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Whereas, the United Nations is intended to govern international relations and promote human rights, environmental protection, and social justice among member states and their citizens,

Whereas, the jurisdiction of the United Nations may not interfere with the sovereignty of its member states,

Whereas, the following resolutions interfere with state sovereignty for reasons as followed:

“Fight The Axis of Evil” – Military size, style, funding, etc. is purely a state matter until mobilized against another state

“Scientific Freedom” – State governments reserve the right to limit scientific research based on morality, ethics, etc.

“Sexual Freedom” and “Gay Rights” – the cause of homosexuality has yet to be explained beyond any reasonable doubt, it cannot therefore fall under the umbrella of human rights and state governments reserve the right to deal with it in whatever way they decide within reason

“Citizen Rule Required” – The structure and form of government is purely a state matter, between the government and its citizens

“Keep The World Disease Free” – A state may determine the level of social welfare it chooses to provide

“Protect Historical Sites” – The decision of whether or not to preserve historical sites belongs solely to the state in which the site is located

“Free Education” and “Education for All” – The level of education, and its availability are decisions to be made by the state

“Legalize Prostitution” and “Legalize Euthanasia” – Different cultures, and therefore different states, view such things differently, and as they are social issues and not guaranteed human rights are left to the jurisdiction of the member states,

Be it resolved, the preceding resolutions shall no longer be enforced, and state sovereignty be preserved

Hint hint: Read and obey the "Before you make a proposal" sticky if you want to last more than one or two proposals. Submitting proposals to repeal isn't going to do you much good. The mods have started a bit of a harder crackdown on rules violators in recent times; can't say I blame them.

Yes... Too many poorly written resolutions are voted on because of their "feel good" titles and style. As I have stated on another thread... If you were to write a resolution with the purpose of cutting down all rain forests under the title of "Keep homeless children warm in the winter"... it would pass :?

There was a resolution not too long ago that outlaws subliminal messages in advertising. Being a UN member dictates that all nations must now make committees to judge all advertising so as to determine whether or not they are subliminal. Over reaching authority of the UN ? You betcha.

As much as we (the sane and mature) try and urge them (the irrational and immature) to read the resolutions thougholy and think of the possible legal ramifications.... demands are met on deaf (non thread reading) ears

Ugh...fair enough, but there has to be something we can do. Are there really that many people on this game who are too ignorant as to know the limits of intergovernmental organizations? I guess the only other idea I have would be to propose a resolution somehow defining the limits and powers of the United Nations, but that would be much more diffucult. Either way, who in their right mind thinks that the United Nations has anything to do with gay rights or subliminal advertising or legalizing prostitution? Seriously...the scariest part of this whole situation is that sooner or later these people will be voting...then again, they're probably the same geniuses who say they're hardcore political activists, but couldn't tell you who Paul Wolfowitz or George Tenet are (trust me...I go to the University of Iowa...I'm surrounded by these morons). Well, it appears that much like in the real world, the United Nations is useless...

Frankly, I don't see your problem...

Fact 1: You join the UN voluntarily

Fact 2: You have to follow the guidelines and rules which the UN set up

Fact 3: The UN’s job is to make a “better world for all mankind”

Fact 4: The definition what is a “better world for all mankind” is decided democratically through voting

Fact 5: After defining what is a “better world for all mankind” is, the UN set up a couple of rules/guidelines everyone has to follow (See Fact 2)

Fact 6: If you have joined the UN and don’t like a proposition for a rule and don’t think this proposition will make a “better world for all mankind”. Do your duty and vote against it

Fact 7: If a proposition passes that you don’t like, you have three choices: Either you can accept it, protest against it (and you will probably be ignored since the majority has voted FOR this proposition) or you can just leave the UN

My own personal opinion: If you don’t believe that making rules and making sure that they’re followed make a better world, then you don’t belong in the UN.
BUT I think some of you issues have some points. But maybe not for the reasons you mentioned:

“Fight The Axis of Evil” – Military size, style, funding, etc. is purely a state matter until mobilized against another state

If I remember correctly this rule was passed with just two votes on “yes” out of 3 people!. Which makes this result highly undemocratic because of the few votes. My opinion is that we should re-vote this issue.


“Protect Historical Sites” – The decision of whether or not to preserve historical sites belongs solely to the state in which the site is located

I agree with you on this to some extent. My opinion is that a country should be able to seek a permit from the UN if they want to remove a historic site. Because sometime a historical site is such a important source to human history that it would be a great loss to science and mankind if that historical site was destroyed or removed.

If you were to write a resolution with the purpose of cutting down all rain forests under the title of "Keep homeless children warm in the winter"... it would pass :?


You know, it probably would pass. It's so sad.

Whereas, the United Nations is intended to govern international relations and promote human rights, environmental protection, and social justice among member states and their citizens,

Actually, it can do more, a full list to be found if you go to the submit a proposal stage and see the categories available. In general its more "To make the world a better place" and I also recall referance to "Forcing your agenda on others" and may I say they seem perfectly acceptable real life politic , :wink: ?

Whereas, the jurisdiction of the United Nations may not interfere with the sovereignty of its member states,

Ha ha ha ! :lol: ... :? Oh, your serious. Sorry, :oops:

Whereas, the following resolutions interfere with state sovereignty for reasons as followed:

My amazing powers dictate this will be a big post ... :wink:

“Fight The Axis of Evil” – Military size, style, funding, etc. is purely a state matter until mobilized against another state.

