in the world and possible wars.

NO to Official Jewish State.

It's not in our nationl interest. So no. :D

Why not create a region called "Zion" and region pimp it in the other forums ?

This isn't best handled by a UN resolution. Being mandated by a permanent UN resolution would effectively give the state give the state a special status that knocks it out of parity with other nations.

Also, there are other ethnic groups that might argue that they have been persecuted as much as or more than the Jews. Should we give all these groups special UN-mandated states as well? What is the UN's duties regarding these special states? What powers do these states have in international affairs (e.g. can they declare war)? These are very complex issues, and if there was a clearer, more specific reason why these states should exist then the answers to these questions would be more self-evident. As it is, there is no clear, specific reason for a special UN-mandated state. If normal Jewish states or Jewish populations within non-Jewish states have any major problems with human rights abuses, political freedoms, etc. then these problems should be dealt with in a conventional manner.

Why not create a region called "Zion" and region pimp it in the other forums ?

The region of Zion exists with 36 nations, with a delegate from Vernicate.

As for the original proposal, we cannot accept it- as there are many Jewish states, it is imperative that none are made the "official" one.

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You are already a member of the UN, thus you have already been recognised by this body, thus we do not need to waste time explaining to newbie nations why this is a stupid proposal, thus we can get on with our lives and discuss something meaningful.

Please don't patronise me. I don't appreciate it.

I agree that a lot of you have very valid points. However, I still believe that the Jewish race should be represented by one body, but maybe this is best taken up with other Jewish nations rather than the United Nations as a whole.

OOC: Don't be so hard on yourself. You're new and I understand that. It's just that the NationStates world is different from the "real" world- all you need to do here is create a nation and you have a state. It's not like the "real" world where an oppressed people need the help of the U.N. to find a home because they can't create a nation with the ease they have here.

I agree that a lot of you have very valid points. However, I still believe that the Jewish race should be represented by one body, but maybe this is best taken up with other Jewish nations rather than the United Nations as a whole.

As previously suggested, you'd be best to start a region and recruit like-minded fellow nations. As also previously stated, this isn't a NS UN issue.

Hello
Please approve the proposal of an officially regonized Jewish state. Lets protect the world's Jewish population, and let them live in peace and happiness.

Please approve the proposal - for the safety of Jews everywhere.

IF, this were a NS UN issue the Confederacy of Alphared could not support such a resolution as it violates our belief in total freedom of religion.

Hello
Please approve the proposal of an officially regonized Jewish state. Lets protect the world's Jewish population, and let them live in peace and happiness.

Please approve the proposal - for the safety of Jews everywhere.

IF, this were a NS UN issue the Confederacy of Alphared could not support such a resolution as it violates our belief in total freedom of religion.

Jah people would vote against it too.

Sorry, but the UN has to be objective here. If we created a 'Jewish State' we'd have to create a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc etc state . . . plus this parallels the creation of Israel in the real world and I don't think parallels are allowed

I think that a jewish state is a great idea. this could end with many major and minor problems that have emerged during decades. it is a great initiative of the UN. But the effects of the existence of such state must not be forgotten.

1.- A state that is defined by religious tendency might have influence on other countries. Example: If there is a minority of zoroastric people in my state and they have power, (economical), they could try to impulse initiatives of the goverment to adopt favorable politics for the zoroastric state.

2.- Such state, like almost every other, will have religious minorities. being a state whose existence was favored by the UN, will have to behave responsibly with its minoritties, because the UN will be engaged with this country on the way the religious minorities are treated.

Right now, I'm not realyy into writting a lot but I think that 1 and 2 are pretty entertaining.

Regards,

Mr. Keyato

from The Holy Empire of rasec Keyato

Hi, I'm John Marat! Some UN members may remember me from my days as UN spokesperson for Albion Soviets, before they tried to have me ejected into outer space. I saw a lot of colourful auras here and I wanted to share in teh glow, okay?

Now unfortunately I can't be a UN member as that would make it easier for Albion Soviets to track me down but may I just say that I think that on principle, its a bad idea. I believe its a bad idea because it legitimises what the anti semties of one kind or another have been saying all along, that jews can't intergrate, that they're different, that we need to expell them. And that denigrates the struggle that jews have made to be part of wider society. What I say to the jewish people is that they should fight to be recognised and treated as equals in every nation that they live in, that those nations are their nations too. That's a tough struggle, but I do not accept for a moment that the oppression of jews is inevetable and that they need an enclave to hide in. I say we fight for intergration in every land on nation states!

I just wanted to say that because you know, its not really in the UN's remit to grant special 'recognition' to states and it shouldn't be, particularly when its a state founded on ethnic exculsivity. And I think we should refuse to do so on basic principle, not on techincal matters.

But then, since the good doctors gave me my happy candy, I've been seeing the world in a whole new wonderful way.

So who would like a group hug? I know I would.

You've been so very wonderful, I've been John Marat. Hey! Hey! Thank you so, so so much, for listening.

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