Nope, also fights terrorism, and was actually (Though it seems many know this not,) a test proposal made a day I think before this "universe" first "existed in time". Max Barry made it to make sure all the mechanics of putting in, voting on to get to quorum and voting on the general assembly floor, a proposal worked out okay. I think thats roughly how the story goes.

“Scientific Freedom” – State governments reserve the right to limit scientific research based on morality, ethics, etc.

But why should morals/ethics effect science? Really, because they are subjective to view point of the individual and whats wrong with learning, its when that knowledge is "mis-used" its a problem. State governments also know that if they are U.N. members they must take'eth part under all past laws. I think, there is actually a point of law/game mechanics intersecting I must query Enodia on ... But thats how it stands now I think.

“Sexual Freedom” and “Gay Rights” – the cause of homosexuality has yet to be explained beyond any reasonable doubt, it cannot therefore fall under the umbrella of human rights and state governments reserve the right to deal with it in whatever way they decide within reason

Its exactly because we cannot define the origin of sexuality either way that it is important to realise it is the individuals right, and a fundamental one I think, that they may decide to and live as what ever sexuality they wish without pressure direct or indirect they should live as they feel they are, not be restrained by the narrow minded "morality" of the vocal. So yeah, I think its pretty much a human right.

And I would not knock the Freedom of Sexuality act personally, you may be an exhibitionist, but I do not want the police barging down the door to nick me for getting jiggy with it with a consenting partner of over the legal minimum age. :wink:

“Citizen Rule Required” – The structure and form of government is purely a state matter, between the government and its citizens.

Ah, but an actual part of the U.N.'s intent is the furtherment of democracy, and this kind of thing could lead to blessed "Virtual Democracy" but thats another story, My point being this was a perfectly valid thus legal resolution.

“Keep The World Disease Free” – A state may determine the level of social welfare it chooses to provide.

Ah, but the U.N. may also decide basic levels. As it did. :wink:

“Protect Historical Sites” – The decision of whether or not to preserve historical sites belongs solely to the state in which the site is located

The presolutuon does not state it any differently. Probably because its frighteningly vague that it could be completely ignored.

“Free Education” and “Education for All” – The level of education, and its availability are decisions to be made by the state

Nope, now there is law for it. :wink: And is the right to learn with equality not important and transcendant of national concerns?

“Legalize Prostitution” and “Legalize Euthanasia” – Different cultures, and therefore different states, view such things differently, and as they are social issues and not guaranteed human rights are left to the jurisdiction of the member states,

True these were probably best left (In the case of euthanaisa) as or made into (In the case of prostitution) N.S. issues. But (shrugs) its case now of "whats done is done".

Be it resolved, the preceding resolutions shall no longer be enforced, and state sovereignty be preserved

This is where, metaphorically, we here a gun-shot, the whump of a body hitting the dirt, and Enodia chambering another round. And I would have to say I'd agree, as it stands. But thats just me. I am sure such a proposal as this would get much support.

(Because of the freeking sheep)

- The Rep of Komokom, RMoS :wink:

I agree that some of the resolutions are intrusive.

I really don't mind the following because...
Fight Axis of Evil: no definition is given. Terrorists to invading armies of NON-UN members fall in this catagory. And I am all for protecting my citizens.

Scientific Freedoms: Again no definition is given. I see this as a way to keep nationstates from falling behind and becoming Stone-age in a Matter/Anti-Matter world.

Keep the world Disease free: While difficult to impossible to achieve, it will help prevent the outbreak of many diseases.

Protect Historical Sites: One quote - "Those who fail to learn History are doomed to repeat it... Those who fail to learn History well are just doomed."

Free Education/Education for all: Knowledge is power... and besides, it does not state what excactly one has to teach the children nor the quality of that education (remember, most people get what they pay for.)


now the following I feel infring on a nation's right to rule their people.

Gay rights/Sexual Freedom: That is up to the nations. There are Religions that still ban these.

Citizen Rule Required: So the UN is a Pro Democracy club eh? Then why isn't there one for the rest of the different types of Government. Because the UN is not suppose to favor one type over the other... only that peace is maintained between member nations. To prevent another World War.

Legalize Prostitution/euthanasia: These are National Issues... thus voting on them here and having them here is redundant.

Oh and for the repeal/change prohibition... I'm working on a solution with the moderators... perhaps something everyone can be kinda happy with.

Won't give any hints untill they (mods) say it's ok to.

Oh and for the repeal/change prohibition... I'm working on a solution with the moderators... perhaps something everyone can be kinda happy with.

Won't give any hints untill they (mods) say it's ok to.

Really, Ichi Ni, could you possibly telegram me your theory, even if the moderators say no, as it could be a boon to some of my grand unification proposals, amoung other things ... :wink:

(Needless to say I offer confidentiality on your idea until you publicly disclose it, to be organised via telegram if you telegram me saying you will disclose to me (not exclusively naturally) blah blah blah, its just I am really interested in this, as I've accessed some recent stimuli that gets my thinking box in gear, and your intlligent contribution would be greatly appreciated.)

- The Rep of Komokom. RMoS.

I wonder what the idea is myself.

Unfortunatly, I kinda promised the mods not to say anything untill they talked it over.

If they do say no, that's a totally different story.

by the way, it's so simple I'm surprised no one thought of it before.

Geee, thanks Ichi Ni, we all feel so good that its so simple, and we don't get it yet, sheeesh. :wink:

- The Rep of Komokom, RMoS.